OldSkool

2008 was the last time they published the info and have since stopped. The right thing to do for a 501c3 is to publish their balance sheets so people can see how donations are being spent. It seems the Arizona filings slipped by them. Anyone wanna bet wayGB dimed out good ole Grease Spot Cafe for publishing them?

You have jarred my memory. All of the class activity is a bit confusing during those years. I became involved in 1996 and took the first round of classes for the new WAP series. My first advanced class was in 1998 and was the first round of classes for the new AC. I remember now when Martindale was filming the AC because there were live STS teachings on the field for several Sundays while he filmed. I understand the confusion now between me and Twinky. The advanced class that was tweaked in 92 was not referred to as Wierwille's class but Martindale's. Ever get the feeling these cult leaders are a bit wacko??

They had $54 million in 2008, according to the last public balance sheet from the state of Arizona.

I though Joe Rogan did that?

well, they have hosed themselves anyway. Between Craig's mass purges and Rosie/Donna's no debt policies, etc., they are withering away.

Yep! There are still way corps at HQ who will happily do this sort of thing. I mean, after all, "Why wouldn't you want to attend the noon meal?"

During Craig's reign of terror it was. The lawyers made Rosie make it non-mandatory.

No, they are too self important to get it.

I wanted to post this information, as I am quite disgusted by it and feel it needs to be covered again. Craig Martindale had sex with many in-residence way corps girls (married and unmarried) at camp gunnison in cabin 12. He had J@que H0rn3y arrange the rendezvous for him and from there he worked his seduction. He hurt a lot of people in the process of satisfying his ungodly lusts. Many of his victims did not handle the aftermath well and were given the bums rush out of the way corps program. Many husbands left their cheating wives in the middle of the night leaving behind broken homes in the process. To make matters worse, Craig ran their names in the dirt after they left at way corps meetings, lunchtime sharings, etc. Whether they were kicked out or left on their own, he had no mercy on those he victimized. These were good people who were willing to commit the rest of their lives in Christian service by going into the way corps and they were victimized by a sexual predator who called himself the man of God for out day and time. I understand by the time Rosalie finally got rid of Craig he still did not see anything wrong with what he did. Looks like Victor Paul Wierwille utterly ruined Martindale. Rosalie has worked very hard to cover up what Craig did. For the sake of the victims, this needs to be out in the public eye. Not that it will heal them, but they deserve a voice. There is nothing Rosalie can do that makes this right since she had to have been complicit in his affairs. Outing Craig and covering his sins is not acceptable. The way international is, and always has been a corrupt organization led by corrupt people.

When I was at HQ, the cabinet were on a rotating schedule to handle lunch. Week from week it was the same mind numbing stuff. Recap of the boring a$$ sunday teaching dis-service, various department coordinators and cabinet giving work related announcements, and of course Rosie sitting at the head table waiting for the lunchtime emcee to make the slightest mistake so she could pounce on the poor slob. I hated going to lunch. Not to mention the food sucked due to budget cuts from the mid nineties.

Thanks!! And I guess the acorn doesn't fall far from the oak.

Yep! Martindale became a ready-made villain, patsy, scape goat kinda guy. Rosalie has cleaned up Wierwille's image using his former public persona as the buy in point. A lot of the old timers are happy to jump on the bandwagon because their nostalgia for the good old days gives Rosalie easy sway. New people (and few there are) are fed the whitewashed image of Wierwille and given the usual sales pitches. Really, unlike Martindale, Wierwille's deceptions have never been publicly acknowledged by HQ. They are hidden behind the veil of confidentiality that still exists at HQ and accounted as attacks by the adversary, rumor, etc. With headquarters having no choice but to deal with Martindale's affairs being exposed, resurrecting Wierwille's image was about all they could do. Of course there are the remaining followers who know what type of man Wierwille really was and what else can be said of them? They have allowed themselves to become jaded, excusing a serial sexual predator, plagiarist because insert reason here" She has presented Wierwille as a great man of God who has left us an abundant store house of truth that we are to steward, all the while heralding forth the greatness of da verd! <_<

Craig proved how fast direction could be changed. That's a line of BS. She is deliberately slow on everything and horribly inept at managing anything. And she still has not been able to stop hemorrhaging followers and few there are.

The bureaucracy at hq is so thick it takes director approval for interior design to move pictures around in the various hallways.

Yep, and one that cannot separate itself from VPW and his tarnished image. No matter how hard they try to scrub it clean.

That is a trip.

No doubt that is part of the equation. But my last 8 years in TWI were spent at HQ witnessing Rosalie deify Wierwille and erase Martindale. The difference between the two of them? Martindale got caught and Wierwille never did, even though it's common knowledge around HQ that he was an adulterer who taught Martindale. Heck, his own granddaughter told me the "rumors" were true. There is no doubt in my mind that Rosie and the gang are doing all they can to suppress the truth about Wierwille and present to the public the image he created for himself and hid behind.

