OldSkool

I know first hand the inflated ego that comes with a "major assignment" and all the gassing up that comes with it. My head size grew exponentially the first year or so of my cabinet position and it took me purposefully recodnizing that I was egotistical and purposefully changing my direction. I was never like that but accepted the position with an ungaurded mindset to purposefully avoid that massive ego that they engender. I agree wholeheartedly: Most way corps who take on a so called major assignment are very egotistical and very attention seeking. And the way corps are definately adored as great men of God or whatever....until they go cross purposes to the board of directors...then you aren't even spoken of in public.

Im noit sure if this is still in effect since Rosalie got voted off the corn field by Vern John and Bill...but I know first hand that Rosalie would not use a computer and refused to have one in her office, so she had John L!nd3r print them out for her daily. This was a confidential practice that very few knew about, but I used to work for L!nd3r and asked what he was doing one day when I was in his office while he was compiling them. The answer was that the BOD liked to monitor grease spot for credible threats and such. As in these narcissitic twits really think that we are going to have death threats against them posted on GSC before on of us GSC possessos go do some sort of heinous crime against them. The sad truth is they are pretty much irrelevant except in their own world and people here are just telling what they know happened(s). Im not sure if Vern and the gang still do this in the same way, but suffice to say we are "officially" monitored.

It not a huge demand in terms of TWI is really starting to grow. It's a demand caused by kicking out active way corps when you already dont have that many people in the first place. They are truly clueless.

TWI is good at putting unqualified people out to the wolves and calling it letting you walk out on your believing, or growth or some such non-sense. My way disciple "training" was a joke. They sent me to Baton Rouge when I was from the east coast and have lived in NYC/LA - I could have easily gone into any big, gritty city and succeeded. But instead I went to Baton Rouge where we had lousy success except for the group that was LSU campus. This pattern continued throughout my life in TWI. Oh...your a chef? Then we need to assign you to the grounds department so you can grow....make that make sense.

Evening, Im about to hit the sack...old I guess. I'll hit you up soon. Hope all is well.

Ham!!!! Whats happening my friend?! Glad you are back.

To be clear, as far as TWI getting Biblical abortion right -- I've never really worked it in depth in over 10 years. My inclination is to agree that Biblically it's not murder. I think the issue that seems most egregious with TWI's PRACTICE based on the Bible is using it as an excuse for leadership seducing young women or another man's wife and then sending them off for an abortion to cover their tracks. Same with the practice of counseling someone to abort a baby to keep in line with the pregnancy policy. They used what seems to be Biblical truth as a license to sin, but what's new about that?

That stems back to Pressed Down upstaging ole vic onstage and being sent out to do the trash run at HQ the next day as I undestand it. You know once Vic uttered anything it became gospel. The directors call it years of accumulated wisdom. I call it doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Nephesh chai was taken out of context to give license to terminate pregnancies out of wedlock by VPW, and likely Martindale too, though I do not know that about Martindale. I can only speculate that people who were full time way corps and had a child that was against the way international's pregnancy policy were very likely counselled to terminate the pregnancy. Other's here can verify. Now, putting the past aside, it's great to biblically distinguish sould from spirit since two seperate words are used and it certainly adds a lot of understanding to the scope of scripture.

Oh, Martindale screamed vigoursly. Not sure about VPW, he was before my time.

I think that's the point skyrider was making when he stated the thread wasn't about JAL but TWI's rather sordid practice of character assasination of people who passed away. Why not move his stance on health care to another thread dedicated for that? Or does any post that could be remotely related to JAL become a public health pedestal? Obviously, there are people who realllllly want to discuss this facet of his beliefs based on the video that was posted in another thread where he was interviewed and his views ran cross purposes to the main stream medai's. Personally, I was really hoping this thread could stay on track with the OP's desires. If this has to be that platform then I will bow out as well.

Relatively speaking to grease spot cafe, which is all about the way international and it's splinter groups. Is Rosalie, Vern, Bill, John, or Angela public figures? Yeah same logic applies.

