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But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. I Thessalonians 5:4 I want to give some backstory to fill in the gaps of some of the history of things referred to in some key verses, and some of the upcoming events that have been discussed. The Apostle Paul prophetically speaks of the day of The Return: I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. I Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. The backstory of the phrase of the "last trump"...a series of 100 trumpet/horn sounds, or blows, on Rosh Hashanah: From http://promisestoisrael.org/jewish-culture-2/jewish-holidays/rosh-hashanah-the-feast-of-trumpets/ "The Tekiah – is a long, single blast. It was straight, plain, smooth, continuous note and it is to symbolize the expression of joy and contentment. The Shevarim – is three short blasts. A combination of three broken notes to symbolize weeping. The Truah – Extremely short blasts which are a combination of nine staccato notes in a very quick succession of short trill. This symbolizes trepidation, sorrow and sobbing." "The Tekiah Gedolah – Means “the last trump.” This one symbolizes the hope of redemption. It is a very long, final note. – In these one hundred blasts, the first of three categories are combined back and forth until there is a total of 99 sounds. Then comes the 100th, the Tekiah Gedolah, a very long-sustained note – as long as the trumpeter had breath to hold it, and this is known as “the last trump.” That will become very significant when the Messianic Implications of this particular festival are discussed." ---- The meaning of the shofar-blowing of Trumpets: From: http://promisestoisrael.org/jewish-culture-2/jewish-holidays/rosh-hashanah-the-feast-of-trumpets/ "3. The Blowing of the Shofar: The blowing of the trumpet is the only actual command in the Hebrew Scriptures as to how this feast is to be observed, but the Bible does not give any reason for it. And where the Bible fails to give a reason, the rabbis felt a need to provide one. a. In the blowing of the Shofar the Talmud gives 10 rabbinic reasons. b. There are also three main purposes for Blowing the Shofar. c. Rabbi Saadiah Gaon (882-942 CE) gives 10 reasons for the blowing of the Shofar, but only one will be mentioned because it is practiced today in rabbinic Judaism. – to introduce the ten days of penitence that comes between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement. d. The Three Meanings of the Blowing of the Trumpets: (1) First, it was a symbol of the final regathering of Israel when the Messiah comes. (2) Second, it was a symbol of the resurrection from the dead. (3) Third, on this day (Feast of Trumpets) three different books will be open in Heaven. One is called the Book of Righteousness. Those who were perfectly righteous would have their names inscribed in the Book of Life and they would live another year. The second book is called the Book of the Wicked or the Book of the Dead and those whose names are inscribed in this book would die during the year. Most people are neither totally righteous nor totally wicked, so there is a third book call the Book of the In Between. Those inscribed in the third book are given ten days to repent – the ten days between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement. (4) The Trumpet Blasts: The Tekiah – is a long, single blast. It was straight, plain, smooth, continuous note and it is to symbolize the expression of joy and contentment. The Shevarim – is three short blasts. A combination of three broken notes to symbolize weeping. The Truah – Extremely short blasts which are a combination of nine staccato notes in a very quick succession of short trill. This symbolizes trepidation, sorrow and sobbing. The Tekiah Gedolah – Means “the last trump.” This one symbolizes the hope of redemption. It is a very long, final note. – In these one hundred blasts, the first of three categories are combined back and forth until there is a total of 99 sounds. Then comes the 100th, the Tekiah Gedolah, a very long-sustained note – as long as the trumpeter had breath to hold it, and this is known as “the last trump.” That will become very significant when the Messianic Implications of this particular festival are discussed." ---- From: http://promisestoisrael.org/jewish-culture-2/jewish-holidays/rosh-hashanah-the-feast-of-trumpets/ "1. Zicharon Truah: Means “memorial of triumph” or the “shout for joy.” This phrase is found in Leviticus 23:24 and the literal meaning is “a remembrance of blowing.” The phrase shouting for you is found in Job 38:7 where all the sons of God shout for joy. Rabbinic Judaism teaches that God created the heavens and the earth on the Feast of Trumpets so it was on this occasion that the angels shouted for joy." --- It's Interesting that the Hebrew word for trumpets is actually "the blowing of Trumpets". The Hebrew words originally for Feast of Trumpets was Yom Teruah. God used trumpets when giving Moses the Law on Mt Sinai when communicating to the Children of Israel in the desert. Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. –Leviticus 23:24 ---- From: http://messianicfellowship.50webs.com/rosh1.html "The Hebrew word for "trumpets" is not actually found in Leviticus 23:24 the Hebrew "teruah" is translated blowing of trumpets. This is a memorial to commemorate a future start of the Messianic Kingdom with the return of Messiah Yeshua. Since Yom Teruah relates to the seventh new moon it shows the perfection of Yahweh's plan for salvation through Messiah Yeshua. This is also a connection between the torah and Messiah. The blowing of the shofar was the thunder that the children of Israel heard when Moses was given the law on Mt. Sinai. Exodus 20:18-20 And all the people saw the thunder, and the lightning, and the noise of the trumpet (shofar), and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed themselves, and stood afar off. And they said unto Moses, You speak with us, and we will hear: but don't let Elohim speak with us, or we will die. And Moses said to the people, Fear not: for Elohim is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, so that you don't sin. The word "trumpet" in Exodus 20:18 is the Hebrew word "shofar" (Strong's #7782). This loud shofar blast really scared the people so much so that they asked Moses to speak with Yahweh for them. Solomon was inspired to write that the fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. (Proverbs 9:10) Yeshua demonstrated this wisdom throughout his life by giving the glory to Yahweh. We must forsake evil and live like Yeshua! Sin should be the farthest thing from our mind. We are Yeshua's chosen if we live as he teaches." ---- From: https://www.itraveljerusalem.com/evt/jewish-new-year/ (Regarding the day of Feast of Trumpets/Yom Teruah/modern Jewish New Year/aka Rosh Hashanah in the city of Jerusalem.) "Like many other Jewish festivals, its customs center around the synagogue and home, where large festive meals are prepared for family and friends....On the Jewish new year many hours are spent in synagogues around the city, and the city’s shops close, creating a peaceful and tranquil atmosphere, an obvious contrast to regular days when Jerusalem bustles with activity. Walk down to the Western Wall (Kotel) to see thousands of people congregating for special prayers. You may even get to hear the shofar (ram’s horn) blown, a central part of the prayer services on Rosh Hashanah.... Rosh Hashana 2017 begins the eve (sunset) of Wednesday, September 20 and ends Friday, September 22 after sunset. Check out some of the events around town during and around the holiday…" ----- Explanation of dark moon or hidden moon, where no man knew the day or hour, new moon which starts the 2 day High Holy Day of Rosh Hashanah's period: The Feast of Trumpets-Yom Teruah-Ross Hashana is the only Jewish holiday that starts on the new moon, the 1st day of the lunar month where it is a moon that is not visible, it is also called the dark moon, the hidden moon, the concealed moon, hidden from everyone. The new moon is when it is not seen, the day no one knows the day or hour. From: http://www.elshaddaiministries.us/messages/rosh_hashanah.php "Because everyone was to celebrate the Feast of Trumpets and it always fell on the 1st day of the lunar month, based on the (physical) sighting of the new moon, it was known as the Feast where no one ever “knew the day or the hour” it would come. The Jews in Babylon and elsewhere were to keep it as well but it would take a day to get them the news so it was always kept for 2 days and was known as “one long day ”. It was to be a day symbolically hid from Satan so even he would not be sure of its arrival!" ----- Psalm 81:4 Sound the shofar to mark the new month, time of concealment of our Festival day. The dark moon was and is the marker to start the holiday of The Feast of Trumpets. The moon is concealed or hidden in darkness. This year the new moon starts in Jerusalem at 8:29am on Sept 20th, although the feast of Trumpets is a 2 day event by tradition, mainly because of the difficulty in surety of sighting the new moon, so the official day is Sept 21st. The new moon is a 2 day dark moon as well. Moon phases for this month in Jerusalem are here: https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/phases/israel/jerusalem You can see the 2 day dark moon on this graphic: https://stardate.org/nightsky/moon We have the technology now to pinpoint lunar phases, in Old Testament time, weather providing, they had to physically use their eyes to find out. You can plug in the name of the city and state you live in in the above link to see what date and hour your time zone synchronizes with the new moon in Jerusalem time, for the start of Rosh Hashana is this month. Acts 1:11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." According to the Jewish calendar The Feast of Trumpets begins on the first day of the 7th month, Tishrei, the first day of the lunar cycle, the new moon, the dark hidden moon, which also corresponds to the anniversary of the Jewish date of the creation of Adam and Eve, coincidentally. For more on this subject of the new moon a great article, "Defining the New Moon" is here: http://watchfortheday.org/definingthenewmoon.html ----- Retrograde Jupiter today & Bethlehem Star/Sign of the Woman 2017/Rev 12: From: https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2127-apocalypse-now-another-great-sign-rises-in-the-heavens "On November 20, 2016, an astronomical event begins that will last nine and a half months, culminating in startling concurrence with the vision of Revelation 12. While I am not an astronomer, all my research indicates that this astronomical event, in all its particulars, is unique in the history of man. On November 20, 2016, Jupiter (the King planet) enters into the body (womb) of the constellation Virgo (the virgin). Jupiter, due its retrograde motion, will spend the next 9 ½ months within the womb of Virgo. This length of time corresponds with gestation period of a normal late-term baby. After 9 ½ months, Jupiter exits out of the womb of Virgo. Upon Jupiter’s exit (birth), on September 23, 2017, we see the constellation Virgo with the sun rise directly behind it (the woman clothed with the sun). At the feet of Virgo, we find the moon. And upon her head we find a crown of twelve stars, formed by the usual nine stars of the constellation Leo with the addition of the planets Mercury, Venus, and Mars. That is a truly remarkable and, as far as I can determine, unique series of event with a startling degree of concurrence with the vision of Revelation 12".... "So what was the Star of Bethlehem? As mentioned, I think there is a compelling case that the Star of Bethlehem was a series of astronomical events with significant symbolism. More detail can be seen at BethlehemStar.net, but I will attempt a brief summary. In 3/2 B.C., there occurred a rare triple conjunction of Jupiter (the king planet, through its retrograde motion) and Regulus (the king star). The Magi likely interpreted this rare triple conjunction as a giant neon sign in the heavens blinking KING-KING-KING. This all began at the Jewish New year and all within the constellation of Leo (the lion, a symbol of the tribe of Judah). So it heavily symbolized Jewish King from the tribe of Judah, a clear indication for those familiar with the Messiah. Further, rising right behind Leo was the constellation Virgo, with the sun and the moon at her feet. After this incredible triple conjunction, Jupiter began moving westward in the sky, eventually