OldSkool

$#i7 when did that start. When I was cabinet I was paid a low five figures and was poor enough to put my family on medicaid when mdeical mutual's lifetime max of $10,000 capped out.

That is indeed what he is saying. PFAL is God breathed, God used it to restore his word that was trashed. I have inferred that basically Mike worships Wierwille and follows his image, his idol of how he holds him in greater esteem than Jesus Christ. Paul received his epistles by revelation from Jesus Christ. Appearantly that's been trashed. So God used wierwille to restore what Jesus Christ couldn't keep together. That's what I am gathering from some of these absurd statements I was greeted with this wonderful morning...lol

Man oh man. Those two women are too much. Donna became very unpopular because of her ex-husband's reign of terror and Rosalie hid her in the background for years, yet she was running TWI hand in mfn hand with Rosalie. Now Rosalie is unpopular and they have hidden her in the background while Donna steps to the forefront. Just unbelievable. When one really begins to understand the depth of dishonesty amongst these people ... how in the heck would anyone look to them for leadership and spiritual guidance? Talk about everyone falling in the ditch.

Holy s$%$#@ I had no idea. With Donna still in play at the officer level that means Rosalie is behind the scenes like Emperor Palpatine from Starwars. So, the just shuffled the chairs on the titanic again. Wow....just wow. I actually was stupid enough to think that they REALLY fired Rosalie and the rest of the wolf pack surrounding her (Donna, Marcia, Malissa, etc).

No it isnt. Im done here Mike. I truly hope your eyes open at some point.

Hold the phone....you mean to tell me they made Donna Martindale the CEO? Btw - Skyrider: thanks for posting this new thread. Mike came over to the one I started and completely derailed it. I actually would like to discuss this current move by TWI. Here is my take....Rosalie did her most recent purge starting around 2016...ish. The board invited Vern Edwards to join. Vern, Rupp, and Greene ousted Rosalie and voted her off the board. Im not even sure she has a position at TWI any longer. So we see these guys floundering around these past 22 years since Craig was fired - he didn't leave - he was fired. So what do they do....head back to their accumulated wisdom the directors keep amongst themselves. BTW - they have been calling people who left or were kicked out and inviting them back...mixed results there but nothing significant. Rambling a bit....but one can readily see the frantic effort to grasp straws that's in play. Soooo.....they start the rock of ages for young people only, film a new PFAL class...and now what? It seems to me from what I have seen on various way facebook groups that this move will likely bring further division. Why? Because many of the old timers still worship VPW and consider the 77 plaf the word of God. What a mess...how much can a cult contimue to implode? Ohh...I almost forgot Steve L. Rosalie accused him of writing an anon letter to her with a list of grievenaces with TWI. Well, turns out that letter was written from an advanced class grad from Florida and not Steve. That didn't stop the BOD from putting Steve through a living hell. Im not sure if he left or was fired but he was done really dirty by Rosalie.

Yes...please do tell, before I completely abondon this thread to the insanity I know is coming...lol

Mike - I will leave you to your delusion. First let me say this - I don't care about VPW's sins, or anyone else's for that matter. I have forgiven all things related to TWI a long time ago. I am very objectively handling TWI's materials in relation to a sentence you isolated in PFAL, a sentence that probably was edited out long ago. I have told you from first hand knowledge how way publications works, and also told you about a very long, concerted effort to clean up all ministry publications. If you would like to think that VPW was some great man of God and was putting out God breathed writings in addition to our Bible then by all means, have at it. You would have to ignore reality to do so, but so it is with TWI.

It would appear so. One thing is for certain, when challenged in any meaningful way Mike starts moving the goal posts and employing any method he can use to avoid staring at the obvious truth. Obvious truth: When VPW said "Not all of his writings are necesarily God breathed" he was doing one of two things if not both. Including himself amongst men like Calvin, Luther, and Wesley - clearly he is not a man amongst those men. Or....or....he chose his wording carefully to bait people into thinking that some of his writings were God breathed by saying that "not all of his writings are necessarily God breathed". That must leave room for occasional God breathed writings penned by wierwille. And of course the collateral damage with such a statement is well meaning people like you are stuck looking for easter eggs and obscured meaning in his words. That's a sad place to be my friend. Kinda smacks of mystiscism where you have to understand the inner depths of some esoteric meaning to get to the real hidden truths that are buried deep inside. Perhaps you would enjoy following Kabbalah with it's Gemetria and other methods of divining hidden meanings that are reserved for the initiated.

Wheres the bottom? There was only around 8 staff in there...most all of them corps.

Dude...your setting up a straw man argument....stick to the content we were dealing with, please. When someone worked in way publications and how close they were to vp have nothing to do with anything.

