OldSkool

Just didnt want this to get buried there Mike.

Figures it would come from Howard. The guy who has his own house at TWI, affectionately called the Allen home. TWI probably owns it and he will live there until his last breath in relative ease and comfort. Thats an awful thing for someone to say, especially considering the employer/employee relationship, fidicuary responsibilities of an employer, etc. I can say that the way international has made some strides in the right direction, and maybe more strides than I am aware of. They have a 401k for staffers now and of course it's tilted to benefit the longest standing staff still there. Thats proper though, they put in the time then TWI should cover them. They have insurance for staffers as well. When the allen lawsuit hit they scrambled their butts off to appear legitimate and so they scraped together a benefits package for staff that at the time was pretty insignificant. For example, my son's medical expenses when he was born capped out the $10,000 lifetime max on the policy with medical mutual of Ohio pretty quick. So as a staffer and cabinet I was counseled by G@ry Fr3ederick on how to get my son on medicaid. Strange we fit neatly under the poverty guidelines...so much for adundance.

Play the victim...then become the agressor....then play the victim...rinse...repeat.

We're not talking about the first century...we're talking about the way international. And no place ever in scripture are we told Christianity is a dynamic swirls of good and evil. What concord does Christ have with Belial? Sin is always reproved and condemned for what it is. That was one of the main reasons for The Torah...to identify and convict sin. Your rationalizing.

Yeah...I remember reading in the 8th church epistle that referenced the fifth gospel that christianity was good and evil dynamically swirled together like some sort of little debbie snack cake...Im sure this evil had nothing to do with fruit produced by false doctrines of devils, basic human lust and greed carried out by top leadership, adultery, intellectual theft, layers of lies, and multiple faces on those in the trustee household at the time...

my man! I can't wait to learn to sleep in tongues...ohhhh boyyy

man....dont you guys ever sleep....lol.. Rocky - don't forget the entertainment value of posting with Mike. That cannot be overlooked...lol

whew...pulling down strongholds...

Absolutely sure he is.

Morbid curiosity mostly.

Freudian slip.

True dat...Mike keeps trying to set up a straw man attack with me as the straw man instead of plainly answering the questions he so desperately avoids.

Your delusions run deeper than I thought. Every man is right in his own eyes. Really, you haven't disproved or proved much of anything to anyone else's satisfation except your own. Your ramblings about how long I was involved in TWI remind me of endless genalogies that we are supposed to avoid. Jesus Christ is no longer flesh and blood according to scripture so why would God need to hide Jesus away? Put pflap down dude...it's scrambled your judgement. Jesus Christ is no longer flesh and blood but a life giving spirit. Makes sense considering God gave holy spirit to Jesus Christ on the day of Pentecost and it was Christ that poured it out. 1 Corinthians 15:45 If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. which adds significant light to" 2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Obviously, victor paul wierwilles fleshly mind couldnt comprehend spiritual matters and still considered Jesus Christ a flesh and blood being forever more and the only thing that made sense to him was was he was physically absent. or... He understood perfectly well and purposely led people astray for his own lusts and greedy gain..

I never had the imagination either and that's coming from a guy who dosed psychadelics pretty hard in his late teens...lol All joking aside...and I havent touched psychadelics in like 30 years or so...lmao...though this thread may cause me to expironment before it's over...j/k....anywho. Man oh man. Mikey - where you at ole boy? Do you or do you not still believe this?

The Church in ruin is problematic from a scriptural standpoint (meaning wierwille probably made it up) Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Have the gates of hell prevailed against Christs's Church? I think not. Now, I understand where wierwille pulled his stuff from where Paul stated in 2 Timothy 1:15 that all Asia Minor had turned against him, and in context it was likely because he was incarcerated. While, this indicates Paul's difficulties at the time due to his arrest and corresponding fallout, it in no way indicates the Church was in ruin as victor paul wierwille and Craiggers like to say it was/is. IMO - this psychologically manipulative song and dance just gives a fake buy in point where people can get pumped up thinking they are of "the faithful remnant"...my 2 cents anyways.

Cause I don't bite when folks are trolling.

It was never really intended to morph into what it has. Mike has taken us all over h3lls half acre...I was skating on thin ice putting it here in the first place.

yep...usually has a misquote of: Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. The concept is taken from a self help author, James Allen, who takes the verse completely out of context and changes the immediate meaning from third person where "the host of the dinner you are invited thinks in his heart so is he...." not first person where it means as you the reader think in your heart so you will become. I answered very terse on purpose, as you noted, my man Mike is sure wanting to derail this tread tf off topic.

You and Nathan_Jr make some really good points. The funny thing with the way international is they seem to relish their corporate status. It's like it gives them some kind of real world legitimacy or something...

Most definately not.

Says the guy who posting on a 12 page thread and doesn't grasp the topic.

It most definately is not and I started the thread.

How my doing?

When I was involved you had to key off the way mag or sts when u taught a fellowship. There's variation in how that's carried out but...yeah...no way international fellowship is self governing. Way corps hands all over it