coming into conjunction with Venus, a planet long symbolically associated with motherhood. The conjunction of the king planet and the motherhood planet was so close, that no man alive had ever seen anything like it and together it formed the brightest object in the sky. All this symbolism of a Jewish king from Judah and a Virgin was enough to get the well-versed Magi moving to Jerusalem, but you can understand why the average citizen of Jerusalem missed it. Jupiter continued its western movement in the sky until it finally stopped. When it stopped (as seen from Jerusalem), it stopped directly south, directly over the small village of Bethlehem, on December 25 of 2 B.C. This may be easily seen with modern star programs that can show you the night sky on any date in history from any perspective. It is the advent of such computer programs that now allows us to not only look at the past, but to look at the skies of the future. Given the context of all I just described, it is when we turn our gaze to the heavens of the future that once again we are treated to heavenly signs of great symbolism." The opening verses of Revelation 12. And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. ----- The Jupiter and Venus Conjunctions The planets representing the Messiah-Jupiter/Venus-His Glory-the bright and morning star From: http://watchfortheday.org/thesign.html "While much talk of the final tetrad of 2014-2015 ensued, set at the same time were the remarkable conjunctions of Jupiter and Venus. At first the rarity of these conjunctions was not fully realized. The group of four Jupiter-Venus conjunctions that just occurred were in a unique class with the four Jupiter-Venus conjunctions before Christ’s birth. In 9,400 years of Solex data Jupiter-Venus conjunction of June 17, 2 BC was the closest and longest observable conjunction over that entire period. From AD 1900-2100 the closest observable conjunction of Jupiter-Venus was on August 27, 2016. These two groups of four Jupiter-Venus conjunctions in 3-1 BC and AD 2014-2016 both cover the same duration of time and both have two conjunctions each in Leo. With regards to 2014-2016, the nearest set of four conjunctions occurred in 1790-1792 and will occur in 2145-2147. At TheChristmasStar.org, Jim Dodge explains this and argues that out of the 9400 years of Solex data, these two groups are unique and the placement of the 2014-2016 conjunctions is no accident. As we examine them, that should become more obvious." ---- Commentary: Those are the explanative sections above, next are the surmising sections. Who can be sure they know the date? None of us, but so much points to next week. If it's God's time to raise the dead and gather His Church, then we must prepare ourselves mentally and spiritually to present ourselves to Him. From: http://watchfortheday.org/definingthenewmoon.html "September 20–Wednesday: At dawn at Giza there is the alignment of Regulus-Venus at the Christ Angle above the horizon in the east. This is the Sign of the Great Pyyramid. About two hours after this alignment, the moon will reach conjunction. September 21–Thursday: The new moon and Feast of Trumpets according to the observed calendar. This day of the concealed moon looks to be the day of our concealment and hiding. The day of the Harpazo/Rapture of the Church to the throne of God to be one complete ruling body with the Man-Child. This happens before the labor of the Tribulation. September 22–Friday: The Autumn Equinox. The potential first day without the Restrainer. All who were righteous through believing in the work of Jesus Christ are gone and the unrighteous will now be unhindered for forming what they think will be their utopia. September 23–Saturday: The Sabbath of Return. The Sign of the Woman in Revelation 12:1-2 fulfilled in heaven. The woman is pictured in pain to deliver a child. This is a sign for Israel and Israel will now be the torch bearer with the Church body gone. With the disappearance of the righteous on the Feast of Trumpets and this sign, Israel will begin their return to Jesus the Messiah. From this day it is 2,576 days to the Day of Atonement 2024 on October 12th. Counting 2,520 inclusive days from November 19, 2017 will land on October 12, 2024–the Day of Atonement. 2,550 days (1290 days from the mid-point) will come to November 11, 2024 and 2,595 days (1335 days from the mid-point) will come December 26, 2024 and Hanukkah. From September 23rd to what appears to be the beginning of the Tribulation would be 8 weeks. It was also 8 weeks from the end of the “69 weeks” of Daniel on Palm Sunday until the Conception of the Church (thanks to Scott Clarke) on Pentecost Sunday. This is the layout according to this author of the coming week of anticipation. It is understood here that many who espouse the Sign of the Woman in Revelation 12 hold to a different view on how to place the events associated with this sign. The reality is that we all have put the events within a few days of each other. Whatever happens, we will all be paying attention to each of the days and remaining alert. While this author at this time does not see how we can make it past this coming week in September, we must be prepared for whatever may come. Our faith should hold and remain firm in the clear teaching of the Bible and act accordingly. Maranatha!" ---- From: http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2127-apocalypse-now-another-great-sign-rises-in-the-heavens "The Catholic Church explicitly condemns astrology, as it does all forms of divination (CCC 2116). But signs like the Star of Bethlehem are not divination of fates ordered by the stars, but regular astronomy and symbology with the idea that the God of the universe sometimes uses His creation to communicate with man. The bible is replete with instances that make this case. Psalm 19 states: 1 …The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. 4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world… — PSALM 19:1-4 Paul directly quotes this Psalm in Romans when making the case that the Jews had knowledge that the Messiah had come. 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. 18 But I ask: Did they [the Jews] not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.” — ROMANS 10:17-18 Paul is clearly making the case that the Jews had knowledge of the Messiah because the heavens told them so. Obviously Paul is not endorsing astrology, but indicating that God can and does sometimes use the heavens to announce His plans. There is much more that can be said on the differences between astrology and understanding heavenly signs, but suffice it for now to say that looking to the heavens for confirmation and announcement of God’s plans is legitimate within the proper context and application." ---- This is speculation on my part, but I wonder if the imagery of a pregnant woman in travail of birth suddenly, with destruction and no escape, in the verse following, has anything to do with the Sign of the appearing 2 days after the Feast of Trumpets, (given the Jewish 2 day feast of trumps tradition), ushering in the travail the trials of the tribulation period of 7 years of Destruction by the Destroyer, if the Feast is to be the date of the gathering? Coincidental? Thessalonians 5:1-11 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, For you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. Perhaps this is the main reason of the linear massing of planets around Virgo-The Virgin-the bride-Israel-as a sign of what's coming to those who are left behind? Does this explain why the occurrence in Revelation 12, an end times book given to John by Christ directly to address and expose end times occurrences specifically, speaks of this constellation of the Woman clothed with the sun with the moon at her feet 12 stars at her head as a sign to Israel, et al, after we're gone? I Thessalonians 5:1-11 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, For you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. We see that all these things in the night & pre-dawn skies have been occurring for 9 1/2 months since November 20th, 2016, replete with Star of Bethlehem style retrograde motion of Jupiter in Virgo, all culminating on September23rd this year. Do you still think our God only uses signs in the skies for births? The one in Rev 12 is there for the first and only time in history forming today in the language of Heavenly math and science. Look up at night toward the east, and look at the stars aligning for Giza now one hour before sunrise, I saw them this morning and last nite. Do you still deny God is purposefully doing this? ---- So we see last trump has a special meaning of Jewish tradition and history thru the ages, yet it appears the "Last Trump", the hidden, concealed, no one knows the day or the hour explained makes sense and is not so elusive. Paul indicates it will be incorporated into an event especially for the Church of the One Body-the Gathering of the wild olive branch. An event where the city of Jerusalem shuts down and every Jewish person will be in worship and witness the blowing of horns of shofar. This shows that God set the standard for man according to His seasons and signs. His people, Israel, are still vitally involved with God's plan. We must not forget that we were the ones grafted in and allowed to share with Israel only because they rejected the Christ, but God in His great mercy will regain what was lost, their Heavenly City will come to pass, and so we are entwined with them eternally as they are the tree. The scriptures have prophecied Israel will repent during the tribulation and God will restore Israel. Perhaps the plan is to use the Gathering on this Feast day as a witness to those left behind who are the good olive tree, the Children of Israel, the purpose of the planet and the ages, to whom Christ was sent to. Still think Jewish customs and dates don't apply to us? The history of man on earth has revolved around Israel since the Garden and will continue to do so until His Holy city, Mount Zion, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven to the new earth, a home for His people. I think the word of the lord was opened, outpoured and given to this generation so we could herald it to all the world before this age ends and also to leave a body of work for those left behind who decide to believe and not succumb to the mark of the beast. It think that maybe the purpose of the astral Sign of the Woman convergence in the skies on Sept 23rd may be a sign to those left behind who will believe, as in the verses about the 5 virgins who thought about filling their lamps with oil but didn't get around to it, and discovered their error too late. For us, the day that everything seems to point to appears to be September 21st, the Feast of Trumpets, the High Holy Day Holiday. One reason why it appears this way to me is the verses by the Apostle Paul who prophetically speaks of the day of The Return: I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. ----- From:http://watchfortheday.org/thesign.html "Three days prior to the Sign of the Woman, the heavens align as mapped by the Giza Pyramid Complex. Just before the sun dawns, the star in Orion's Belt that the Great Pyramid represents is exactly at meridian. Also at this moment of time, Regulus, the King Star of Leo is at the Christ Angle above the eastern horizon. What is the Christ Angle? It is the angle of the Great Pyramid’s ascending and descending passageways. That angle applied north of east from the Great Pyramid will bisect Bethlehem. So at dawn September 20, 2017, Regulus is at the Christ Angle, but so is the Morning Star/Venus because it is in conjunction with Regulus. Coincidentally, this occurs the morning before the Feast of Trumpets. This alignment has not been found to repeat in any year through the year 2200, which puts us well beyond a generation from seeing the return of Israel. These signs of September 2017 are not alone. Planetary conjunctions similar to the time before Christ was born also occurred within the past few years and the calculations are stunning. This along with the tetrad of lunar eclipses occurring on the Festivals of the Lord in 2014-2015 produces a time like no other and we are in the middle of it with less than nine months before September 20-23, 2017. The alarms should be sounding in the many churches of the world, but are they hearing them? Are we telling them?" ---- John 3:17-21 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. -- This website has great insightful articles and archives: http://watchfortheday.org/index.html