The first problem we have here is "According to the Univ of Life teachings by VPW on 1 Thessalonians and 2 Thessalonians." Did you actually go back and check this statement for accuracy in any way? How does VPW know that Paul, Silas, and Timothy formed an Epistle comittee to discuss revelation that Jesus Christ gave to Paul? Is there a chapter and verse? Can we see that historically? Serious questions. Follow the logic: All scripture is God breathed, it's given to holy men of God who were moved by holy spirit. Why would Paul need to talk it over with Silas and Timothy? The Church epistles are new light. None of the information existed before it was given by Jesus Christ to various epistle authors - it was a mystery hidden in God! What would Timothy and Silas do...proovide accuracy checks somehow? She most definately did not take part of any process even remotely similar to anything we imagine Silas and Timothy did with Paul. For one we don't really know what they did besides what can be inferred from a few scriptures, the rest is conjecture. Way publications is a department where editors aren't even allowed to talk to one another during work hours. You think they are in there having lively discussions on biblical accuracy? Ha! They are treated like kids in there, heck, they had to sign in and out to go use the bathroom. It's one of the most mundane, heavily micromanaged departments around headquarters. Do you think they sit there and do developmental edits for content accuracy using the Bible or something? If anything comes up they query their supervisors in writing and they compare the points in question with other way ministry publications for accuracy. When ministry publications do not agree amongst themselves (which was often) then the issue is passed over to the research department. The research department was ONE part time person when I was there! Everything the so called research department does is subjec to approval by the directors. Do you see the glaring problem? They don't take it to scripture in any meaningful way. They ues their own proven ministry research to double check their own publications to make them all agree. The biggest cover up pulled off by the way international is editing VPS's works for the past 40 years to make them look legitimate when in fact they were a cobbed together, plagairaised mess.

You, obviously, are not familiar with how way publications works. She was there a good decade or more and 2000 was one of the years she was there. Most all of the editing they did, especially from the time of the Allen lawsuit, was to clean up the publications because the older editions were a mess. The publications contradicted each other, there were major unsubstantiated claims, and the grammer and structure of the writings were horrible. Not the work of a seasoned author, not the work of God almighty either - unless God almighty contradicts himself. Again -- THERE ARE NO EASTER EGGS. There is no hidden, secret structure to wierwilles books. Most of his materials were stolen or written by people in the research department years ago. VPW's work was extremely sloppy and it all needed a major overhaul.

Yessir! I did a loose knot article on the law of believing...for those interested... https://cloud.disroot.org/s/o2n6WBFDT3BNnSQ In a nutshell all of the power of positive thinking BS introduced into Christianity in the last couple hundred years traces back to Phineas Parkhurst Quimby, Helena Blavatsky, and other occultists who intermingled occultic practices into Christianity. Imagine that...someone mixing paganism into Christianity...who woulda thunk....suffice it to say any roads leading back to EW Kenyon are polluted with this BS.

Sir, you are delusional on this particular subject. My former wife WORKED in way publications for years as one of their lead editors. Most all of VPWs writings were cobbed together and comprised mostly of presentations he did at various points, or in the case of PFAL (and others) the material was lifted from two or more works from uncredited authors. There are no easter eggs. They are not there. I have a broad insider perspective on this topic my friend. THERE ARE NO EASTER EGGS.

And I appreciate the reminder because I really don't want to debate the merits of wierwolf, et. al.

Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not what 'Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures - they are God-breathed. It's obvious that he was trying to include himself amongst well known Christian writers/leaders. However, in no way was he saying his writings are God breathed. My inclination knowing way publications is they most likely editied that out of the newer versions of PFAL. Older editions of Wierwille's "writings" are littered with contradictions amongst themselves. Of course he plagairaised his work so cross checking his "material" for accuracy was appearantly not important to him. Way Publications has spent YEARS cleaning up his writings.

ROFLMAO! I think this about hits the nail on the head.

I don't know if they give their books away as part of the class registration any longer. Their bookstore pretty much tells the tale though. https://store.theway.org/product-category/books/page/2/

Well, I can't speak regarding this particular class because I have never, and will never take it. However, I was married to a former way publications lady. Their method of editing for their publications is not developmental editing. Think copy edit/proofreading here. They tend to make all their books agree with one another, removing VPW's various and sundry rants, redacting anything that could indicate that TWI is a cult or that could potentially land them in legal trouble. So any editing they do absolutely does not indicate a change in doctrinal direction for them. Those doctrical points are condidered proven research and are above question. As for the red drapes. Who knows if the illustration is removed but you can bet your bottom dollar that the prosperity gospel based law of believing is still sitting there as well as administrations/dispensations. Forget about the first century, dispensationalism traces back to John Nelson Darby from the 1800s and isn't found anywhere in early Church history.

One of the many problems I have with rehashed PFAL is all the self-help type verbage they use to advertise it. Well...law of believing is major error... as is administrations...etc...anywho. The life-changing truths in this class will help each student: overcome worry and fear increase in prosperity maintain health develop more harmony in the home pray effectively —and so much more! https://www.theway.org/blog/power-for-abundant-living-today/

I fall into this category. Hi and welcome to GSC. Glad to have you here!

They are really good. Happy to hear that they found success along their journey! Thanks for sharing.

Very cool, I really enjoyed that!