Shellon

As a student of psychology, I have to think about this behavior often, address it, consider how I'll respond when this kind of mad woman might be my client. I'm a mother, a grandmother. I'm a mother by choice and I love my babies, they've never ever ever ever made me so angry, frustrated, exasperated as to consider doing such harm to them. When my second child was a baby, she cried for almost 4 months. I had to step outside alot, hand her to daddy or big sister and take a drive alot, sat right down and cried with her alot. But never considered doing her harm. When my first born was in her late teens, she made me crazy; it was her job and she did it really well. I had to step outside alot, take her little sister and take a drive alot, sat down and cried alot. Again I never considered doing her harm. It comes with the territory. When Andrea Yates drowned her five babies it started, as it should have, a clusterphuck of anger, confusion and horror, struck in the hearts of alot of mothers, especially. Now, think about this for just a moment. The oldest one was murdered last, he was I think seven years old, he got it, he was trying to get away from his mama who had just drowned his four siblings; he fought really hard according to the court transcripts. Ok, the first child she killed...............having a chemical imbalance already, coupled with postpartum depression I can maybe! understand how a mama might have a psychotic episode and something in her mind would pop loose and she'd take out one child. But the love of a mother is more powerful than anything I've ever known. Most would kill an animal, lift a tractor trailer off their baby and clearly harm another human being that was hurting their child. But she went on to drown a second child and still didn't stop. And a third and a fourth, without much incident, according to the same transcripts I've read. The fifth one, her oldest and largest fought, ran from her. His screams and pleadings STILL didn't stop this woman. She killed him too. A mama that puts her tiny infant in the dryer has to pop her brain cork, ok. Then she has to go to that baby, carry it to the laundry area, open the door, put the child inside, shut the door, operate the controls to the machine. THEN if his/her screams are not enough, assuming in her rage she threw the child in, she can hear her baby's body banging against the drum of the dryer as it circles. And still she didn't stop. She has carried this child within her body for 9 months, felt the movements, taken on the experience of giving birth, held this child. Even the most psychotic women interviewed has stated that at differant times in this process, she held tenderness and love and desire for that child. Most, in face, really wanted the child, anticipated with excitement and fully expected to be a good mama, for alot of reasons. As I said, I never considered harming my child, but lets, for arguements sake, say I did. Wouldn't I, clearly when I heard my child's screams, heard her body slamming against the dryer drum, fought her while I chased her to drown her, seen her face while I slammed a huge rock over her face, pick one, wouldn't I have a moment of clarity and stop myself? Insanity, postpartum depression, psychotic breaks. All very real problems in our society. If a mother's love and guardianship is as strong as the powers that be conclude, she would have been able to stop after the first attack, the first, ok even the second, kill, the first realization of what she was doing. Does our society excuse it? Does a mother, exhausted from her duties, marriage, life, health problems, whatever, find it easier to get three hots and a cot for the rest of her life?

HA! crud

"Sami, this is how my mom found out about my tattoo, too!" LOL I knew about four of them, but she must have gotten a new one that I've not seen yet. The first one she got I took her to get cuz she was determined to get it whether it was done clean or by a friend in their kitchen. :blink: Five

Great idea! The news report this morning didn't add too much more, save for that he's from Texas. A trucker that had contacted his victim via internet, was going to be on the road in Michigan and arranged the meeting.

"Miss Dow said she thought long and hard before deciding to pursue the legal claim because of the potential impact it would have on her daughter" I have to wonder how much thought she's given to the impact that her daughter knowing she never wanted her will have. What a maroon. Put her with the mama that put her baby in the dryer. Neither should be mama's.

1. What time is it: 8:30 pm 2. Name: Shellon Rene' Fockler North 3. Nickname: Shell 4. Piercings: LOL 5. Recent Movie you've seen: Winn Dixie and others I never remember the names of 6. Eye color: hazel 7. Place of birth: Clare Michigan 8. Favorite food: Spinach salad or Chinese 9. Ever been toilet papering? of course 10. Love someone so much it made you cry? If you count my kids, yes. ever hate sumone so much it made you cry? yes 11. Been in a car accident: yes. 12. Favorite day of the week: Sunday, no bank, less phone 13. Favorite restaurants: N/A 14. Favorite Flower: Daisy 15. Favorite sport to watch: Hockey, the bloodier the better 16. Favorite Drink: non liquour :Iced Tea liquour: Margarita 17. Favorite ice cream: Chocolate w/ caramel all over it 18. Disney or Warner Brothers: Warner Brothers 19. Favorite fast food restaurant: N/A 20. What color is your bedroom carpet: Green ugly 21. How many times you failed your driver's test? None 22. Winter, summer, spring or fall: spring and fall 23. Which store would you choose to Max out your credit card: Credit Card? 24. What do you like to do when you are most bored: Read or write 25. Bedtime: midnight, 2 am, 4 am, 11 am 3 pm (one never knows) 26. Favorite TV shows: Forensic stuff, TLC gory, Lifetime movies sometimes 27. Last person you went to dinner with: Samantha, Kelly and Kailin 28. Ford or Chevy:Chevy 29. What are you listening to right now?Kelly's tv and Meatloaf Bat Outa Hell 30. How many tattoos do you have: LOLOL! 31. How many pets do you own: One blind beta fish and one retarded dwarf hamster 32. Which came first the chicken or the chicken egg? The egg

Wacky, James Martindale is the alleged perp in the story. I'm not saying he's related, I just found it interesting, tis all.