Hey T-Bone, my pleasure, thanks for reading it and commenting, if the day is not next week, at least it's got us thinking about the possibility and maybe drawing closer to Our Father and His Son...there's one more post though :)

T-Bone I wanted to say that at one point in my end times studies I had to go to the scriptures to make sure we weren't going have to endure the tribulation, but then I read all the scriptures in the epistles that confirm the tribulation will not happen till there's a falling away first, there are an overwhelming number of scriptures in that vein. So many preach the opposite though partially confusing to whom it is addressed, Israel will endure the Tribulation but will be redeemed and accept the Messiah during that period, but we who have believed Christ now, will be in heaven. I also wanted to take the time to address "no one knows" references in scripture. Watch and be sober, be ready, is quite clear in many scriptures too. Do the scriptures really say, 'no one knows'? Let's take a more indepth look at the scriptures including the greek. From: http://watchfortheday.org/know.html "When Jesus explains the time of the end in Matthew 24 to the disciples, we have all failed to understand the intent of the passage at the time it was given. Clearly Jesus details signs that must occur at the end of the age for when he will set up his kingdom. We must remember this comes just days after Jesus presented himself as the king in the Triumphal Entry on Palm Sunday. A number of Jews were hoping Jesus would establish his kingdom right then and there. We know that did not happen, but they were still confused and did not grasp what was coming in a couple of days to fulfill Passover. Consider this famous passage of Peter who did not understand what the Christ must first do in Mark 8:31-32: And He (Jesus) began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. He spoke this word openly. Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him. Why did Peter not like this teaching? It was because Peter did not understand the two advents of Christ. Peter wanted the kingdom now, but that was not what was going to happen. Consider this passage from Acts 1:6: Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” Even before Jesus ascended to heaven it was hoped that Jesus would establish his kingdom. We must remember that the disciples were struggling to grasp the whirlwind of events of those weeks. Of course Jesus knew this. So then, let us go back between Palm Sunday and the Crucifixion in the Passion Week when Jesus takes the disciples aside as recorded in the Olivet Discourse and presents them many signs that will occur. Jesus explains all of what must happen, but then he says: But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. – Matthew 24:36 This is the verse everyone seems “to know” by saying “no one can know” when anyone discusses the nearness of Jesus’ return, but that is entirely wrong. The Greek word used for “knows” is εiδω and it is in the perfect active indicative. It should be rendered as “has seen” as in completed action up to that point. Jesus is communicating the time of the end to disciples who do not truly understand the outflow of events that are coming. Jesus is yet to be crucified, buried, raised, and ascended. Jesus explains that no one has seen the time of the end, because it is not occurring at that time. Jesus is not restoring the kingdom as they are hoping will be done. Jesus is trying to drive that point home. He is not intending the message for us in the future to not know and see what he clearly revealed. His message is to the disciples who do not understand. No disciple has seen what Jesus just explained because it is still in the future. No one has seen or is seeing it. That is Jesus’ intent of saying that sentence. He is saying those events are not happening now, but are still in the future. But of that day and hour no one has seen, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. – Matthew 24:36 And so what does Jesus say to do next? He continues and tells us to watch. Here εiδω is used again and is “has seen”. Here is Jesus command to watch in Matthew 24:42: Watch therefore, for you have not seen (or have not known) what hour your Lord is coming. So the Church begins its life ten days after Jesus ascends to Heaven and still no one had seen of that day or hour. What then is the Church to do? Watch. We watch so that we might know. Is this consistent with other passages of Scripture? Absolutely. They are in harmony. There is no conflict whatsoever. Consider these: For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. –1 Thessalonians 5:3-6 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. –Hebrews 10:24-25 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. –Revelation 3:3 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John. –Revelation 1:1 Jesus has given us Revelation and the Scriptures are clear that we watch to know. There is no excuse. It is not biblically consistent, yet it is a majority understanding that “we cannot know, so watching is really a waste of time”. Really? The Great Sign of the Woman in Revelation 12 forms in the heavens in 4 weeks! What could be more clear? The evidence is overwhelming yet the Church is largely sleeping and lost in the cares of life. Clueless. Unbelievable. However, have we not seen this before when Jesus came 2,000 years ago? People stuck in their traditions and doctrines of men? We are in crunch time and it is truly not the time be confused. God is not that author. " ----- And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch! – Mark 13:37 Jesus' ministry to Israel, the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of Heaven, all play a role in decerning passages when dealing with Gods covenant with the Jews, Old Testament prophecy regarding promises to Israel of a Heavenly abode and 2nd coming of the Savior, Israel's recognition of the Christ as Jesus, the apostles mission to the Jews after the Ascension, the second coming of Christ, and the grafting in of the Church after the rejection of the Jews. I believe plans got scrapped, doors closed, Paul said I go unto the Gentiles when Israel refused to accept the Messiah Jesus Christ. What was to be after Christ arose and what Israel hoped for was put in abeyance, to our benefit, we became plan B. ---- Another member on this forum, Sunesis, wrote a very good post explaining this transition, here is a portion of their post: "For a little background, I believe the Bible, as I've read it over the years, is essentially, a book of prophecy. It concerns a coming Redeemer (Christ), and a coming Kingdom on earth (the Kingdom - which for our purposes here, includes the New City Jerusalem which Abraham looked for - it will be part of this Kingdom). Ok, so: 1. The OT prophesies Messiah will come. 2. Gospels - Messiah arrives. His ministry is to the JEWS ONLY. This is important. He does miracles - which are signs to Israel. They show and prove that he is the prophesised Messiah. Also, here comes another important part: 3. Messiah/Jesus preaches what? He preaches to the Jews: The Kingdom is at hand, all is ready. Believe on me (note: in the OT, for the Kingdom to arrive, all Israel must turn to the Messiah and he will bring in the Kingdom). So - its here! 4. Jesus is rejected and killed by his people. 5. But, he has 12 Apostles who were commissioned to preach Jesus - to the Jew first. 6. Acts: Peter at pentecost says "repent - the Kingdom is at hand." The Apostles preaching was to Israel. Peter quotes Joel - a prophecy to Israel. If you continue to read Acts, those who believed had the Holy spirit in them. They did signs and miracles. Why? Because they were signs that the Kingdom was at hand. Signs again to Israel. They were a foretaste of what would be normal, daily life in the Kingdom walking in the power of the Holy Spirit. The 12 Apostles were like, the last call at a bar, last chance - repent, Christ is standing on the right hand of God - the Kingdom is here. He will still return if you desire it! So, Israel has had prophets, the Word, the Law, the King arrives, then finally - the Apostles. After all this they say - NO. What happens? What is God's plan for if Israel should reject their Messiah and Kingdom? Acts 28 - Paul now begins his ministry to the Gentiles. The Kingdom is not coming. To emphasize this, the Romans come destroy the Temple, Jews are scattered. A new administration begins. All of Pauls NT writings: Romans, Corinthians, Galations, I and II Thessalonians were written BEFORE Acts 28. The Kingdom and signs were still being done, in fact they were so common, Paul has to tell them in Corinthians - whoa dudes, here's how to handle them! At this point believing Gentiles are also "grafted" into Israel's hope. What was Israel's Hope? The Messiah and the Kingdom. In Acts 26 Paul still says, I preach nothing but the Hope of Israel. During Acts, Gentiles were, by grace, allowed to partake of this Hope. So, how did Paul go, from healing people, to leaving Melitius at Trophimas sick, to Timothy being sickly, to a total lack of miracles? What happened, why did they stop and he wasn't healing people anymore? Different administration - beginning in Acts 28:26, where the prophecy for the third time is cited: hearing they will not hear, seeing they will not see, etc... I go to the Gentiles. It was after the book of Acts, after Israel has rejected the final offer, in the prison Epistles (Ephesians, Colossians, Philippians, I and II Timothy, Philemon and Titus) that Paul has a revelation from God - the cherry on top. It is: God has called a people who will people heaven. In Ephesians we are told we have Power. We do not need the "signs" for Israel anymore since the prophetic clock has stopped and Christ is now building a "new man" - a "new creation." Whose home will be in the heavenlies. The believer's hope in this day and age is: Heaven. Our hope is not the earthly Kingdom - that is Israel's. Once the "days of the Gentiles" are fulfilled, in Revelation God will then deal again with Israel and Gentile - for the final time. This time Israel will all call upon the Lord." ---- For further research on Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven here's a good reference page: http://www.kjvbible.org/thekingdoms.html

