OldSkool

I doubt John will ever break his silence. When I knew him he was trying to get other business ventures going while on staff. MonaVie, real estate sales are two off the top of my head. Basically, he allowed himself to get institutionalized and had little to no options to make it financially without twi. I haven't talked to him in 8 years, but reported to him when I was a department coordinator and we remained friends when I was cabinet. I know some of his checkered past, but really have no ill feelings towards him. He did the best he could for me when I was being harassed by rosalie via john rupp. What he knows could no doubt sink twi. At the time I knew him he believed in TWI but didn't agree with rosalie very often. He stood his ground when he needed to, but still did as asked. I really have nothing negative to say about him, but I seldom do about anyone. I am like chockfull, I post here for my own therapy, and to tell the truth about what I was exposed to while in the way international, as boring as that may be.

Geez. This guy sounds like Martindale junior with all the expletives and "challenges" of what are u going to do with the word!?!!!! Interesting site nonetheless.

Staff life is easier now that the way international has learned they have to abide by the law or suffer being sued out of existance. Non-salaried staff at HQ had to work 46 hours, plus coerced volunteer time revolving around the sts. Basicaly, that's 40 hours of regular time and 6 hours overtime at time and a half. Most staffers may average around 10 hours a week "volunteer" time, but that can vary greatly. Twi figured out how to squeeze the most labor for the cheapest pay out of their staff. Most of their staff qualify for Medicaid based on income. It's no secret amongst prez cabinet or the directors or most way corps that when you have a field assignment you can expect to work your a$$ off. Staff still sux, but not as bad as way corps field assignments. The board of directors at the way international could care less how hard or long anyone works for them. According to twi doctrine followers should be blessed to serve and expect God to multiply their abundance while working for twi. Well, God will have to bless those who serve the way international since the board of directors have no regard for their fiduciary responsibilities towards those they employee (beyond what it takes to stay out of court).

Geez, I was born in 73. Nucking futts.

Rofl!! From stringing chairs to dishes of mints to 3x5 cards. it's crazy to me to learn where these goofy practices came from and how I was taught insignificant minutia was the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation in the household...blah blah....oh and table etiquette.

Ya gotta be clear and concerned!

So that's where the bowl of mints came from. when I was in twi we always added a bowl of mints at the lectern for any event setup.

Chock - Waydale, GSC, John Juedes, et al. have done MAJOR damage to the way international's ability, to not only recruit new blood, but retain it's existing membership base. I went way disciple twice. Countless potential new people we spoke with would have nothing to do with us after they had the chance to consult with Mr google. Many of them told me things about twi I didn't know or believe at the time. The way international warned their staff on several occasions to stay off the Internet during the lawsuits. I also received the same warning on the field before I was assigned to twi hq. I know for a fact that rosalie hates the Internet, considering it a forum for dirty communication. Thanks rosie for helping others stay away from the way international, even though you were always too out of touch to realise the effect of your ignorance. The damage is done many times over. They can't supress the truth even though they still try. Search rankings aside, the truth of the way international's sordid past is out of the bag and it's not going back in. Anyone who does due diligence on the way international, Victor Paul wierwille, lcm, rosalie fox rivenbark, etc, will find the truth. However, the document section was an invaluable resource. I thank Pawtucket, and many others who have contributed time and resources at grease spot cafe. This community served a large part in my departure from the way international.

They have buried so much history where Victor Paul wierwille basically stole others work and used it for his own means. I don't have time while at work to search, but if someone can pull up one of the old threads of the way west/east sagas it would answer so many questions.

I personally don't think Rosalie will ever step aside until her health stops her. She has spent too many years sweeping under the rug all the evil done by Victor Paul wierwille, Craig martindale, herself, donna Martindale - the list could go on. She is also an extreme micromanager. An oldie but goodie of an example is when she was department coordinator of way publications she had her staff sign in and out to use the restroom. Another example is having all the department coordinators secretly report sts attendance each Monday morning. My examples simply illustrate her desire to control even the smallest aspects of people's lives when given the chance. Oh, not to mention illegally pulling attendance at a "voluntary church service" each week. When people were flagged missing the sts rosalie had department coordinators confront their staff as to why they weren't there. I was required to "follow up" on many occasions with staffers to have them explain why they weren't there and subtly strong arm them to attend the sts. I don't know exactly how she will do it, but u can best believe she will remain in the background pulling as many puppet strings as she can.

In a word, no.

I'm not sure anyone really knows. When I was active corps, so around 2008, I knew corps on the field who were trying to figure out what to do with their "rosters." The records they had for their areas of responsibility were inflated with folks who no longer had anything to do with TWI. This was very common, so, I doubt the bod really knew/know either. Consider this information in light of being a salaried limb/branch coordinator vs non-salaried. Corp have the incentive to cook the books to stay full time, vs basically working two full time jobs - secular proffesions and their corps assignment. I think the bottom line is the numbers are dismal for active grads, and probably worse for new attendees.