Yep!!! Happened to me and the Mrs. first hand and is one of the main reasons we left TWI - their formulas and dogmas DO NOT WORK of themselves like they promise. It's presented as when the person giving and the person receiving are all in alignment with God then it happens. So so many conditions must be fulfilled according to TWI and the BAM! Jesus never operated that way in the gospels. Even the record of the father who did not believe was handled so easily and them his child was healed at that moment. God does not place onerous conditions on people that are impossible to fulfill.

Modern day HQ is real proud of the bureaucracy. They fancy themselves a legitimate 501c3 non profit that is the best run in the world. There are folks who have been there for years and years who have completely lost touch with what real life is like in modern day society. Funny thing is many of these people were around first hand for Wierwille's abuses as well as Craig. They are desensitized to think it's ok to be abused because they stand for God and he will work it all out in the long run. I mean, afterall, even David sinned. And let's not forget Samuel and the sons of Eli. All of the multi layered departments and sections at HQ are an exercise in futility. Most of them serve to belabor rather simple tasks with 5 layers of approvals. And at each level of responsibility comes a new security clearance, so to speak. The closer you get to the board of Dummies, Rosalie, Donna, etc. The more their hypocrisy becomes obvious. Still the same ole thing, ready to strain a gnat and swallow a camel just like Wierwille. They have followed their man of God and use his system to carry out the same type of abuses, except with a kinder, gentler, sugary sweet little ole blue hair running things with her significant other at her side.

What is about "research" ministries that seem to produce this sort of egotistical behavior? Perhaps the scripture is true where God states "Knowledge puffeth up." Of course when I mentioned this to JAL he quickly let me know that I was taking it out of context. Oh well. I'll keep the plans I made when I left TWI. Those plans? Stay out of the ditch from now on!

Thanks! 92-93 was pre-OldSkool

Shortly after Rosie and Donna ousted Craig they dropped a new research policy that effectively killed what little "biblical research" appeared to be taking place at HQ. Within this policy was the term proven ministry research. In other words, when it's considered proven, it's truth and truth doesn't change so there is no reason to ever question that piece of research again, it's proven. Nevermind this approach doesn't even resemble real research...anywho... Something occured to me the other night as I was thinking about all the work that has gone into making Wierwille appear like he was a great man of God who researched the bible the vast portion of his life, and that life was such a precious gift to us all, barf! It's been documented here, and elsewhere (a.k.a. John Juedes site) that Wierwille plagiarized his supposed research from several sources. Not to mention he made outrageous claims and lied on a regular basis to support his claims. Example: If he would teach others God would teach him the word like it had not been known since the 1st century Church. Yet, Wierwille's teachings can all be traced to other Christians, as Wordwolf and others have noted many times on GSC. So everything he taught had "been known" and can be traced to contemporary sources. Moving onwards... Now, over the years the way international has spent many many hours working his books through many new editions. These new editions, without fail, are just a little cleaner and a little less contradictory. So is this the main reason for proven ministry research? To clean up Wierwille's printed works and remove all the incriminating, contradictory material that was printed over the years? I mean it's real simple. Keep the basic principles Wierwille plagiarized, compare contradictory incidents and ramblings to basic principles and remove them if they don't match or are not able to be proven? mmmmmmm..... When you also consider that two of the most revealing works (The Way Living in Love, and VP and Me) were removed from publication long ago or never released it goes along was in exposing the way international for hiding the true Wierwille. Also, countless hours of Wierwille teachings - Corps Mornings, various classes, SNS recordings, etc. are NOT publicly available anymore. Now, the official party line around HQ before I left in 2008 was these old materials are not the same caliber presentation as what we release present day....gasp! You mean to tell me the greatest man of God to walk the earth since Jesus Christ fell short in his presentation of God's Word? The same man who screamed and cursed the in-residence way corps on the slightest whim left behind a legacy of materials that are substandard to what we are doing now, I mean this was "The Teacher!" His degree was in Homiletics and he couldn't present teachings that would stand the test of time?.....tsk.....tsk... Or are the old materials too revealing? Just some rambling thoughts.

The newly, unimproved whitewashed class is no better. Craig taught his version of the advanced class to complete the way of abundance and power series. And it was very long and boring, with him screaming his head off towards the beginning of the class and many, many hours of him reading old testament records with comments smattered throughout in a monotone voice. We all know scandal had him removed from office, so Rosie has various cabinet men reteach the material. It went from bad to worse. Now they are selling a POS class with other people reading a crappy syllabus at $450.00 (unless it went up) and you have to get your own hotel! Oh, and the syllabus is loaded with contradictions where Martindale would say something over here and contradict the same a few segments later. Oh, and as a testimony to how inefficient Rosie is at getting things done - reworking the advanced class syllabus and having a new panel of teachers present it has taken her.......drum roll please......12 YEARS AND COUNTING!

Pffft...Vp and his etiquette. He didn't have any problem laying his hands on other women besides his wife. Tell me, was that good or bad etiquette?