OldSkool

See heres the thing. wierwille's deification doens't fly outside of the way international's controlled environments. Within the walls of the way international it is considered unloving, bitter, dwelling on sin, dwelling on the negatives, David sinned, and fake accusations and fake boundaries all around the image of wierwille to keep the dead false prophet propped up. Truth is what it is...truth. The truth about wierwille cant stand the light of day because once the secrets hit the open air then the putrid stench hits eveyone's nostrils. Its taken dang near 20+ years for the way international to fully whitewash wierwiile into the image presented today by the way international. They had to scrub classes, edit and re-edit their publications, pull - edit - and re-release other classes...but without the whitewash wierwille is exposed for what he was: a drunken, plagairaising, lying false prophet who lived lavishly on people's donations. The only way wierwille can remain deified is to have a controlled cult environment where conversation can be controlled and people can be controlled and shamed away from the truth. Its a sad day when you have people who absolutely cannot see past a dead false prophet and cannot fathom life without his image as their blind guiding light.

You questions will be aswered in the class....

I mean, the way international says wierwille figured it out so we don't have to.

Thanks!!!!

So I take it you are generally unhappy and come here out of a sense of unhappiness except you still wanna elevate wierwille above Jesus Christ.

Christianity is sin focused...but wierwille followed those who said Christianity is about abundance. True Christianity is sin focused...

Typical wierwille bullying tactic...try and shame people for telling the truth. Bitterness torch = truth. I follow Christ's lead and whichever direction that takes is where I go. 50 years and your still lost.

Sad really..Mike has spent 50 years rifling through wierwilles doctrinal trash and after all that time Mike still doesn't know Jesus Christ...the focal point of the ages and the center piece of Christianity. Mike whoever has the son has the father...if u don't have the son you don't have the father...

If you don't know them it shows the deficiency of wierwilles theology. But u use his name as if u know him.

I follow Jesus Christ. He's the way to God...now ain't that simple? No false prophets needed.

Ohh...and Dr's last teaching...gotta master that too...geez I think you guys have forgotten what Dr said.....I dunno...I just dont get it...

I do want to give credit where it's due, even if I disagree with STFI on so many levels...they have gone further than wierwille and have corrected the law of believing, for example. Kudos to that. Wont kudo much else, but hey, credit where its deserved. I dont wanna be judgemental on them either...their works stand or fall to Christ not OldSkool. https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/appx/16

They offshoot guys believe that the package that vpw "assembled" is great! Nothing wrong with it at all. The problems they have with the way internatioanal aren't doctrinal and are somewhat trivial in nature at times. Of course the debt policy was front and center but they just didn't like the way the directors were doing things and wanted to do things differently. Nothing changed doctrinally with them....nothing major anyway....none of the offshoots change anything major to my knowledge.

Your correct. Because scripture never defines a super special job where God would pick a lying, womanizing, drunk, plagaraist to work for him in any capacity without complete repentance and lifestyle change first. God doesn't budge on his qualifications for leadership.

Yeah. You don't believe scripture that states hes utterly and soundly defeated and his kingdom will literally be pulled down in it's entirety and he will go to perdition. He's a defeated enemy. But you can't believe that you would rather deny scripture and marvel at weak and beggerly elements.

It was a failed attempt at humor...

Yeah...kinda presents a conundrum.

I wonder just how many attributes VPW was totally void of...but ya...God violated his own word to prop a drunken, serial adulterer, sexual predator, drunk, plagiarist. Only in fantasy land. 6If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

They were mad because I was refusing assignments that would take my son away from his nephrologists at Cincinnati Childrens which ranks #3 in the nation for nephrology. They coulda cared less and were responding with comments like well, theres doctors in your new assignment too. I did the right thing for my son's health as his care was top notch and he received a kidney from a 21 year old donor that was a 99% match on his kidney transplant. She was a stronger match than his own family members. Rupp cared so muc that he wouldnt even draw breath to utter a simple prayer. BTW - Rupp used to laugh that he wasn't a yes man but a yes ma'am.

That's the truly tragic part. My son survived and is healthy as ever today and it happened in spite of the way international and without their bs doctrines on the law of believing and all that. So my case worked out in the long run better without them. How many...and I mean how many cases similar to my scenario where someone passed away. The blame, shame, and self condemnation would be unbearable. The law of believing is a trap designed to blame the person who believed its true and when it doesn't work it's always the victims fault for not doing enough.

Right on. That was always the subtle accusation except....I did all of those things and then some. Involved the heavy reverends and all that right at the spiritual nerve center with wogfodats and mogfodats...epic fail.

John Rupp invited himself to my home one morning when I was on staff and fighting with the directors, anywho, he was there to pit me and my wife against each other and that never worked. He asked what we needed and I took my son, who had kidney disease, and I asked him to minister to him. He was around 6 months at the time. He took him from me and held him out away from his body, looked at him for a second and handed him straight back to me without so much as a prayer. And these are the people selling classes on "operating" the gift of holy spirit. They know what they teach is BS.

You were quoting T-Bone and my post really isnt aimed at anyone Chock, just quoted you for convenience sake. As for me, I heard that baby and bathwater analogy so many times from various offshoot leaders that I have basically decided that if the baby and the bathwater came from VPW or the way international then both the baby, the bathwater, and the entire tub that held them can go and Ive done just that. I think the offshoot leaders have a vested interest in keeping the baby so it can grow into another cash cow for them and they can maintain their positions as great ones amongst the flock or whatever they are these days. I still read around commentaries and such but not VPW commentaries or the way international's commentaries. The entire plant is poison.

Rationalization. Wrong is wrong...faithful in least faithful in much.