OldSkool

Come now...there's spiritual coffee..usually stretched...spiritual money goes into the horn o plenty, there's spiritual orange juice, spiritual oil, spiritual partners...you know.....spiritual commodities...where's your beeeleving....Mogadishu lo shontabananarama.

Wait...if debating with Mike on the forums is wrong because he hasnt changed in 20+ years of posting here and it clogs up the forums and all...then how in the heck is acknowlidging that he will never change inappropriate. Wait...lemme clear it up...Mike will LIKELY never get it...better?

My name isnt rocky but name calling in a passive agressive manner is highly inappropriate. But so it goes with wierwille's followers...same as wierwille...when you get called on the carpet you result to bullying tactics. So keep showing your true colors.

No, but I can have my opinion based on reading a few thousand pages of his point of view. I think his own words are factual enough to form an opinion. Yeah they are like...but we all have one.

Mike will never get it because he is stll stumbling at Christ, the rock of offence because he's rejected the real Jesus Christ in favor of an absent myth made up by a creep that wanted to sit as the head of the body so badly that he made a corporation where he could live out his delusions of granduer. Wierwille and the way international.

Teaching us to pray in like manner. Read what is written and you will have your answer. There are millions and millions of people doing God's will, why do you come off so faithless? Is this the fruit of wierwillism? All sin, sickness, and death are absolutely covered in the atoning work of Jesus Christ. What, because God chose a period of grace to give all who may come to Christ an opportunity for salvation that he is lack concerning his promises? It's covered in Christ and we have a downpayment in us of new, uncorruptable bodies in the future thus no sin, sickness, and eventually death. Again, read what is written and spend time building your faith in actual scripture.

Yes, thats exactly what it is, a lopsided, one-sided relationship where the way international ignores most all of it's fiduciary responsibilites in such matters. You can commit your entire life to the way international with little to no compensation and then put out to pasture at the slightest whim of a director. I lie not.

Man, Mike, I dont know how in the world you even come up with this stuff. I would put forth that there are millions of people doing God's will on Earth. My Lord dude...get out of wierwille land.

In a word...no. but they make exceptions in cases like Craig Martindale.

I think our points of view compliment each other in that the items I stated have a direct scriptural reference where God set boundaries in place to keep his creation preserved until the day of judgement. And yes, satans limitations are intrinisic in his being and/or/who really knows the fact that he no longer functions in his God given authority, so who really knows what it meant for lucifer to be cast to the earth. The fall of man was pretty catastrophic for Adam and Eve and us for that matter, I wouldnt think it would be much different in lucifers case. But I am not saying God place arbitrary "wierwillian" limitations on satan...that dont fly with me any longer.

So in your imaginations you have God and Satan on budgets. I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but it's a fantasy Mike. The concept doesn't exist in scripture. Boundaries yes, budgetary constraints on God because God put the devil on one? No.

But wierwille was to be surpassed by nobody. So that speaks volumes, no?

Well, he certainly imposes limitations on the devil. Remember the covenant with Noah that God would never again flood the earth? Theres the tower of Babel where the languages were confounded. Also we see in Peter that the current state of affairs is being preserved from utter destruction for the day of judgement as well as the tribulation will be shortened or all flesh would be destroyed. So, yes God limites the devil from utterly destroying his creation again. Im sure satan is limited in other ways we arent even aware of due to his fallen state and loss of "heavenly" authority. But I don't believe its as you say, nothing personal, I just tend to stick with whats written. What I see written is God is saving his creation and will seperate the wheat and tares and his utter, absolute, sovereingty is what has held all of this together from utter destruction. Does that equal a budget? Nah...satan will fill his sins to the fullest and will be recompensed according to his works.

Its interesting, and perhaps Im a bit idealistic or influenced by too many kung fu movies, but isn't the hallmark of a capable teacher is that the student eventuall surpasses the teacher?

Its interesting. On one hand it show growth not "tithe" out of fear...thats progress I guess...on the other hand...we aren't supposed to tithe at all. That was old covenant, Mosaic law. Its not compulsory and there is no longer temple/tabernacle priests to care for with our ten percent, or the need for a heave offering for the high priest because Jesus Christ is our high priest after the order of Melchisidek. What he should be saying is that giving is something to purpose in one's heart. If that purpose is ten percent then cool. Whatever a person decides then do it cheerfully because God loves a cheerful giver. I wonder if he still thinks grease spotters are posessed.

Ahhh...lo shontamonopladypus.

True dat. My opinion here, but I feel most folks derive a sense of righteousness by being correct. While being right if satisfying, true humility can happily, (or unhappily) accept being wrong and gladly learn the lessons we need.

Political Zionists typically the Talmud...evangelicals twisted scripture.

There are some who feel they can force God's hand to bring about end times events. This goes for extreme political zionists as well as extreme far right evangelicals.

YW!! No worries, youre not waffling though, its just that you are proving all things and holding fast to the good. It's what were commanded to do. There's so many doctrinal issues that Im plowing my way through and Im not solid on many of them. Peace Brother!

I disagree. There is no rapture, or rapturo in latin as rapture is transliterated from. It is misapplied from many angles and escapism is just on angle. But scripture plainly says that we will meet the Lord in the air at the last trump. Theology confuses the events to no end, and it is a mystery within God's great mystery. Behold I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed. Anywho...lemme get outta here befor I derail this thread.. https://textusreceptusbibles.com/Parallel/53002001/MAT/GNV/KJV1611 Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition, And Im beginning to belive that this is the last trumpet spoken of in 1 Corinthians 15. Revelation 10:7 But in the dayes of the voyce of the seuenth Angel, when he shall beginne to blow the trumpet, euen the mysterie of God shalbe finished, as he hath declared to his seruants the Prophets.

Good points. I think he confuses the organization with the people in it, where most Roman Catholics are honest, well meaning, principled people who do love God. The Roman Catholic Church as an organization is a different story. But they are not unique in that regard.

Yeah, same here. No matter what hes done I forgive him and seeing him in what seems to be the same state is sad.

Good observation, that seems to be the survival move of the day. Just when followers wake up to how inept and callous TWI leaders really are they come through with resurrected classes and a shopping cart full of nostalgic wierwille adulation. Seems to work.

I forwarded the video to around 20 minutes and made it through about 55 seconds. I cant. Its TWI all over again.