OldSkool

Yes! Now we have worked the post back to Oldskools original intent.

This may be one of the funniest posts ive read in a while.

any analysis on plaf will be as flawed as plaf.

Mike ... My ex wife was an editor in way publications for several years. Many of vic and craigs tapes were pulled due to rants, tangents, slandrr, foul language, and just plain inaccuricies in the presentations. Thats why Rosie set the current teaching format and controls in plcace- so the teachings would stand the test of times. Thats also why there are so many revisions for remaining written publications. Error and styling issues were rampant with earlier versions. Now what does that say for Plaf?

Yep....that absent Christ is garble straight from anti christ

No wonder TWI pulled a lot of vp teachings and such. The double talk is mind numbing, or maybe the drambuie numbed vics mind. Mike, u have elevated vp schtik above scripture. U probably should look into that.

Its quite clear. Guess ur not getting the reaction ya wanted?

Gotta say!! Ive definately enjoyed Mikes pontificating on plaf being added to the bible and it ushering in Christs return for his church...entertaining as all get out.

Well, hopefully the rapture happens soon so this thread will end....lol

Hopefully im mark n avoid....lol

Im sure they all held hands n sang kum by ya.

Why not? You never know what was revealed to vic by his dog while smashing a bottle of Drambouie.

Nobody said anyone is a stupid dolt. I wouldnt call PFAL garbage. The problem with way ministry publications is the pedestal they are placed by you, twi, et al. I dunno, caveat emptor about sums up my point of view on the matter. Really the evil that was perpetrated by Wierwille and his posse really is simple in concept. The problem comes in with the perpetual cover up, especially the deception caused on those that are seeking a better relationship with God. I never got involved with the way expecting anything other than a godly principle based ministry. While godly principle is lived by many people involved with twi, the top leadership is still morally corrupt in the massive coverup they are still working on. So in essence, wierwilles fraud lives on posthumously.

Mike - my words and attitudes do not portray anyone as a simpleton in any way, harshly or otherwise. Especially this anonymous group of grads you claim to represent. So it sounds like your motives for posting here are to prove a point to some lurkers who feel they cant defend themselves on an internet forum. As for lucid and constant argument i would say your arguments are not constantly lucid. As for critiscism and counter argument. I locked horns with the board of directors for close to a year and a half in what panned out to me having to do what was necessary to extricate my family from this cult. Ive endured more than my fair share of critiscism and argument, probably enough for both of us. U say u want to face off with TWI leaders in writing...thats cool. Ive done it face to face, on many occasions. You know what i encountered? One manipulation tactic after another. They even tried to pit me and my wife against each other. They sought any angle to get something they could accuse me with. Im not sure you would have found my experiences fun. Please try writing the bod, but know up front they'd never write back. Cheers!

Well, Mike, ill read along but endeavor to bow out. Your really not making a whole lot of sense at this point. VPW taught that God commited himself to his Word and cannot violate it. But you claum God chose a drunken sexual predator likeVPW to usher in new scripture, new God breathed Word in the form of PLAF. I guess the bible is complete now. Maybe your just trolling for the fun of it...who knows.

Right, like wearing a pair of these....lol

I guess God ignored his own Word. 1 Timothy 3 lays out qualifications for church leadership. Paul quit the sins he was commiting in persecuting the church. VPW never quit, never admitted his crimes, did all he could to hide his sins. Paul dedicated his life, open and honest before God and men. He admitted his crimes as persecutor of the church and quit his previous sins. Do you realize the double standards/talk u have to utilize to make ypur arguments? Easy for me to recognize it because i used to think the same way.

Sure good things happened, Gods Word doesn't return void. A lot of good people were involved that protected others from what wad happening behind the scenes. Howeve, many people were abused, ABS spent on personal use by the trustee household, some thrown out in midfle of the night - defamed and slandered with outright lies, some threatened, etc. But lets not forget the cherry on the cake. VPW was a sexual predator who twisted God's Word to fulfill his own lusts. A creepy old guy preying on very young women and married women. VPW taught Martindale the same tricks and made him three times the child of hell, figuratively speaking. There are clear qualifications for a minister, qualifications that VPW included in his books and totally ignored in his own walk. The guy was corrupt. These arent unfounded accusations. His own grandchildren have told me a lot more than i post here. Many of the abused post here. GSC tells the other side of the story, the side twi wants covered up.

Well, according to some good ole' waybrained logic, we should overlook all the evil he did while pretending to be the MOGFODAT. Since God commissioned him we should overlook all the obvious wrongs he comitted, you know, like....plagiarism, sexual predator, etc. Overlook or rationalize or ignore or blah.

And from the ashes arose PLAF The Wonder Class.

Yep. From Waydale to GSC the damage is done and the truth revealed. I lurked here for years before joining the community. GSC opened my eyes to so many issues the way international does not want revealed.

This is right on the money. Whats worse the way international considers wierwilles books (at least the ones they approve of and still sell) proven ministry research, and thus above question and error free. They place his books on par with the Bible. Right from the first fellowship a person's indoctrination begins. By the time i graduated into the way corps i had a good plate if scrsmbled way brain with cheese. His stolen material may have some really good content. However, his stolen material is most iften twisted to conform to all things vpw.

Thank u so much for the encouragement and kind words!

Yeah....way productions has been really bad for years now.

I know. Im so far past the way internationals garbage on homosexuality. And its the hypocrosy that im endeavoring to point out. I know full well what the Bible says on the matter, but when did that give license to anyone to be mean, hateful, hypocritical towards people? Anywho...not to get off topic. Cheers!