Rosalie is not a leader, and neither is Jean Yves DeLisle. I know them both and they are defensive, aloof, and really disconnected from those they claim to serve. Really, wtf would they do on the field? Besides demanding those in the room to stand when they enter? Those guys are completely clueless. The sad part is they really believe they have things figured out. Vee Pee is their idol, they will spare no expense in keeping their preservation society in tact, no matter how small the followers. Leadership? Can the blind lead the blind?

When I was in twi, at hq, they were struggling with dismal attendance at the advanced class. So, they let advanced class grads attend (they had to work of course) to make the vee pee auditorium seem not so empty. I distinctly remember my conversation with John Rupp at the time, that we were preparing for an influx of God's people. He simply said "yupp" and kept driving me back to the brc. He had a dismissive look of one who not only has read the writing on the wall, but was charged with puntuation. My point. Twi is fading and no band aid will stop the hemorrhaging. I guess Gamaliel was right.

I haven't read all six pages. My time frame as corps spans Martindale for my candidate year and apprentice year, and two years in-residence under rosalie. I see the way corps as deceived and deceiving others. I see myself in the same light. to be corps you have to enforce the directives sent from leadetship, whether the directive is godly or not. Personally, I had good intentions and truly wanted to help. I felt way corps was that Avenue that would allow me to help the most. Nothing was what I expected. the program itself was dry, dull, oppressive, and boring. In-residence was the worst. Actually submitting to having structure nearly every minute of my day, and not being allowed to leave seemed like incarceration. Upon graduation I was assigned to hq. And it became my job to enforce the caste system in place at hq. Everything from bod directives, to reporting staff attendance at the sts to rosalie. My personal experience as way corps was that I had to disobey godly principle to satisfy the needs of the bod. I served the board of directors no matter how much I tried to rationalize otherwise. I told myself that rosalie and her ilk would pass on and I'd be part of the group to bring godly change. I was wrong. I can say that there were a lot of active way corps who felt the same. I'm sad to say they are wrong. other than caring for his people, The Lord has no need for a corporation started by Victor Paul wierwille. God watched over me as way corps, he watches over me now. God's Word does not return void and twi does sell the bible. it's a matter of dropping the twi dogma. my two cents anyway.

Twinky - last I knew they still had "the junk tables" on display at the advanced class. all the occult books that vee pee had read, extrapolated the truth from, etc, barfola. He had done that for us, and there was no need for us to ever read them because he was so spiritual, more barfola. I'm other sure what they do anymore, I've been out since 2008. Sorry for the multiple posts, I had trouble getting the quote button to work on my smart phone.

Oun'N'About - Glad u threw off the mental shackles and joined the community here. My advice is if posting personal info costs u your family relationships then stay anon. I lurked for years before I got out of there and started posting here. I used to be very leary that they could somehow come after me. Now I could care less. I'm W1ll Br00k$ and they all can kiss my a$$. The shackles fall off soon enough, just go slow and enjoy the process. more in a few.

I was on the presidents cabinet for a couple years. (a church with a president that comes complete with a presidents cabinet - I digress). My point is the board of dummies almost always have a cookie cutter approach to issues that arise. Many times running classes was the answer. ie, we had a president who was a sexual predator who was taught by vee pee himself. Instead of being honest with the root of the problem, Craig became the fall guy and rosalie had a class filmed - living gods word as a family. They have never addressed vee pee in this regard, hes still their patron saint. I've got more to say. standby.

Well, went through a much needed divorce, spent way too much time in various and sundry bars, basically forgot about twice for quite some time, and lately I have decided to get back to God. I'm learning to pick up the basics, and especially discard TWI garbage. I'd love to talk more via pm. it's good to be back though!

The best i know is the only reason the way international raised pay (around 1999-2000) was they were paying staffers so poorly (and illegally) on the old "need basis" scale that they had to at least bump pay to minimum wage to avoid potential legal repercussions.

That's great news on both accounts. Thanks for the update.

http://www.doc.state.co.us/oss/

TWI spends a lot of effort recruiting and then follows with just as much effort to make people leave. Genius, no?

I was counseled at HQ that my wife should have a late term abortion because health problems were detected during the ultrasound. My son is alive, well, and healthy. Goes to show how sick TWI really is.

With me, I am not an opponent of tithing, IF that's what someone wants to do. I think the word compulsory in the thread title sums up the way international's position and practices. They pretty much coerce people to give, and have a very jaded history with strong arm tactics, and shake downs via the way tree. That's the best way I know to put it.