OldSkool

it was unintentional...I swear...lol

I checked out a few minutes of the 80th anniversary last Sunday and was surprised to see they finally seperated out directors from officers. Current Directors: Vern Edwards (doubles as President which is an officer function) John Rupp - I understand he is chairman of the board...whatever that means with the current group - wit Rosalie it put her firmly in charge...until she was voted off the island or retired or whatever she did...lol Bill Greene - Director Angela Priester - Director Current Officers: Joe Coulter - VP Dave Lippold - VP David Sewell - VP Marcia Lombardi - Secretary/Treasurer -- Marcia is Donna Martindale's sister so her presence is a direct link to Donna Martindale, Craigs ex-wife and basically Rosalie's silent partner in running TWI all those years. This move is suspect to say the least, especially knowing the directors love to play politics amongst themselves. Im not sure what Donna is doing these days -- if shes cabinet or whatever. I also walked in on Marcia and Melissa Georg3 making out on the couch in the EOB one evening when I went to my office after hours and walked on the two lovebirds. Considering TWI stance on homosexuality...yeah...anywho.

Seems that Twi has really ramped up their efforts to sell nostalgia to get their numbers back up from their dismal state...I've seen quite a few way folks on social media posting stuff like "Come on Home! If you havent been to the way come on home and see whats going on today...new and exciting things...etc.." --- Not quite verbatim but these posts are close enough in word that Im pretty sure that these are slogans coming down from the way of the usa. Their 80th anniversary was last Sunday so most likely this concept was pushed there as well.

I credit John Jeudes with being one of the major players in me finally breaking free from the way international. His works are very thorough, succint, etc. He does and excellent job.

I have an ulterioir motive for posting these as well. It is a good resource to reference the crazy stuff that wierwille said during his live presentations as well as old, un-edited/sanitized versions of his writings. With all the effort the way international has put into whitewashing vics publications and such, they really don't want people to have access to his unsanitized works, be it an old STS or U of L or whatever. They do not present the real version of VPW but their sanitized, edited version. Therefore, having public access to some of the crazy stuff he used to say and also access to plagaraized materials because they have "cleaned up" his stolen goods....anywho. L8rs.

Yeah...gotcha there. I posted it because folks ask for links to his works and such.

they should be able to get a class together any day now...lol

Not sure where to put this link so moderators please move as appropriate. The following link pulls mass wierwille recordings off youtube. Not just his but John Juedes, et. al. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wierwille+rom (to pull recordings with Romans in the title...change rom to eph for ephesianse, etc.) and another... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6JaXwIGukAFV6jHyOEooQA (this link lets you search for verses, book chapters, etc.)

Do not say that name three times...

Thanks skyrider...I was just getting all warm fuzy and nostalgic over here...not!

Not only did Paul get his gospel directly from the Lord Jesus Christ, Christ is also the one who poured out holy spirit on the day of pentecost...not bad for someone supposedly absent...lmao Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. Here's a cool link on the figure of speech "righ hand of God" https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-right-hand-of-god/ (disclaimer: I know nothing more about the author of the page I linked and do not wish to engage in a logic fallacy based argument because the author uses green shoe laces or some other off topic point..lol)

That makes sense when you look at it from a cultural point of view, especially their culture being based on the Torah where remembering God was intertwined in most everything they did. It's a cool landmark to help understand scripture as well. One of the problems as far as I can tell is it gets over played by people from TWI to support wrong doctrine. For example: God will take vengance on those who have killed innocents. The way likes to play word salad with that concept and say that God will just let the devil do the dirty work for him because God cannot commit evil - though if this concept were true God would be in tacit agreement with satan's schemes in the name of God's vengance. They completely miss the fact that God's vengance against evil doers is justified because of the offences. Plus the way international likes to gloss over the fact that Jesus Christ was innocent and was treated horribly by those he was sent to. So along the same lines Jesus Christ will take vengance on those who so horribly wronged him as well. But make no mistake - vengance is justified and God will make sure every account is settled to the fullest and he will repay people according to their works. No agency of satan needed.

Yeah...they are reaching hard back into what used to work back when ole vic co-opted the hippies to come to the rock. So much so that they are actively reaching out to ex-way corps asking if they want to come back.

Great posts Chockfull and Rocky! Rocky, this last sentence sure resonted for me. One of my former best friends went headlong into RnR after being way corps and leaving TWI for RnR. He stated over and over again to me, which I disagreed, that there was nothing wrong with the package wierwille put together - the problem was with rosalies leadership. Again, I disagree - obviously, but can relate. It wasn't until I began to truly investigate the way international's doctrines that the shades began to come off. But...like you and Chock...I have nothing bad to say about either group really. just don't know too much about them and don't wanna be involved. I simply CANNOT do a splinter group...and I tried four different groups including RnR between 2008 and 2018.

Mike - unfortunately, you have let wierwille and his extremely sloppy so called research methods define scripture for you. Where it says he is our advocate he is literally our advocate -- it's not figurative that the devil accuses the brethren day and night before our God and it's not figurative that he is our advocate, making intercession for the saints before our God in our defence. That's just one of Jesus Christ's current function in his non-absent role as God's right hand man.

https://revivalandrestoration.org/ and https://oikeos.org/ seem to be working together somehwhat from what I can tell. RnR is Ed Horney taking the lead and Oikeos is Rico Magnelli. Thats all I really know though. I did goto two RnR fellowships in Indy in 2018 I guess....basically functioned like a TWI fellowship to the letter with a less rigid vibe to it. Wasn't for me then or now.

THIS ^^^^^ It was the absent Christ garbage that blinded me to the living Christ!

I get so tired of hearing this nonsense. Answer me this....when God brings his final justice to punish satan...will it be the devil that brings the vengance?

Mike. Because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean it's ungodly.

I love learning new troubleshooting techniques....thanks!

Chockfull, T-Bone, Nathan_Jr --- Thanks for posting the links and taking the time get me in a few new directions!!! I really appreciate it! Ill take the time and check the links and see where it all goes!

Im interested in hearing what youve studied. In the past few years Ive been reading a lot on the Bible's history. And it is a collection of writings that spans several thousand years by multiple authors from multiple countries. So this is me continuing to peel away my old fundie points of views. Im happy if you PM me if you feel it's out of context, start a thread in doctirnal, etc. And no, Im not trying to pick some sort of Biblical argument with you - not my style. Just continuing my quest and would love to learn some of what you have looked into. Thanks!

I wish I had enough sense to stay on the sidelines...

And that's exactly how I used to be...so I can empathize with Mike. He probably feels he has thrown all these devil possessed people into spiritual discomfiture with what he's saying. I was way disciple twice and I was the same in my reasoning...just not as deluded. Had I kept drinking the pflap Kool aid though...yeah. I had to learn critical thinking skills after my exit from tei in 2008.

Yo...Mike...u gonna answer?