OldSkool

One can only speculate, but after he failed at getting me back in line it would seem he was given the assignment I walked away from....

He won't. RosaLIE shipped him off to Dayton, OH. (Which is poetic justice.) He is still on the board of directors but is not an officer. He will probably drop off the board shortly.

I will bet you a dollar to a dime, given your location in the country and mine, the confirmations were from two of his grandchildren and not just the same one.

I thought things would truly change once Martindale was gone. I nearly left shortly after the scandal broke and I went to HQ and found the Allen affair was just the tip of the iceberg. I really thought Rosalie was the one who would set the record straight. I had no idea she was just as rotten as her predecessors. She is too old to lure young women to the motor coach and she doesn't yell, at least not in public. But otherwise, she has managed to remove Martindale from the kingdom's records and deify Wierwille as this great man of God, which he never was. Thus the image of Wierwille is false. I can't believe I fell for any of it, quite frankly.

His granddaughter confirmed it for me.

I can verify every word posted. Hey, lurkers, these are not rumors or slander or made up stories that the adversary floated out there to discredit great men and women of God. The people who run the way international are really this evil. I am at a loss which is worse. Doing the deeds---being a serial sexual predator who told potential victims that (to paraphrase) "they were doing the man of God a special service because his needs were so great due to the spiritual pressure...yuk!" or .... spending the last 12 years hiding all of this evil. And let's not forget that Rosalie KNEW about it WHEN it was going on!!! Yep....she hid it then too. I think these things speak for themselves....yet....people still stay and support this corrupt organization by giving them 10% and more of their income?

Thanks, I really appreciate the compliments. I tried to do all I could to be upright before God while working for them. All too often I was at a crossroads - obey Rosalie or obey God. Trying to shield people in my area from Rosalie eventually placed me in her cross-hairs and I was salty enough by that time that I welcomed the fight. I never really tried to change how they did things. I simply changed things in my sphere of influence and hoped it would help others. My efforts were in vain and I was deluded to think I could change anything because eventually it will get stamped out from the top down. I am glad you guys left and especially that you did not stay on my account, though I really appreciate the sentiment. It means a lot to me since sorting out the many years I was with them leaves me with an empty bag at times.

And let's not forget Craig ran this poor deceased man's name into the GROUND afterwards. He even claimed he saved the wife's life by warning her to let this man leave without her. His reasoning was (after the fact) since this man was suicidal and suicide/murder spirits work in tandem he would have killed his wife before killing himself. Thus Craig saved her life.

And Rosalie seems to think because they don't do public character assassinations anymore (for fear of a lawsuit) everything is alright. It amazes me how it never occurs to these people the person they have sanitized and deified was a first class BUM! You can't possibly have something holy built on Wierwille. The foundation is corrupt. Yet they act as though not mentioning his countless sins and emphasizing his false persona makes everything ok. Character assassination is carried out via whisper now. Enough information is given about a former follower / leader for the imagination to run wild. The person is considered a copout, quitter, etc. And if that person was way corps then (and mind you I heard Rosie say this with my own two ears) that person's consequences will be that much worse. The beliefs are still held, no matter what lawsuits have come along that someone who leaves is leaving the only oasis of protection that God has built for his people since the first century Church. Nothing but bad will come to someone who left and they are beyond God's protection. And unless they get right and come back they will surely face God's wrath at the judgments. Let me say that I know since me and my family have left that we are the targets of many hushed libelous conversations across waydom. They can have my way international "character" and do what they will with it. My life is so much better without them that anything they could do pales in comparison to the freedom and deliverance I have attained since leaving.

Well, using my dictionary, it's a middle english word that means "A woman who procures prostitutes." Craig's victims WERE NOT prostitutes so I would think the emphasis in the context of the legal filings is the feminine of procurer...a.k.a "pimp." Procure also has the connotation of bringing something about by unscrupulous means.

See how he works.

Maybe you should give AA a try.

