OldSkool

Guess the old geezer was right when he said "Nothing profitable happens after midnight."

No matter who he was looking at or talking to Vic and Craig both used that record to justify their unbridled anger. The way still teaches about spiritual anger and confrontation and still use this record to justify their error.

Jesus cast out spirits and kept the people, the way international has cast out the people and kept the spirits. (I dunno, sounded pithy enough to post )

Good point, so it's really anybody's guess what the other set of books may say.

Let me add this. Craig and Vicster were in charge and anyone who dared dissent was dealt with harshly. Rosie is no different, except she coats her harshness in saccharin. Now, Craig and Vic loved rambling on and on whenever they had a microphone. Rosie appears to have delegated most of the so called "teaching" to a preselected panel. Even the noon meal emcees know months in advance when their scheduled week. But she so tightly micromanages what is said that she may as well speak it herself. From the STS, AC specials, noon meal emcees, etc. all have a format and layers of control. And God forbid something rubs her the wrong way because you will know about it ASAP. So she holds the power while some boot licking stooge holds the mic. There is a legal side to this as well since she doesn't want recordings to be used as evidence against TWI in court.

Honestly, the squirrel is not as think as you drunk he is.

Keep it handy, a picture of da forehead will keep the rats and roaches at away.

They are all full of hot air.

90s

Wow, Rosalie embodies all but one attribute. She prefers to not speak publicly but a couple times a year. On the other hand, she chairs whatever meeting she is a part of so may be she does qualify. Really, she does the public a favor by not talking publicly that often.

They probably use ledger books....lol! Rosie and her love affair with computers is like being mad at the light bulb for replacing gas lamps.

Good point. I can never say that God has not taken care of me, in spite of my involvement with the way international. He has a way of making things right in the long run and that's an understatement.

Last I knew he was in Atlanta, and also a region coordinator. Really, he had one of the few successful fellowships/branches in the country, his was actually growing.

I saw the same in my peers, at least the ones who took the training seriously and applied every jot and tittle. The program scrubs individuality, critical thinking, etc., replacing them with mindless obedience. A person has to make a conscience decision to NOT be that way and find ways to stay under the radar.

Thanks! Your so right the list could go on....I brought up specifically Gunnison because it's part of the information that would have come out in the Allen lawsuit had the trial gone forward. Recently, I have had the same details I recounted in my post (and then some) confirmed by former way corps who were on staff at Gunnison when this was going on.

On a side note, shortly before I bailed, TWI circulated a document to all the fellowships that specifically stated to NOT say they were a church, or that they were having church in the home. You remember the old line we used to use about the ekklesia - the called out body of believers, the true church that meets from house to house. Well people started saying they had church in their homes and in many localities specifically calling yourself a church that meets in someones home violates applicable zoning laws. All this church business is really a comedy of errors for the way international. Were not a church, but were the true church that meets in the home Oh wait, we did amend our articles of incorporation stating that our intention is to operate exclusively as a church, etc. No, were not really a church we do bible studies in the home...

Meeting two or more of the following: Not that I care to be their advocate. The above points are used as guidelines to classify them as a church. As for their 501c3 status it's anyone's guess to what they actually do for people that could be considered charitable or a service. Personally, I think the IRS needs to investigate them to see if they really qualify.

Oh lookie: Look at Page 18 where it states: Form 990-T. All section 501©(3) organizations that file Form 990-T must make the return public, regardless of whether the organization is otherwise subject to the disclosure requirements of section 6104. For example, although churches are not required to file Form 1023 or Form 990 with the IRS, they must file the Form 990-T with the IRS to report unrelated business taxable income. Thus churches must disclose Form 990-T to the public. So of course the question is do they have unrelated business income.

Also, this goes one step further in exposing the vast gulf between what they preach and what they do. Shouldn't they say what they mean and mean what they say? They have been a church since 2007....how many followers know that? Will they now change their witnessing strategies and drop the ekklesia approach? Will the scrub their proven ministry research that slams churches?......NOPE....the hypocrisy and lies will continue.

In 1955, when they incorporated as the way inc., the emphasis was on acquiring assets such as real estate (for example.) Now they have officially called themselves a church (I think to avoid public disclosure on Form 990) and shown they will live off of previous donations used as investment capital. So who the h3ll do they actually help with donations? Besides themselves.

Crap, I lost my bet. <_<

I would like to preface this post a little. The way international has drawn negative comparisons with Churches for YEARS, and was one of victor paul wierwille's selling points for his classes and MLM ministry. Even today, the way international instructs it's followers to say the way international is not a church in the traditional sense (I.E. a building with a steeple (the way international used to call them "spiritual whorehouses")) BUT a biblical research, teaching and fellowship ministry. They further say that the true meaning of Church is "a called out body" which they get from the greek word ekklesia, which is translated Church in the Bible in various verses. So the true church, according to them is called out believers. This doctrine is enshrined in their "proven ministry research" in several publications, it's taught to way disciples, and generally pounded door to door wherever there is a way international fellowship out for an evening of community harrassment - a.k.a. witnessing. Perhaps the following is known by some and has been covered here before. Onwards... This morning I decided to see if I could get my hands on IRS Form 990 that is required of 501c3 corporations, which the way international is. Form 990 details how contributions are utilized in great detail. However, after reading the following: IRS Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations I learned that 501c3 entities that are also Churches (as opposed to religious organizations) are not required to file. So I set out to determine if the way international was a church or religious organization. Please, if you are so inclined, take the time to view the documents from the following links. Ohio secretary of State Corporation Details I read through all of the documents. There are probably many topics to work from them, but on 07/06/2007 they filed DOMESTIC/AMENDED RESTATED ARTICLES (of incorporation.) Please see the following link: DOMESTIC/AMENDED RESTATED ARTICLES 07/06/2007 From the above link, in the section titled EXHIBIT A TO AMENDED ARTICLES OF INCORPORATIONS OF THE WAY INTERNATIONAL: and My guess from the documents is they did this to avoid filing Form 990 that is now required since the 2008 tax year. But who really knows. Source: About.com Form 990 The IRS loosely defines "church" in the following document: Churches Defined Note the following: Ok, let me not flood too much information in this original post.

He always said he was here to establish. or is it... Never have time to do things right, but always have time to do things twice?