OldSkool

I think my 2 cents with twi publications, at least pfal, collatetals, and the others ive read is they need to be read like any other commentary type publications and thats considering that vpw lifted from many sources. In other words theres biblically sound concepts intertwined with opinion and error, or erroneous opinion....opiniated error too....lol The reader should beware and endeavor to seperate truth from error, hold fast to the good.

Yes. Twi still teaches that via implication using jude 1:20 as their point of departure. Its listed in the benefits and purposes of sit in their fnc class, or whereever else they have it printed, i think rhst book. Since mike thinks plaf if theopneustos, he no doubt believes that too. Except twi says we all start with the same gift of hs but you build it up by exercising your ability to sit. You get that spirit red hot by speaking in tongues like a house of fire.

The bible plainly disagrees with you and twi, vic, plaf, etc, on this matter, but ill not derail this thread any further. Later.

Yes, the alphabet, singing in tongues, silently, outloud, etc. TWI teaches that sit actually builds up the spirit within a born again believer, makes it stronger like spiritual weight lifting. They also teach that holy spirit is perfect and lacks nothing, that God gives the same measure of holy spirit to every one who is born again and that nobody's spirit is stronger than another. So how then can it be built up, made stronger by speaking in tongues? I digress...lol...

Lol....im very comfortable.

Hes trolling.

Yeah, that and it stars Martindale. Theyve purged all his works and all memory of his reign of stupidity, even though rosie herself was one of his biggest cheerleaders when he roamed twis little section of earth.

I forgot how corny that thing was. It was reauired viewing when i first got involved in 96, but now its swept so far under the rug that twi almost denies its existance.

Roflmao!!

Still on their website too. http://sowersonline.com

Ive learned it takes all kinds of double standards for cult leaders to function. Think Jesus called straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. Followers seem to have to accept the same bs too. Mikes a prime example. Hes willing to admit vic stole his work from others but grants divine permission saying God told him to steal it.

Appareantly he was playing hooky, vpw always claimed Christ was absent.

Yes. They taught in their dta class that: "The value and delusion of the counterfeit is increased by it's nearness to the likeness of the genuine."

Wait.....maybe we're not thinking deeply enough....

That was my intent T-Bone, but Mike's rebuff (again) demonstrated he considers Wierwille above the laws of the land, above whats accepted as right, and even above clear scripture on the subjects of honesty, stealing, etc. So basically, according to Mike, God has contradicted his own Word and principles in order to give revelation to vic to steal pfal, and other works. Basically, God has had to lie, which scripture plainly states he cannot do. So either Mike is in error, or God needed to warp his own nature to tell vic to steal.

Remember the peoples court? .....lol...

Not sure what orhers went through in terms of busy work, when i was in-rez there wasnt so much an emphasis on being buzy 24/7 but work/study. We spent 4 hours a day in study hall or classes, 4 hours in assigned jobs, and evenings were either fellowship, study at home, or self structure - which is a rather instutionalized way of saying time off. Mike, ive spent countless hours studying ministry publications. I even listened to many hours of sns tapes, univerisity of life, et. al. So very many times i traced vics teachings back to the source. In university of life for example the teachings on Romans are clearly lifted in part from: http://www.tftmin.org/books/just-and-the-justifier Which does a much better job on the subject matter of Romans than wierwille ever could.

At the time there were no fellowships in Manhatten, which i could never understand until now. There were smaller branches/fellowships dotted throughout the Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx but extremely small compared to the population, obviously. The guys who got me involved werent grown way kids. Just folks who had been sucked in to twi by word of mouth, like myself.

I became involved with twi in nyc. My fellowship was in Flushing and my first foundational class was in 96 in Kew Gardens. We should pm one another.

Mike, btw, u keep saying vpw knew everything by his 5 senses he could then God gave revelation. You do know there are more than 5 senses, right? Pressure Itch Temperature Pain Thirst Hunger Direction Time Muscle tension Proprioception (the ability to tell where your body parts are, relative to other body parts) Equilibrioception (the ability to keep your balance and sense body movement in terms of acceleration and directional changes) Stretch Receptors (These are found in such places as the lungs, bladder, stomach, blood vessels, and the gastrointestinal tract.) Chemoreceptors (These trigger an area of the medulla in the brain that is involved in detecting blood born hormones and drugs. Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://twentytwowords.com/humans-have-more-than-5-senses-here-they-are/&ved=0ahUKEwjXyaWTjarYAhXJkOAKHSamC4IQFggxMAE&usg=AOvVaw0XUSXtXpg2BnQCOEFJuiU- Surely, God would have showed vpw this as well. And im far from a scholar and this post danm sure is no schorlarly work, but notice how its proper to cite a source so the website is credited, oh, and the article author cited their sources. Neither me nor the site author claimed God gave the information by revelation, or we dug it up by years of research while eating only grapes. That would be lying now wouldnt it? And lying is wrong.

Oh, i understand perfectly well what they meant. I also understand what your saying. Now ask yourself if you understand anything anyone else has said. Im wondering if your not just trolling for fun at this point because much of what you explained regarding research is laughable.

Its taken me nearly 10 years to find myself after the corps and being mistreated by the directors. Please pm me if theres anything i can do or help with. Ive learned to be a listener instead of a lecturer. I wish u all the best!

Ive read it cover to cover and was sorely disappointed. I know all the directors personally and am known by them. I mean no offense to you and dont wanna sound like a jerk when i say that its you that should beware of twi, doctrinally, and especially practically. My advice is prove all things and hold fast to the good....also check that scripture about by good words and fair speeches they decieve the hearts of the simple. Here at gsc u can find a fairly accurate snapshot of twis past starting with wierwolf. Martindales reign of terror is here too. I personally witnessed the coverup and whitewashing efforts of rozilla, twis lawyers and so many more. I was at hq working several corps assignments and reported directly to two of the vice presidents during the timeframe the coverup machine went into overdrive to hide twis extremely sordid past. Rosalie is an evil woman and a deceiver who has no problem eliminating those who dare express the slightest dissent. Anywho....have fun with that book my friend, ive extricated myself from twi. Im only thankful that God's purposes are accomplished in spite of false peophets and cult leaders.

Wierwille already did the research so we dont have to. Now my comment would perhaps be laughable if it werent for the fact that they actually taught us that in residence....you know....the greatest leadership training in the world.....lol

Well, they sure claim to be doing that research! Liars. http://theway.org/topic.php?page=about&lang=en&m=1