nandon

In TWI, they taught that god doesn't make us sick. cool teaching, never had a problem with it. when we'd get sick, TWI also taught we had to believe to get better. never really had a problem with that. Good idea, do what you got to do to get better. HOWEVER... when someone was ILL,,, or suffering from a more serious sickness/disease than a cold or flu... I always felt that TWI would start to blame the person for not believing to get healed or better. this happened to my mom. she was sick for a long time, still to this day dealing with the condition. As my parents were slowly turned against in our last few years of TWI she began to slowly get blamed for her sickness. It was real slow and gradual. STEP 1: you get sick, twi people pray for you, you get lots of good luv'in. STEP 2: you're not getting better. EVERYONE has a little advice on for you, or some sort of remedy that might work (god might be working in them to BOTH will AND do of his good pleasure u know...) STEP 3: People start praying for "everyone's physical health" in fellowship ALL the TIME... u know who they are really thinking about... STEP 4: TWI'ers wait for you to make some sort of mistake (maybe you didn't wear the appropriate shoes for a meeting or something small and irrelevant)... at this point (assuming you're still sick) they confront you, and imply in a very innocent way that maybe this type of negative believing is contributing to you not getting healed or delieverd. STEP 5: you make another minor error in the TWI rotaing/changing code of conduct... this time the confrontation gets harder, and depending on how long you've been sick they either drop the hammer on you and straight up BLAME YOU for not getting better... OR if you are well liked they do a harder version of step 4.... STEP 6-???.... pretty much step 5 in more intense incraments...

they'll never get HD cameras though,,, imagine rosie on HD... dear god.... IF LCM were still in charge, they'd get HD for sure though, he'd shoot a new class JUST for the HD purposes... hell, that'd probably be enough to get him to do a "Christian family and sex on the way of abundance and power" class.

an essay http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyan_theology/th...21-25/23-04.htm

A Johns Hopkins doctor says that "we do not know why it is that the worriers die sooner than the non-worriers, but that is a fact." But I, who am simple of mind, think I know; we are inwardly constructed, in nerve and tissue and brain cell and soul, for faith and not for fear. God made us that way. Therefore, the need of faith is not something imposed on us dogmatically, but it is written in us intrinsically. We cannot live without it. To live by worry is to live against Reality. Eli Stanley Jones (1884 -1973) http://quotes.zaadz.com/10402/a_johns_hopk...i_stanley_jones I see that I am inwardly fashioned for faith and not for fear. Fear is not my native land; faith is. I am so made that worry and anxiety are sand in the machinery of life; faith is oil. I live better by faith and confidence than by fear and doubt and anxiety. In anxiety and worry my being is gasping for breath - these are not my native air. But in faith and confidence I breath freely - these are my native air. Eli Stanley Jones (1884 -1973) http://quotes.zaadz.com/10401/i_see_that_i...i_stanley_jones His Books: http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author...,%20E%20Stanley

I believed. Though I did not understand.

i liked the farmers market. I used to get the granola and yogurt and mix them. I enjoyed the food in general though. biscuits and gravy, pizza, ice cream, ham---err wow burgers. tons a french fries. I was in hog heaven. i feel bad for people who were trying to watch their caloric intake though. I guess you walked a lot of it off. I know a lot of you hated it, but i really can't think of many bad things about it. When i was there i thought i was in a safe place, so i felt totally relaxed, and enjoyed my time with my friends/family/meeting new people. I felt like i was in a big city filled with believers... it was the best feeling a young brainwashed kid could have. <----that sucks..... I just thought of that angle.//// a kid who was brainwashed... i almost feel like all my happy memories are a not real...

i loved the rock so much that i even remember going up to different places and asking if they needed help... like the burger stands, the food tents... i'd go up to them, and ask if they wanted me to help clean up or anything they needed... i liked the whole feeling of helping people out, doing something good for good people. i went to the rock from the ages of 12 to about 15 i think... so i was a young kid... i worked so many hours, from corps week to the ROA... and i loved it all...

I loved the ROA. Some of the best times of my life as a kid. I didn't pay a lick of attention to the negative things. I got to meet people from all over the world, and people my age from different place in the USA. It was probably the best thing about TWI. When the ROA was cancelled, I knew something was wrong with TWI. They should have never cancelled it.

I heard a story... about VPW... When he was visiting the hippies in San Francisco-- he would be teaching, the hippis would be in a circle.. and they'd be passing a joint around the circle while he taught-- and he didn't mind--because he wasn't there to judge, but to teach God's word... is this true, or is it just an old TWI fable... was there a lot of pot smoking in TWI in the 70's? or did TWI pretty much frown on it?

Yes.

yes, 10 for 10. although, i'm not 100% sure about #8... rules leave god out?... i thought TWI had a TON of rules... maybe i'm reading this wrong.

pretty cool actually.

Now you see... for me it was opposite. I was a 13 year old boy taking that class. It was the greatest thing in my young life. I was literally captivated. Me and my friend took it together. He was 12. We had the best time in that class. We took notes like we had never taken notes before. and we knew what he meant when he was talking about masterbation... :|

I actually liked the advanced class. you can't beat learning about spirits and how god can give you superpowers if you know the word good enough. It was like superhero camp.

defeating the adversay rise and expansion can't remember which was worse what one did we HAVE to go Door to Door witnessing in? AND BTW christian family and sex was by far my favorite.

i wonder why they didn't do that more often... but god i remember how many phone-hookups my parents had to do as limbcoordinators... like almost every day they had a closed door phone hook-up...

