Shellon

That is the dude's mugshot???

We were in Oklahoma City from 82 - 84

:)--> Kit One of my regrets is that I didn't ask my mom for advise. It was never a regret while I was 'in', but it is now. :)-->Had she known what was going on, she'd have blown a nut and gone to any and all measures to get me the flock outa there, actions that would have only made things mucho grande worse. :)-->Had she knows what was goin on in my marriage, she'd have invited my husband for a little visit that noone would have benefited from. :)-->Had she known what I was doing to pacify the leadership, she'd have expressed the reality of how I was raised to take no fecal matter and to speak my own mind. :)-->Had she known what was really going on behind the scenes when my husband died, she'd have blown a bigger nut, but at least would have had the entire audience that time. :)-->Had she known what my oldest daughter was being put through, she'd have taken extreme measures to get the kid outa there, away from me and in a safe place. Advise from mom...........I missed it terribly, but I believed I was protecting my children; still believe that. Now, I have told her some things after the fact and it only serves to hurt her, knowing I didn't feel I could go to her then. Another talk show, for sure. :)--> My mom

Dot, Bonnie and David still in Little Rock, Ark, as of spring 03. Still in as of then as well.

Thank you Ttessa

mj said: But I am quite responsible. yes I got them involved ______________________________________________ Ok, well isn't is wonderful we live in a country where we have the right to take responsibility for everyone else actions if we so choose. Personally, the people that I witnessed to went without me draggin them kicking and screaming. I hold no responsibility for them, save for my children, who had no choice and myself, cuz I was just a duma##. Go, have fun, mingle, see old friends. You may just find yourself having the time of your life, why not? Worth a try eh?

Interesting you should bring this up. I have been reading where it's said we "got so and so in the word, in the ministry". I never get that. Did we really have that much control over another person's life? Did we force them to go to a twig/fellowship/picnic/event? When someone we witnessed to went into the corps, went wow, got a leadership position, got hurt, was it our fault because we were the one that trapped them between PayLess Shoes and the food court in the Mall? Wasn't the word that you or any of us 'got someone into' there before they showed up? If you have such trouble being in a social setting with these folks, don't go. Is it worth your own emotional health to go and be stressed out and have a lousy time? Stay home and relax, knowing you are not putting yourself in a position where you know you will be miserable, uncomfortable and unhappy. Don't let them 'get you into the party'.

oh my yes. When someone says "you can trust me, I'm a christian" I run. fast. in the other direction.

Thinking about this trust thing. I've said that I trust noone, but perhaps this is one of the places where it's not good to use the words 'always and never'. (and noone). I have to trust some. I have to trust the busdriver that delivers my daughter and her class to the field trip, I have to trust the teachers to not trash my kids thinking process, I have to trust the mechanic that puts new brakes on my car, I have to trust the bank to put the $$ into my account. There are many many place where I have no choice, I have to trust. But, what I've finally come to realize is that I can trust myself. Do my homework and hire a mechanic with a proven track record; check his referances, I can monitor my child's teachers and ask around; check their credentials and paperwork in the office. I can manage my bank records myself, I can go on the trips to the zoo with my kid. I can pop in at the Learning Center unannounced where my child goes after school, I can ask to see background checks on her caregivers. I can have some control over the people with whom she and I have interactions. That gives me the control that I HAVE to have. What I don't have to do is allow people, or events into my life that I am not comfortable with or even a bit unsure of. I love that freedom to make that decision of my own accord. Going blindly into life and doing things just cuz leadership said it's ok is over, which was part of the point of leaving anyway, it's over. I have to trust a God that communicates with me and loves my girl and will tell me when something is amiss. Where I can say always and never is in the realm of letting myself be so totally open and vunerable to the crap that gets thrown at me by people that offer to lead me blindly through their world. I will always never allow that again. Remember that line about screw me once, shame on you, twice, shame on me.

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Happy Birthday Zix! :D-->

abuse is abuse is abuse, verbal, physical, mental, emotional. Whatever. It's abuse.

:D--> Happy Birthday Kim!! I probably don't have to tell you what an incredible mom you have huh? Hope your birthday is wonderful. Shellon

How do you make a kleenex dance? Put a little boogie in it. ( ok, ok, not hallow weenie )

Thank you John

ok, John, but which one to install? I know how to turn my PC on and do homework, but it's obviouse that there is something that 'peeks' at my information, given the emails I get, as well as a few other things. It gives me the download option, but it's called spyino and doesn't open to anything else. Sigh

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Hello? Billy? yoo hoo

insurgent: yes, yes, and the other info I can share with you more privatly if you so desire.

Monty and Patty Hobbs sittin on TWI's spiritual probation now. Can't call em Rev's anymore either. Can't go to fellowship, nuttin honey. Sitting around waiting for the big cahoonas to welcome them back into the fold. Son married with a baby, daughter married. Monty, my friend, RUN!

Lloyd Hagan! If you locate him, I'd love to have his email. Think of him so often, wonder about him and his wife.

I'm not ready to let this one get so far back into the pages just yet. :D-->

:)--> Billy

yeah2027 Please check your private topics. Thank you. :)-->