I hear ya T-Bone, not to mention the Hurricanes of unusual size, Harvey, Irma, & any other pending Tropical depressions, the Mexico City earthquake, and the wholesale deception of the American public in this last election that is still leading people captive ushering in what is prophecied in Revelation. Here is a quote from Jesus Christ Himself: Revelation 3:1-6 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. I think the words for today are to watch and be ready. I'm briefly posting an excerpt of an article with a lot of heart, I'll post more later. It is a summation of sorts of what I've previously posted. The last 2 paragraphs are stellar. From: http://watchfortheday.org/thesign.html "The rarity of the signs and the linkage should bring no question to their importance. These signs will not occur again anytime soon and one is spelled out clearly in the final book of the Bible. As Jesus said, there would be signs in the heavens, and if these are not them, then what else could we possibly be looking for? In the end there are no alternatives. The Revelation 12 Sign of the Woman has been there in the text for all to read for nearly two thousand years. It is the only great sign mentioned in the Bible. That should be a big hint and a hint we all failed to see until very recently. It has been a neon flashing sign so big that it was missed in plain sight. The problem was that many saw this sign as a picture before Jesus was born, but no such alignment occurs then. It is also not an allegory of non-conclusive heavenly imagery to make Revelation colorful. It is a sign in the physical heavens and it is in just a few months. The Revelation 12 Sign occurs in the “after these things” portion of Revelation, which happens after the Church passages of Chapters 2-3 or “the things which are”. This is then a future sign physically in the heavens concerning the final time. Revelation 12 is a unique part of the Book of Revelation as it comes after the seven seals and seven trumpets with the kingdoms of the world becoming Christ’s. The end of chapter 11 describes the end of the seven-year 70th Week. Chapter 12 begins another perspective of Revelation and the Sign of the Woman lays out the overall salvation plan of God from the beginning. The Woman represents Israel whose Seed is the Messiah. The Sign of the Woman on September 23, 2017 then fits with Micah 5 where Israel is given up until the Woman gives birth again. ““But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.” Therefore He shall give them up, until the time that she who is in labor has given birth; Then the remnant of His brethren shall return to the children of Israel.” Micah 5:2-3 NKJV‬‬‬‬‬ Notice how our Lord gives up the children of Israel until she who is in labor has given birth and then the remnant of Israel returns. This giving up period is the duration of the Church and the Church has not replaced Israel. So the question then is, what is this birth? Is it merely this Sign of Revelation 12 or is the birth that of the corporate Body of Christ when the Church is transformed at the Rapture? The time we are truly born again, as blood and flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God? The child in Revelation 12:4 is taken (harpazo) to be delivered from the Dragon who brings the Antichrist. Is that not what the Rapture is about? Christ was not taken to heaven to be delivered. He gave His life for us and effectively crushed the Serpent’s head. It would seem this Sign of Revelation 12 speaks of Corporate Israel bringing forth the Corporate Body of Christ that is taken to heaven before the Nation of Israel endures the final hour. This sign in the heavens then appropriately looks to mark this transition and transformation. September 20-23 is then a great moment to pay attention. On September 20, the alignment of the Great Pyramid speaks to the coming of our wounded Savior as the Morning Star-King on the morning before the observed day for the Feast of Trumpets—the Last Trump to which Paul referred to as the time of the Church’s gathering by resurrection. It is the opinion here the observed calendar is correct since many events and calculations have occurred according to the observed calendar. But again, we are talking merely a two day difference between the 21st and the 23rd of September. Trying to nail down the exact moment is in the end difficult to do. It would seem wise to not be so concerned over the fine details and realize that three days is still a pretty narrow focus for the transition. We can probably watch all of these days. So it would appear the Sign of the Woman signals the soon onset of the 70th Week of Daniel. This Sign is not going to happen for at least another 1,000 years. In the end this comes down to faith and consideration of what all points to these dates. It would seem to behoove us all to take the possibilities, at least, seriously. These signs of 2017 again do not occur in a vacuum. They have support from the Lunar Tetrads and Conjunctions, as well as the progression of events in the world centered around Israel. It is the time. We may be down to our final weeks as the Church to witness to the remainder of the world that is lost. However, the world does seem to know that all is not well and doomsday approaches. Indeed it is. The question comes down to what a person does with Jesus and the gift he offered through his death on the cross. Whatever point of history we are in, that is the question. That is the bottom line. Believing in Christ and accepting his gift of pure grace is what will deliver us. It is the only thing that can save us. We will soon see that the world cannot save itself. Scripture promises that it will soon be humanity's darkest hour. Those who believe now will be taken to be with the Lord in likely a few short months. The rest will then have to endure the coming dark hour and many will decide. Now is the time of salvation. Our Lord will soon reign over the Earth." “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.” John 3:16-17 NKJV