My experience with STFI, TLTF, and CFF were all the same. They wanted me to work for them and I was pitched soon and often. Thankfully I saw through it and disassociated myself. And I agree with WordWolf, that offshoots may not go after everyone the in the same manner. I was way corps and in top leadership at HQ (and that does not make me special in anyway except I was the bigger sucker) so I am similar to the folks running the offshoots. Except I have cast off the vestiges of the way international while they continue to keep their foundations set on victor paul wierwille instead of Christ.

And let me crystal clear on this one very important point: HE WAS DOING THIS ON ROSALIE'S BEHALF!!!!

John Rupp cornered me one morning as work was starting so we could go visit my wife at home. He tried SO freaking hard to get us in disagreement on what we were doing. I mean his intent was so obvious - DIVIDE AND CONQUER! I don't think he was expecting what he found. My wife (thankfully) was just as strong in the direction WE had chosen to better our family as me. My son was a toddler at the time and I am glad I did not linger for him to become indoctrinated and dependent on the way international for anything. He will not know about the way international until he is old enough for cult education/re-education.

Not to answer for homeboy, but his posts are very trollish. They usually are loaded with flame bait that serves to get the other posters raging at him, all the while steering the post off topic. Classic trolling techniques. Whether this person means to do this or not the effect is the same.

YEPPP!!! I found out first hand how they come after you when you question them or state what you feel you need to do for the betterment of your own life. Rosie had me harassed for months in an all out onslaught to get me back in line. When I never cracked (giving them a reason to oust me,) she heaped on a punishment assignment. Needless to say I got my family set up in our new city and immediately split!

I didn't know about these events. Thanks for posting, every time a little sunshine hits the way international / Wierwille's past it dismantles Rosie's efforts to deify the bum.

They still teach this today. I have heard Rosalie repeat on many occasions that "the ministry" owed us nothing and we owed the ministry everything. This sentiment has not gone away with time.

A few years before I left I really began to understand the one sided nature of being committed to the way international. They expected me to commit my life to them but they wouldn't lift a finger to help me in my time of need. Got a problem?....."serve more, work harder - God will bless you for it!" It's a one way street! How many way corps were disposed of like they were nothing but trash? How many women committed themselves to a lifetime of Christian service only to find themselves prey to a serial sexual predator? The rhetorical questions could go on and on with the way international's twisted past. In the Bible commitments required both parties. Doulos is a great example. The servant fulfilled his 7 years and loved the master of the house so much he committed his life to the house. In return the master of the house took care of him the rest of his life. How many times did we have the term doulos shoved down our throats with the emphasis on our commitment to the way international. Yet find me one person the way international cared for proportionate to a lifetime of Christian service.

Ya, Craig used that one quite a few times in the late 90s when referencing other denominations. He would tie in spirits of whoredoms because of all the supposed spirits behind the trinity. He was all over the trinity like white on rice. Leave it to a dirty man like him to have such nasty things to say at a "Bible teaching."

And I couldn't agree more! Thanks for your very insightful post. It shed a lot of context that I was unaware. And them filing quietly, declaring themselves a church while publicly stating they are not and knowing d@mn well they are not goes to show how sleazy they really are.

Oh, I wouldn't mind if you were. It wasn't anything you said, the way I worded things made it sound like the context of the second chance at the limb of Kentucky was when he was the way of the usa coord.

I could have worded a little better. They tried to "promote" him from branch in Indy to limb of Kentucky. Rosalie was livid by the way. A lot of people refused their assignments that year and the little blue hair did not take well to it. Either way your points stand and are accurate.

Also, they wanted him to do the limb of Kentucky and he refused. Seems he is still ....ed at Rosalie. Rosalie trashed him as well. My wife said she gave a lecture citing him as the illustration of what not to be. All the while he was in the way of the USA. Yep, anything that inconvenienced Craig was devil spirit caused. He was a real idiot. Heck, he made male workers that were in the Chalet sit down to pee because he didn't want to hear.