Credit http://www.9and10news.com/ SEXUAL MISCONDUCT ARREST An interstate truck driver is accused of using the Internet to start up a sexual relationship with a Northern Michigan teenager. Police say James Martindale of Texas started chatting with the 14 year old on the Internet last January. They say he then drove to Onaway in Presque Isle county to meet her, took her to a motel in Cheboygan county, and had a sexual encounter with her. Martindale now faces charges in both counties. If convicted, he could spend at least 15 years in prison.

You have FIVE tattoos?? :blink:

:) Indeed the moment I saw my baby holding her baby........well I'll never have the words to explain how emotional that moment was. And my baby, no matter how exhausted she is being a new mama, she's an excellent mama. I'm very proud of her.

cripes there is another new version since you were there a couple weeks ago?

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:D Take a break, relax, have a great birthday!

LOL that was fun

:D Happy Birthday

LOL birthday girl, I no nuttin, which is why I find this funny. Twas sent to me in an email. :P

customer: I'm trying to connect to the Internet with your CD, but it just doesn't work. What am I doing wrong? Tech support: OK, you've got the CD in the CD drive, right? Customer: Yeah.... Tech support: And what sort of computer are you using? Customer: Computer? Oh no, I haven't got a computer. It's in the CD player and all I get is weird noises. Listen... Tech support: Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!! =============== Tech support: What kind of computer do you have? Female customer: A white one... =============== Customer: Hi, this is Celine. I can't get my diskette out. Tech support: Have you tried pushing the button? Customer: Yes, sure, it's really stuck. Tech support: That doesn't sound good; I'll make a note. Customer: No .. wait a minute... I hadn't inserted it yet... it's still on my desk... sorry... =============== Tech support: Click on the 'my computer' icon on the left of the screen. Customer: Your left or my left? =============== Tech support: Good day. How may I help you? Male customer: Hello... I can't print. Tech support: Would you click on "start" for me and... Customer: Listen pal; don't start getting technical on me! I'm not Bill Gates, damn it! =============== Customer: Hi, good afternoon, this is Martha, I can't print. Every time I try, it says 'Can't find printer'. I've even lifted the printer and placed it in front of the monitor, but the computer still says he can't find it... =============== Customer: I have problems printing in red... Tech support: Do you have a color printer? Customer: Aaaah....................thank you. =============== Tech support: What's on your monitor now, ma'am? Customer: A teddy bear my boyfriend bought for me in the supermarket. =============== Customer: My keyboard is not working anymore. Tech support: Are you sure it's plugged into the computer? Customer: No. I can't get behind the computer. Tech support: Pick up your keyboard and walk 10 paces back. Customer: OK Tech support: Did the keyboard come with you? Customer: Yes Tech support: That means the keyboard is not plugged in. Is there another keyboard? Customer: Yes, there's another one here. Ah...that one does work =============== Tech support: Your password is the small letter a as in apple, a capital letter V as in Victor, the number 7. Customer: Is that 7 in capital letters? =============== Customer: I can't get on the Internet. Tech support: Are you sure you used the right password? Customer: Yes, I'm sure. I saw my colleague do it. Tech support: Can you tell me what the password was? Customer: Five stars. =============== Tech support: What anti-virus program do you use? Customer: Netscape. Tech support: That's not an anti-virus program. Customer: Oh, sorry...Internet Explorer. =============== Customer: I have a huge problem. A friend has placed a screen saver on my computer, but every time I move the mouse, it disappears. =============== Tech support: How may I help you? Customer: I'm writing my first e-mail. Tech support: OK, and what seems to be the problem? Customer: Well, I have the letter 'a' in the address, but how do I get the circle around it? =============== A customer called the Canon help desk with a problem with her printer. Tech support: Are you running it under windows? Customer: "No, my desk is next to the door, but that is a good point. The man sitting in the cubicle next to me is under a window, and his printer is working fine." =============== And last but not least:... Tech support: "Okay Bob, let's press the control and escape keys at the same time. That brings up a task list in the middle of the screen. Now type the letter "P" to bring up the Program Manager." Customer: I don't have a P. Tech support: On your keyboard, Bob. Customer: What do you mean? Tech support: "P"...on your keyboard, Bob. Customer: I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT

Thank you

:lol: GUFFAW

This has probably been asked repeatedly, but I need it again. Why can't I see in my private messages what's been sent? I have copies of those sent to me, but no matter how many I've sent it still says -0-. Is there a setting somewhere to show em so I have a record?

I've been wondering about Richard and Wendy and their two boys. In l998 they were still in W. Little Rock, Arkansas still in twi. Anyone ever hear from them? I miss them; what a hoot they always were!

And? Are we done? Is that all there is?

Oh gawd amen! Not to mention that everyone loves everyone one day a year. But try to have a conversation with same person on December 26 or June 11 or Sept 4. Uh huh. Barf bag

LOLOL David, that wasn't the Eagle (s) I was referring to, but ok.

Looks like the Eagle is flying VERYVERY low these days.