Yes, at the least I think that someone is trying to get our attention, signs are everywhere. Whether this is The Return in September or October or beyond is up for debate. I see all these things as signs from the One who created the Heavens. Perhaps the major war is the one that comes after The Return: Revelation 13:5-18 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. The anti-Christ is referred to as the Destroyer in the book of Revelation. He is one of and chief of the original fallen angels that were sent to the Abyss by God after the flood. He also has a "right hand man" sidekick who represents the god of war and commerce and is called "The False Prophet". What happens is a deadly game of war and suffering with man as the pawns and men's allegiance the goal. II Peter 2:4-5 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that... the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Enoch is mentioned a few verses later in this chapter, since he was also an end times prophet. Jude 1:14-16 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage Revelation 9:1-2,11 1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.... 11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Here the Bible meets Greek "mythology" there is a definite connection between the fallen angels, the nephilem, the Greek god Apollo or Apollyon, and the anti-christ. The false prophet, deluding and deceiving the people of earth into following the antichrist. Revelation 13:13-15 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. Then, the Antichrist's and False Prophet's government form a club, unless you join and you become a member, you will be boycotted. You will not be able to buy or sell unless you bear the mark of the Beast on your hand or forehead proving membership. Funny how it sounds like the way some governments are mirroring this club mentality all of a sudden, makes you wonder what shocking thing's next. A company in Wisconsin this month has already started this process by chipping some 40 employees with their vital and bank card information under the skin with a microchip between the thumb and forefinger. The company that sells these chips is from Sweden and boasts some 3k European users already. Revelation 13:16-18 (NIV) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his fore-head, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the Beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the Beast, for it is a man’s number. His number is 666. Pretty sobering. God help those people left behind. Revelation 14:9-13 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. It will be a tough choice for those who have a family and children to support and take care of. Revelation 6:4 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. Mars, the red planet, was also a god, he was a god in the pre flood era with Apollo. He is also known as the god of War...there is a war coming. Revelation 6:5,6 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. The color black and bread sold by weight in the Bible is a marker of famine. Commerce is depicted by the rider with the balances in hand. Interesting the oil and wine are spared, or protected, perhaps the great commerce of the world's wealthiest and elites will stay wealthy so as to aid the government in place. Worldwide famine will be present during the tribulation, many will die. In mythology, Mercury is the god of War, the Roman name for him is Hermes, who also acted as a messenger between the gods and man, and in Latin the word is mercurius, where the words merchandise and merchant are derived. All three reigned in the pre-flood era.

My pleasure T-Bone! The Stellarium link: http://www.stellarium.org is so cool! With it's software you can look up any day, hour or location clear back to the birth of Christ and beyond-backward and forward in time...kinda like God...he he he :) and see the stars day or night and their positions, astrological signs etc, highly customizable and free. Good stuff. Our Heavenly Father is apparantly all about math and precision, one can retrace the behavior of stars thousands of years ago, we just have to know where to look. I'm sure hundreds of thousands saw the Bethlehem Christ Star when he was born, few were actually watching for it, few understood the meaning of what they saw. Through use of the software above, the differences between the 3 BC constellations and planets and the ones on Sept 23rd this year appear. Also interesting is that right before the Feast of Trumpets there's a Lunar eclipse visible to the Middle East and to most other countries on that side of the globe. It's called a penumbral eclipse, which is only partially visible to certain parts of the world (not the USA). It happens when the sun, earth and moon are in an almost straight line together and earth's shadow blocks the reflecting sun rays that light up the moon at night. A penumbral lunar eclipse occurs when the Sun, Earth, and the Moon align in an almost straight line. When this happens, the Earth blocks some of the Sun's light from directly reaching the Moon's surface and covers all or part of the Moon with the outer part of its shadow, also known as the penumbra. Since the penumbra is much fainter than the dark core of the Earth's shadow, the umbra, a penumbral eclipse of the Moon is often difficult to tell apart from a normal Full Moon https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2089-september-19 https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/penumbral-lunar-eclipse.html

I found this article in the link below, well presented and compelling with much background information and good arguments from the author regarding the September 23rd planetary alignments. I strongly encourage you to read the whole article on this webpage and not just the excerpts I print here. Bear in mind this article is an interpretation from a viewpoint, take it for what it is. I don't agree with everything written but feel overall there's some great end times information. This individual has done so much more research and had much more time than I in the subject matter and in my opinion, has put together a well written dialogue. http://www.heavenlysign2017.com/supporting-data.html Let us not forget that two of the greatest days in all Christendom have occurred on Jewish feast days-the day of Christ's sacrifice for us- The Passover, and the day of Pentecost. I believe Jewish holy days are still of some significance to God and relevant as we, the Church of the One Body, are the wild olive tree being grafted into Israel's own olive tree, as Israel is once again in the future, grafted back in to the tree we share together. Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? The author states, "These very seasons, namely the last days, were not only foreknown but they were planned. The appointed time which is taking place in September 2017 is the Feast of Trumpets." "The Feast of Trumpets is one of only 3 Jewish Feasts that has yet to be fulfilled. Jesus was crucified on Passover, buried on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, resurrected on First Fruits, and The Holy Spirit descended on Pentecost. The three feasts left to be fulfilled are the Feast of Trumpets, the Feast of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles. We know that the Feast of Atonement is the day of judgment and the Feast of Tabernacles is when Jesus takes His throne in the Millennial Kingdom. This leaves the Feast of Trumpets, the appointed time yet to be fulfilled, the feast shrouded in mystery." Again, I highly suggest you read the whole article but here are excerpts below to hopefully "wet your appetite" to read it: "The information I’ve been covering may be exhausting but it is by no means exhaustive. My hope is to wet your appetite and encourage you to begin study in prophecy and pay attention to the signs in the heavens. Anytime I tell a believer about the Virgo 2017 sign one of two responses follow. Either “no man knows the day or the hour” or “I don’t believe in astrology”. To the first I say “could we know the week?” and to the second I say “I don’t either but I believe in a God that made the heavens for signs and seasons”. The church tends to get caught in two extremes, date setting without looking at God’s calendar or turning a blind eye to God’s magnificence on display in the heavens. By taking the time to look at biblical prophecy through a Jewish lens, God’s calendar and the signs in the heavens you cannot help but worship the Creator not bound by time,The Alpha and Omega, The beginning and the end, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Taking the meaning of each star and planet covered above through all cultures for : Regulus, Venus, Mars, Mercury, Sun, Spica, Jupiter, and the moon the message is clear. When we put it together we have this: The King, The Lion of Judah, The Morningstar of Love, The Coming War, The Written Word, The One Who Breathed Life Into Being and Light Into Darkness, Is Gathering the Wheat, The King Is Arriving As Lightning With Grace For His Virgin." " "The heavens during Jesus' first coming : What takes place in the heavens is directly linked to God’s plan of redemption. Each star has a meaning in the fulfillment of His divine order. It is helpful to understand that Jupiter is known as the “King Planet”, Regulus is the “King Star”, Leo represents the Lion of Judah and Virgo is the Virgin or Mary. Remember, the heavens declare the glory of God and these representations in the heavens are not far fetched applications nor are they limited to a Christian perspective. On September 11, 3 B.C. there is a unique collaboration of events in the heavens. Jupiter (King Planet) encircles Regulus (King Star) three times all while in the constellation Leo (Lion of Judah). Jupiter passes Regulus every 10-20 years but the rare quality of this event is that on this occasion it encircles it not once but three times on the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, The Feast of Trumpets. On June 17th, 2 B.C. exactly 40 weeks (the typical human gestation period) Jupiter is positioned directly over Jerusalem in the heart of Leo (The Lion of Judah). On December 25th, 2 B.C after moving 15 months without stop Jupiter enters retrograde motion directly above Bethlehem. If you take this all into account we have Jesus being conceived September 11, 3 B.C. (Feast of Trumpets), 9 months later He is born with the King Planet directly above Jerusalem while in the heart of Leo (Lion of Judah). Six months later we have the star of Bethlehem or King Planet directly above the town of Bethlehem. If you are honest with yourself you cannot conclude these are coincidences. If you believe this to be far fetched I implore you to download www.stellarium.org and check for yourself. You don’t have to work for NASA, even an elementary familiarity of astronomy can reveal a remarkable glimpse into His sovereign order. The humanists are using technology in an attempt to become God. We should employ the same technology to reveal the One True God who knows the end from the beginning. More information can be found at www.bethlehemstar.net as well." "Genesis 6:3: And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. This could represent 120 jubilee years. In Leviticus 25 a jubilee year occurs every 50 years; 120X50 = 6,000 years." "According to www.torahcalendar.com (they've calculated the lunar cycles (God's true calendar) for the last 6,000 years using advanced technology)) the year 6,000 began October 5th 2014 and ends on 15th September 2015." "The Great Sign in Heaven of Revelation 12 a great sign appeared in heaven a woman clothed with the Sun and the moon under her feet and on her head a crown of twelve stars and she was with child and she cried out being inlabor and in pain to give birth. Jesus called such events fearful sights and great signs from heaven. The great sign from heaven will be the largest sign that has ever heralded a prophetic event. We are on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It is three in the morning on September 23rd 2017. The first constellation and the great sign is rising above the horizon. This is Leo, the constellation of the Royal lion. When the dawn breaks, we will see that leo is worn as a crown of royalty by the Virgin princess. The lion forms the appropriate crown for her because she is of the house of David. The Lion of the tribe of Judah. Significantly, this is the highest well-managed of all the nations. This means the Virgin is also born of the lineage of the high scepter of the seat of Adam and her belly is the second Adam the savior of the world on this fateful day. The Virgin is clothed in the sun and the moon is at her feet. Sunlight floods the sky. The prophecy clearly states that the great sign is to appear in the heaven. High Noon approaches ,then on this special day the Sun turns as black assackcloth and the stars quickly fill the sky. Just like on the day of the crucifixion it will remain dark for an incredible three hours. We stop the motion, zoom in, we fill the screen with our two constellations to better see how the constellations are formed. We generate blue lines between their stars, then we turn off the constellation artwork leaving us with the lines of each constellation. We first turn our attention to the constellation of Leo and Leo the alpha or brightest star is Regulus. The regal kingstar. Eight additional bright stars are used to form the constellation, but this leaves us three stars short of the 12 stars prophesied to crown the Virgin on this special day. 3 wandering stars are in rare formation within the boundaries of Leo. They are Venus Mars and Mercury. This gives us the prophesied 12 stars to form the crown. Now we move to virgo. Her left hip is formed of the alpha star named spica which means the seed. Her right hip is formed by the Zeta star, which name means the branch. On this day the Virgin is to give birth to the king planet between these two stars. Jupiter the King planet images the rescuing power of our Messiah. Because of this planet's gravitational strength it takes countless hits or impacts for us from many of the dangerous objects that cross into the inner solar system. Also, the King planet has just spent nine months in the belly of the Virgin reinforcing the prophetic imagery of the scripture. To illustrate this wonder we will now run the clock backward for a year. Notice that the King planet stops and turns around twice in retrograde motion while in the belly of the Virgin. In turn the moon flies by along the ecliptic every month. This action by the moon will give us a means to mark the passing of the months. We stop our backward motion. We now change into forward motion. We pause the motion as Jupiter enters the belly of the Virgin. Now count the times that the moon flies by as Jupiter is in the Virgin's belly. Are you ready? 123456789, and in just under 10 months we arrive back at our faithful september 23rd 2017. Now we will recap the prophetic imagery in the great sign. First we have Virgo the virgin princess imaging the Virgin Mary. Second the Virgin is clothed in the Sun imaging the life-giving spirit of God. Third the crescent moon is at her feet heralding this day as the Jewish feast of trumpets. Fourth on this day the Virgin also has a special crown of twelve stars representing the lineage of the high throne of the nation of Israel. Fifth the virgin gives birth to the Crown Prince the Messiah. Sixth the crown prince has just spent a long nine months in her womb, the time of human gestation. Seven so we can see this wonder, a special heavenly event causes the sky to fall dart for three hours in the middle of the day the combination of all seven of these independent actions into a great sign brings to life the exact imagery of the prophecy. However if this sign were to occur repeatedly in the course of the travels of the planets then how could we interpret it as a significant event? How often does this configuration occur in the heavens? The answer. It occurs only this one time. At no other time is the Virgin clothed in the Sun with the moon at her feet while she is wearing a crown of twelve stars at the same time she gives birth. We have found no astronomy program that shows this configuration occurring at any other time throughout history from the days of Adam, 6,000 years in the past, until the end of the millennial reign 1,000 years into our future. Yet this wonder was described in detail in Revelation chapter 12 nearly 2,000 years ago. The astounding fulfillment of this great prophecy is like a clarion blast of God's trumpet broadcasting to all that the sign is a magnificent herald of end times events. Furthermore, its appearance is to occur on the exact day the Lord indicating a plan he laid out before he created the heavens....It is also the 70 year anniversary of the UN resolution allowing for Israel to be recognized as a state. It is 70 years from 1947 to the rebirth of Israel." Luke 21:25 There will be signs in the sun moon and stars... Jesus said this. Then is it OK to look for them? The answer is Yes!