The sickening part is they used these tragic incidents for their own gain. LCM rants were probably the worst, but I have heard VPW be just as mean spirited on old corps tapes that I wasn't supposed to listen to when I was in-residence. They were full steam ahead white washing VPW so they pulled all the old tapes and such that showed his true nature from circulation and from the Gunnison library when I was in-residence. To my knowlege the only place anyone can access all the old tapes and such is from the library at HQ, which is only accessible to staff, and maybe followers at certain times such a the AC. I digress somewhat, but all of this is leading to my point. Since the Allen lawsuits they don't publicly slander any longer because their lawyers taught em that. All of the slander is kept in house at confidential meetings amongst the way corps leadership. Even the way corps meetings were dry white toast and (at least under Rosalie) and sanitized to the point of being disinfected of anything meaningful. I used to pretty much doze off during corps meetings anyway. They have no in-depth spiritual awareness and them using discerning of spirits is laughable. The directors are so insulated in a world of their own choosing that they really have no idea what's going on in the world anylonger. So, the f-ups were usually good lap dogs, like I used to be, that eventually get a strong dose of reality and wake up out of the TWI induced slumber. A true in-depth spiritual awareness, and/or truly using discerning of spirits at TWI HQ would lead one rather quickly to the exits.

Got ya. Im with it. More a little later.

I think the sharp division of viewpoints is ever present and not really caused by John, though he very likely exacerbates things due to some of the views he held. Personally, I don't think the sharp division of viewpoints is necesarily unhealthy unless it becomes adversarial due to disrespectful attitudes to those who differ. My personal opinions on John Lynn are entirely different from what you may infer. I actually do not agree with a lot of the things he did, or believed, and am more than happy to discuss any of the things he said or did as a public figure. It's a respect thing with me. As for covid mandates and implying he would still be alive if he wore a mask and got a vaccination. None of us know the gory details of his personal health issues and they are just that - his personal health issues. That part to me is distasteful and done all too often for political gain by our politicians and mass media. On the other hand, respectful discussion of his view points and advocated positions is fair game and I am more than willing to delve into any facet of what he publicly taught.

lol....could be.

Let's crack it open on another thread. Im studying dispensationalism anyway and John went to the grave believing in administrations yet dispensationalism didn't exist really before John Nelson Darby. So theres that.

Yeah, this. Just how in the heck this became a platform to push masking and vaccines is beyond me - should we blame John Lynn for being dead without a vaccine or mask? This sort of stuff makes me not even wanna post here. And I mean that with all love and respect for those who chose this thread to push those agendas - not cool.

Thanks for your words Raf. Im a bit emotional this morning after hearing the news and (for once...lol) really couldn't string the words together in an apporpriate manner to express what you said. I really liked him on a personal level but I just couln't follow him into another ministry when asked. I wish I could have done more for him on a personal level but stubbornness is a key word here. I respected him and my heart goes out to his loved ones.

As far as I know this still holds true today. Most of what is done at HQ is confidential, and they keep it secret for a really good reason. If you compare the "accumulated wisdon" and the director's practices used in running the way international to how the Bible says to behave then it becomes evident that the directors do not follow scripture in their leadership methods and how they treat people.

I've come to realize that for me at least this is what walking for God looks like. Where I used to think that the pinnacle was to know that I know that I know that I know, now I understand what it means to see through a glass darkly. None of us have it all figured out and most of us are taking a step at a time and trying to figure it out. I believe that we should always be learning more and allowing depth into what we believe and grow into those beliefs, or away from some beliefs as we mature and gain a greater understanding of God and his ways. We are supposed to be transformed, as in transforming, it's a process and a fun one at that.

Oh, no doubt - I'm sure the way international has varying shades of meaning depending on who the presenter is and if they are promoting some damn program...lol

And this is exactly how they use the salt covenant - as leverage! I actually heard Rosalie say during a cabinet meeting that way corps who had taken the salt covenant andd copped out (and quit being way corps) suffered much greater consequences because they had taken the salt covenant and broken it, which is (not quite but damn near) almost unforgivable from God's perspective. Yet the Bible tells us not to swear an oath of the type that we swore upon graduation into the way corps.

Mainly from the practices of the East India Company, et al. My illustration of doulos has a very narrow application in how I used it. Metaphorically the emphasis is one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ. This metaphorical meaning emphasizes the willingness of the one to serve the interests of another, and the corresponding fiduciary nature of the one who is being served. In this case way corps serve the interest of the b.o.d. of the way international, except the way international doesn't recipricate the commitment. It's one sided in nature. Yet the way international uses this same metaphor to lillustrate how individuals are to become sold out bond servants to the way international. Yet the way international never talks about their responsibilities to the ones who have committed themselves to the way international because they ignore that responsibility. Obviously, slavery in it's modern (and not so modern) practices is hideous and loaded with human rights abuseses. The etymology of the word slave emphasizes the many eastern european people from Slavic nations who were taken into slavery by Muslim conquerors.