I found this great explaination of The Feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot, which also happens in the fall every year, either at the end of September or in October. The week long celebration starts this year on October 5, 2017. I should have included it in the first post on this thread as a source for Jewish holidays coming up this fall. Below is a excerpt from this website: http://www.messianicgoodnews.org/the-feast-of-tabernacles-sukkot/ "INGATHERING OF THE HARVEST" "The festivals reflect the agricultural economy of Ancient Israel. The Feast of Tabernacles was also called the “feast of ingathering,” because it was a time of thanksgiving for the autumn harvest and of prayers for abundant rain to prepare the soil for the next harvest. It marked the end of the harvest and the start of a new season, foreshadowing the spiritual harvest at the end of the age which will take us into the season of joy at the renewal of all things. Every male in Israel had to appear before the LORD, bringing with them their tithes and freewill offerings for the upkeep of the Temple and the Priesthood who performed the sacrificial rituals on behalf of the whole nation. No Israelite was to appear empty-handed before the LORD! They were to give in proportion to the blessing that they had received from the LORD. (Dt. 16:17) The people appeared before the Lord waving the lulav in one hand and carrying the etrog (citrus fruit) in the other, the lulav as a reminder of their sojourning in the desert, the etrog representing the fruitfulness of the land which the Lord had given them. The spiritual application of these things in the life of the believer is readily apparent. We have been appointed to bear fruit that will last. Jesus told his disciples, “This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples” (Jn.15:8). As believers we celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles looking both forward and backward. We look back with thankful hearts to our deliverance from bondage to sin, but are conscious that the harvest has not yet been fully gathered in. We also look ahead in eager anticipation to the joyous celebration that will accompany the final ingathering of the harvest. Jesus said, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field” (Matthew 9:37-38). There is a beautiful allusion to the ‘feast of ingathering’ in the book of Revelation. The multitude of worshipers before the throne is pictured carrying palm branches and singing a song reminiscent of the great Hosanna. After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches (lulav) in their hands. And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb” (Revelation 7: 9-10). Further on in the passage it is said that the One who sits upon the throne “will spread his tent over them” and, “lead them to springs of living water.” Herein are represented all of the great themes of the feast of Tabernacles. THE “SUKKAH” – OUR TEMPORARY DWELLING The people were instructed to leave the security of their permanent dwellings and to live in booths made from leafy branches and palm fronds for seven days. This was to remind them that when they sojourned through the desert, living in booths, the Lord led and sustained them for forty years. The Lord is our strength and our refuge." ----- There's more background on the website, it's interesting how this is an Jewish celebration feast and also a remembrance, but also applies the the Body of Christ as the harvest of sorts. This link below also is concerning Jewish celebrations and holy days, it gives a good descriptions of the major ones: http://biblelight.net/feasts.htm

T-Bone, I hear ya, I feel the same way. Some things in some of the books or internet pages I've read havent seemed correct or not fully taught-not complete, so I've often sought out more information to see if what was taught is wonky and/or also to look at it deeper. It's also the reason why I've not invested in commentaries in the past, since that is someone else's opinion on scripture too. But, wrestling with some difficult scriptures, especially those which have both foretold a past event and are still foretelling an end times event, they really seem to need scholarly insight to help decipher and flesh out what meanings are involved. Plus commentaries seem to be a huge timesaver since searching scriptures and sources can be quite slow moving. There is so much that is still undiscovered or unanswered or not understood about God and the scriptures, but that's also another function of this forum here. In essence, a board of review is here waiting for anyone to share their ideas and get input or to seek answers and get input, good or bad, it's all fair game.

Wow, T-Bone, great response! Thanks for the suggestions! You know, I've never owned a commentary and have shied away from them in the past, but lately I'm appreciating the input of scholars who've really worked and studied the scriptures. I'm realizing those who have gone before me can really flesh out those hard to understand passages. I'm with you on the iPad vs kindle, I tend to favor using the kindle app on both iPad and iPhone although I often also have a hard copy too in addition to the digital, and I get audiobook additions for driving across town or longer trips. I really enjoy using the word search option of kindle books for key word searches, very useful especially if I forget where in the book to look for what I want. Thanks again, I'm going to check them out on Amazon.

T-Bone, how useful/helpful are the 2 Reference books you listed, the Zondervan commentary and Keli & Delitzsch Commentary? I don't own these, should I add them to my library, and as a bonus they're not too expensive on Amazon Kindle or used?

Waysider, now I understand what you meant by this, I should have asked for clarification :) Isaiah 19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. T-Bone, yes, the prophetic verse about the Jews, the Egyptians, and the Assyrians worshiping the true God together, definitely future prophecy. Makes sense, holy ground which was once profane. Hmmm. Maybe That's what's meant by the altar, pillar and sign in Egypt too. You know there may have been a rough stone altar/temple built by Abraham originally in Jerusalem. Maybe it will be something like that, or maybe bigger to serve as a sign. In my understanding of the scriptures, Luke 21 (and other books), describe the reason the Jews had to abandon Jerusalem and get driven into Egypt along with others. It happens 3 1/2 years after the Tribulation, when the antichrist (Nephilim?) takes over the rebuilt 3rd Temple in Jerusalem, stops the Jews from performing offerings or sacrifices, declares he is god, war breaks out by the King of the North with assorted Arab countries and makes a drive into Jerusalem attacking. Jerusalem is partly destroyed, 1/3 of Jews killed, and the remainder Jews scatter to the mountains or wilderness, and told not to come back to Jerusalem by God. Those Jews who don't leave will be asked to worship the antichrist or get thrown into prison, or die for following the true God. At some point the Euphrates dries up enabling large transport and crossings, and the King of the East with 20 million soldiers drives from the eastern flank toward Jerusalem. Interesting side note, china is already making agreements with other countries to start building superhighways beyond their borders linking china with the Middle East and Europe. Interesting stuff. We shall! We might not know the exact hour or day, but perhaps the months. I think it's ok to contemplate it and even search out knowledge and clues from scripture about it, and it's fun too. It actually makes me draw closer to God, and realize that time in earth is short, so do what we can to draw close to Him and to our families, loved ones and reach out to those who haven't heard.

T-Bone, I concur, the pyramid conclusion is hard to swallow as well as some other points he writes about. There's a lot of end times passages in scripture that have no obvious answers and some that we can surmise we know the answer, but who knows, it's like seeing thru a glass darkly. Maybe we'll know after the Lord returns and that might have to be sufficient.

Waysider, some date the pyramids to be significantly older but I don't know about the true age or the writing of Isaiah, but it reads as if it's future prophecy. Reading the whole chapter on Biblehub.com in the NIV version the heading does say it's a prophecy against Egypt although I'm not sure if most bible scholars say that or not. Lots of unknowns. Bolshevik, I don't know who built the pyramids, but that video does show an interesting theory. It reminds me of a documentary I saw on the 7 ancient wonders of the world about the hanging gardens of Babylon, which they discovered were probably in Nineveh (now Mosul, Iraq) and not Babylon. It was commissioned by the great king Sennacherib. The archeologists show he diverted a river hundreds of miles away with culverts, bridges, sloughs, with sloping grades, which rivaled roman building techniques centuries later, and pooled the water at the kings property far away. There are some writings verifying the location and some parts of structures of canals of stone, bridges and culverts left as well as some of the actual garden structure but due to the war it is inaccessible and has suffered damage. They even utilized an advanced spiral pump screw technology to move the water up 7 terrace levels similar to your video. Now the pyramid at Giza is the only one of the 7 wonders that survived mostly intact. Interesting the use of water in the computer mock up you posted, but no one yet has been able to prove any of the theories hands on. The water one looks interesting though. I know with some of the tonnage and locations modern methods can't do it, so who knows, Maybe they had a secret method or help. Also the existence of other pyramids worldwide in very priminitive societies makes you wonder. But who knows, this particular stuff is not on the top on my what I need to know now list, but it is interesting to ponder.

Bolshevik, tons of videos and theories online. T-Bone, I don't know what I think yet about it, I haven't had the time yet to devote to finding out about it. The verse states it shall be a sign and a Witness. That is significant. The scripture, Isaiah 19 sounds like it's a future prophecy if you read the chapter some of the things it says haven't happened yet. Then there's the words 'midst' and 'border' and 'altar'. Patrick Heron states the midst and border describes the ancient way of thinking where there was a referenced horizontal demarcation border dividing upper and lower Egypt at Giza, and the Nile dividing east from western Egypt which was commonly known in the old days. So something to ponder, like I said, I've only passively read about it, and haven't put any time researching it yet. But click on this link to hear it from the horse's mouth, where Patrick Heron talks about that and the pyramids & these verses in the first part of the video then goes on to talk about the Nephilim then returns to these verses and the pyramids at the end: http://playithub.com/watch/hwlNZuyYgL4/the-nephilim-and-the-pyramid-of-the-apocalypse.html

I saw one where they used pulleys and rolled blocks upon logs, but they had problems with the corners, then there was another documentary with a theory using notches but that was never tested in real life. The Egyptian pyramids were constructed with blocks that were generally 1.5 -2.5 tons or so, some larger, up to 10 tons, but I don't recall the blocks size used in the recent theory tests. Oops, I quoted the wrong number in that post you highlighted above, it's 50% off. Instead of 400 tons it's supposed to be 800 tons. Equaling 1,500,000 lbs, a million and a half pounds roughly equals 800 tons. The Temple structure at Baalbek has 800 ton blocks, for instance.

It didn't work at first, the flood fixed it. Just one family was pure.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? You mean how did God do it before Christ?

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

I should have written in accordance with keeping the bloodline of the Promised Seed Christline pure, from the early Old Testament times. With a search engine you can find many other site listings than the ones listed below. https://www.ancient-code.com/defying-explanation-the-mystery-of-the-longyou-grotto-caves/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/24/liquid-mercury-mexican-pyramid-teotihuacan https://www.livescience.com/22454-ancient-chinese-tomb-terracotta-warriors.html http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/mexicoteotihuacan.htm http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/pyramids.htm http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/underground.htm On archeological level, the new satellite imaging technology has uncovered hundreds more pyramids and ancient sites, cities, and religious structures that have been mostly buried for a long time. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-13522957 The satellite technology found the headwaters of the lost river Pishon: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pishon

Thank you Bolshevik, good point about the Nile. I love Sirius the Dog Star, and Prisoner of Azkaban is my my favorite Harry Potter film. All last summer I enjoyed watching Sirius, Antares, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Venus and the moon trace across the southern night sky as I watched from my back porch. T-bone, I know, another deception by TWI, it figures. Patrick Herons book did answer lifelong questions I had concerning the Giants mentioned in the Old Testament, the hidden reason behind the flood and God grieving that he made man, why wiping out so many tribes in bible lands to keep the bloodline purity was so important in OT times, and other inexplicable events that go on to this day. He does lay out the argument for the Nephilim's existence quite well IMO, and introduces the book of Enoch as an important lost book to the canon of scripture. I've had Heron's book for about 3 years. It actually made the Bible fit for the first time for me. I'm an old earth creationist not a young earth one. I actually didn't tackle the pyramid subject in Heron's book till quite recently, when I was looking at the genesis of Homo sapiens, and archeological digs predating 5,000 BCE, such as Göbekli. I came across evidence globally of huge cavernous underground cave systems for example in china that predates man's ability to construct them. Then I discovered the same underground caverns are being discovered under pyramids across Mexico City, South America, and other pyramid sites. Then I remembered Heron's book and the chapters I didn't read, so I picked it up again. I saw the timeline, the math built into the building of the Great Pyramid at Giza, the way the pyramids are set upon the world's longitude and latitudes across the globe in different places, the fact that Pi is mathematically built into the design, the fact that the great pyramid mirrors descriptions of the heavenly abode, as well as the subterranean digs in South America revealing caverns and basements underneath with lakes of shiny mercury, again mirroring descriptions of the heavenly abode, then the archeology, the math, the connection to God's plan was there. Builders still can't figure out how man got those 400 ton foundation blocks in the sites with the tools and know how of that time period. Heron does link the Pyramid to the Nephilim, and to God. So it's all quite interesting, and quite representative of God's precision with his handiwork, which is such a great Witness in the physical world especially to the scientific unbeliever. Heron also touches on the symmetry and the math in the Bible, specifically the OT, also validating the scriptures and God.

My original post was not to provide all the answers but it actually was intended to reach out to those who have studied eschatology, the signs of the zodiac, and astronomy, because I have questions. I had been studying happily on my own till I saw the Jewish holiday dates in conjunction with the upcoming astronomical events this year. In order to post this I had to share what I've been researching in hopes someone here at GS would have studied any of these topics. It also serves as a platform to expose these topic to those who might be interested. I am not here to justify what I look at, search, study or find, It is what it is. At any rate, we can study the bible with a spirit of gratefulness knowing that it still has it's share of mysteries, unanswered questions, and controversies. That's part of what makes studying enjoyable and fun, let's try to show charity toward others as we endeavor to gain understanding and possibly resolve those questions. A lot of what I wrote comes from EW Bullinger's Witness of the Stars, where he shows God left us Signs related to the stars, equinox', sun and moon, constellations and planets, and He uses those things to prophecy and point to future momentous and important events in His Word and His Plan. Bullinger speaks of the 3 1/2 years, the 7 years, the 1,260 days, the 2,520 days, the 42 months, etc. They coincide with the soli-lunar equinox, duration of The Tribulation, Destruction of the temple, scattering of the Jews, etc. These time periods and others are repeated throughout scripture and in the old texts as well as in the skies. They are directly related to Jesus the Christ regarding his birth, death, 2nd coming, final battle, to the end of the world and beyond. Many scriptures repeatedly speak of the same events multiple times throughout old and new testaments. Check Bullinger's Witness of the Stars if you are unaware of these facts. Some sections, maybe the whole book? of Witness of the Stars is online here: https://www.levendwater.org/books/witness/the_witness_of_the_stars_bullinger.pdf If you are interested in reading the above PDF: You can use your browser's word search to find pertinent sections in this document. Also, the doc refers to but does not show illustrations. In the above document, pages 1-24 Bullinger explains biblical meanings of constellations & individual planets, Virgo and Leo are among them. Then pages 25-140 Bullinger divides the Christ topics into segments he calls 'books', such as-Christ the Promised Seed, Christ the Redeemer, the Second Coming, the Prince of Peace and so on. The last 15 pages cover "For Signs and Seasons". And I also want to mention just because one of the referenced websites in my original post also have links to alien UFO surmisings from natural men trying to figure out how observations, sightings or supernatural things were constructed here on earth, need I say, the natural man understandeth not the things of the Spirit? These people have no reference point to fallen angels, God, the Bible, Signs, or heavenly abodes. In looking for answers aliens are what they've deduced to figure out how or why something beyond human capability was put here or done on earth. The last place they're gonna look to is the scriptures, they certainly would not even consider fables of fallen angel spirits. As if these links discredit or disprove the valid information on the webpage I posted, in fact, their informative website is unlike some who try to diminish and repress other's contrasting viewpoints. And may I say, Art Bell's & George Noory's Coast to Coast national radio broadcast program has its share of divergent opinions including UFO's, Aliens, warlocks, vegans etc. BUT, Coast to Coast has also hosted the previously mentioned Hugh Ross, the Christian astrophysist, and the honorable Patrick Heron, author-theologian, multiple times each. It doesn't discredit either one of their biblical messages just because the show also interviews UFO observers, etc. That kind of thinking is a real Strawman obfuscation, which some are all too keen to point out at times here on GS. So, can we discuss God's Plan and Signs? Let's go back to basics: Bullinger writes in "The Witness of the Stars, For Signs and for Seasons": ""For Signs and For Seasons We have seen the great truths which are taught from the position, and forms, and names of the heavenly bodies. There are also truths to be learnt from their motions. When God created them and set them in the firmament of heaven, He said, in Genesis 1:14-- "Let them be for signs and for seasons." Here the word "signs" is othoth (plural of oth, from the root to come). Hence, a sign of something or some One to come. In Jeremiah 10:2 Jehovah says, "And be not dismayed at the signs of the heavens, for the heathen are dismayed at them." The word "seasons" does not denote merely what we call the four seasons of the year, but cycles of time. It is appointed time (from the verb to point out, appoint). It occurs three more times in Genesis, each time in connection with the promised Seed-- Genesis 17:21, "At this set time in the next year"; Genesis 18:14, "At the time appointed I will return"; and Genesis 21:2, "At the set time of which God had spoken." Genesis 1:14 is therefore, "They (the sun, moon, and stars) shall be for signs (things to come) and for cycles (appointed times)." Here, then, we have a distinct declaration from God, that the heavens contain not only a Revelation concerning things to come in the "Signs," but also concerning appointed times in the wondrous movements of the sun, and moon, and stars."" --- Psalm 19:1-3 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. That is the visual "Witness of the Stars" and His Plan . A good question to ask is, does God send mysterious “signs” in the heavens before He fulfills His Plan's timeline here on earth? What does the Bible say about this? Here's some scriptures where even Jesus Christ says: "And there will be fearful sights and great signs in heaven." Luke 21:11(KJV) He also said, "And there will be SIGNS in the sun, in the moon, and in the Stars..." Luke 21:25(KJV). That's as basic as it gets.

"The more information I find the more convinced I am it is something though", said the atheist while reading the Bible for the first time. You could say it's "confirmation bias" whenever anyone reads the scriptures and is convinced it's true. I'll ask you again, what exactly are you objecting too? This is a forum of discussing biblical concepts, and scripture, is it not? Is it not the Doctrinal Forum? You have not once commented on the content or scriptures. You have resorted to mocking the poster simply because you disagree with another's view of scriptures and events? Wow, I guess I overestimated the integrity of this Forum, I was under the impression this is the forum to talk about scriptures and meanings. Something has gone terribly wrong here at GS when even if you disagree with the interpretation of scripture you don't engage it biblically you verbally put down the poster instead. You don't think we're in the "end times" now, fine, I assure you there are many who do including many worldwide denominations, Christian organizations and individuals globally. Not interested in prophecies in the scripture for future events? Fine, go to another thread that you're interested in. Don't believe there'll be signs in the heavens portending future events? Fine. E.W. Bullinger would beg to differ, ever heard of "Witness of the Stars"? Why not go to a thread where you can mock Wierwillians all day long. The above does not apply to Infoabsorption, thank you for your comment.

Waysider, that's true but what exactly are you objecting to? The fulcrum here is the constellation of Sept 23rd and whether it's relative to Revelation 12. I'm no astronomer, but I have great interest in the scriptures and how it all fits together. I guess it's been a lifelong goal to see His Word fit together and to understand it. When I came across this information regarding the Sept 23rd star alignment/eclipse/autumn equinox/Feast of Trumpets, I was actually looking for something else. Since I was also studying the book of Revelation I recognized the verses of Revelation 12 matching up to that alignment. I was looking for information regarding the star shafts in the Great Pyramid at Giza, Egypt. There are verses in the OT that tell of signs from God in Egypt of the coming of the Lord, and that there's an altar to the Lord in the midst of Egypt. Isaiah 19:19,20 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord. And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them. Jeremiah 32:20a Which hast set signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, even unto this day Great Pyramid of Giza facts click here: https://www.ancient-code.com/15-facts-that-prove-the-great-pyramid-of-giza-was-built-by-an-extremely-advanced-ancient-civilization/ The three pyramids are in fact aligned with the stars, they are lined out in the exact pattern of the constellation Orion's Belt, the Great Pyramid is located at the exact center of the world as well, plus ALOT more. The problem is I'm a layman too, not well versed in astronomy nor in biblical meanings of the stars, I have a fairly good grasp on the book of Revelation and am still working OT prophecy regarding end times. I'm learning as I go, I was hoping someone here with background in these subject could weigh in. The more info I find the more convinced I am that it is something though. I cannot say enough about how much Patrick Heron's books helped me to understand the scriptures of the end times, his books are an incredibly good source for those who want to know more, I believe he was an 11th Corps grad. This researcher helped a lot regarding the star shafts there's also a book they used for their research http://watchfortheday.org/signsoftheend/giza2024.html Robert Bauval has written several books on the subject starting with "The Orion Mystery". Anyway it seems this all points to the second coming of Christ and the end times, kind of a big deal to God, maybe others now or in the future will think so too.

Bolshevik, if you're inferring to the numbers regarding the 7 year Tribulation period, I might have been a little pedantic, but there's a reason behind it. There are 2 camps in the end times discussion, one saying a 3 1/2 year Tribulation period, one saying 7 years- I'm of the 7 year camp so I explained my logic above. It would only matter to a few people. The numbers of days in the post is relevant to calculation time between events since there are a lot. These apparent signs are happening now in the night sky stars, which has always been a means of declaration of events for God. There's approximately a 7 year period between the Rapture and the destruction of the Temple. The Tribulation is Israel's last chance to recognize the Messiah is Jesus Christ, and also the chance for all those who didn't believe before or who are born during that period. Phil 2:10, 11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. For those who study the end times prophecies, I hate to throw more numbers your way, but there's over 737 distinct prophecies in the scriptures, often repeated in various books, as of now 594 have been fulfilled so there's still more yet to come to pass. The study of end times prophecies are relevant in this way in regards to the Sept. 23rd massing of planets, stars and constellations which just might be a fulfillment of prophecy. It says in Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars which is also a prophecy regarding the birth of Jesus Christ, which the Magi saw, they were taught by Daniel to watch the stars for signs-centuries beforehand, (it actually meant something to them to care about God's plan & people who they would never meet since all this happened centuries after the original Magi's lifespan) they followed those stars which spoke of the event of His birth and they used the stars in order to find Mary, Joseph and Jesus. This September 23rd massing of planets appears to mirror that same description, but it is happening again now. Which begs our attention if in fact God in essence is speaking to the world now, again, through the use of stars.