Tangent from another thread got me thinking. this is what i posted on the jonestown thread. How about anyone else here? Were you willing to not just kill to "protect" the ministry, but avoid taxes, steal something? If the MOG flew you to HQ, told you that you had a special calling or God gave him revelation to bring you there, then he told you to do something illegal/dangerous/harmfull would you do it? Were you willing/did you divorce your spouse? Were you willing to/did you leave your kids? ----- I know that this thread will contain extreme examples of people's thoughts/actions in TWI.. im not saying TWI wanted us to think/do the things we did (maybe maybe not) im just saying... i I (and maybe others) honestly had thoughts/imaginations that had i acted upon, would have ruined my life. ------------------------ FROM THE JONESTOWN THREAD NANDON: i've said this before, I remember being at the point where i thought I would kill anyone who tried to destroy the ministry. I didn't just think it for a second. I literally pictured myself flying to HQ, meeting with LCM, and carrying out this kill. It was among the most serious thoughts i've ever had. I wasn't emotional about it. I was preparing myself in case it was needed. (i don't remember why i thought this, i think i was listening to a conversation about how the adversary and his seed boys are trying to stop the word from moving, and are trying to destroy the ministry) Thank God it never happened, or even got close to that point. Who knows, maybe it was just a 18 year old kid imagining dang. But I swear on my mothers life that if i was called in to do it, I would have. I never discussed it with anyone. strange to think back to that. bad place. I don't know where that idea came from. It was just there. no wonder i went through such a tough depression when i found out TWI was/is a lie.

i've said this before, I remember being at the point where i thought I would kill anyone who tried to destroy the ministry. I didn't just think it for a second. I literally pictured myself flying to HQ, meeting with LCM, and carrying out this kill. It was among the most serious thoughts i've ever had. I wasn't emotional about it. I was preparing myself in case it was needed. (i don't remember why i thought this, i think i was listening to a conversation about how the adversary and his seed boys are trying to stop the word from moving, and are trying to destroy the ministry) Thank God it never happened, or even got close to that point. Who knows, maybe it was just a 18 year old kid imagining dang. But I swear on my mothers life that if i was called in to do it, I would have. I never discussed it with anyone. strange to think back to that. bad place. I don't know where that idea came from. It was just there. no wonder i went through such a tough depression when i found out TWI was/is a lie.

i honestly think that the trinity doesn't matter. maybe true, maybe not... either way i don't think it matters.

didn't paper money have something to do with it?

While i think college is GREAT. It's not true for all. I make over 100,000 a year and i am in the office for 25 hours a week. I don't think I'm in a small minority either. MANY of my friendsd are right where I'm at.

http://www.familytables.net/Gallery2/index.php click on album demo... the first two are nothing.. but the last ones are interesting. i like the one from life lines.... btw how can something be "doubly true" ?

i think the divorce rate is higher now because there is more freedom to seperate when the relationship isn't working out. this is because: 1. Women don't have to sit there and take it anymore. 2. People are less religious. So they do not feel like they have to llive a life of misery or they are going to go to hell.

1 thing i loved about twig (fellowship), was that anyone could pray. but there was always one person who would pray for... EVERYTHING would take about 5 legit minutes, which felt like 35-45 min. they'd start like: Dear most gracious and loving, all knowing, all caring heavenly father who knew each and everyone's name and the hairs on our head before the foundations of this, just, terrific earth I just want to thank you for, just, blessing my.. our lives with the... just... tremendous commitment of the Board of Trustess god... (board of directors)... and... just... the TREMENDOUS... god...{nearly in tears at this point} Commitment, god, and heart, god, and, just, that daily vigilance, god, and...and... (searching searching) just that good solid horse sense that's, just, so great and it just blesses our lives on a daily basis... well... just every 24 hours, god. (at this point, half the fellowship has one eye half open, 1/4 of the fellowship is holding back laughter) and god, i just really want to thank you...god... for the tremendous teaching that we are going to hear, and that we are just going to put it on in our daily lives, ever 24 hourse god, just minute by minute god... and that you just love us so much god, with just, just, such a huge amount of love god, and for the household god, that we can just bless each other with... just... that right word fittley spoken and that we can ...just stay sharp... and that we can just deafeat that...da...darn devil, god,,, that we know that he's just plain darkness, and that you can just keep on lovin' us god... and that... (by this time, the prayee is starting to prespire, because he/she is so worried that they have left something out, and that they'll be "lovingly confronted" after fellowship if they don't remember what it is... so much pressure). and... that we can just keep being strong...in you...daily... <-----pure filler.... and, and.... (((OH YA))) and for mr. and mrs. XXXXX opening up their house ((((nearly in tears again))) on a daily... weekly,,, err.. well just a lot.. to us. and that you can keep on blessin'em big time god, with just all your blessings on that daily basis. and that we can just have the best fellowship, and teaching and be blessed hangin' out after god...with the household god... in the name of your son, our big brother, our savior who's coming back god, that you just raised right up from the dead god, and that we can do even greater works than he did, god... your only son,... begotten son... god... jesus the man the christ... amen.... (the fellowship/twig coordinator IMMEDIATLY calls out song #52 and starts to sing it....) I hated those guys who prayed like that... and no, im not exaggerating. and BTW... this person would have got reproved for not thanking god for his word....

bummer. but i know how you feel... i would have never had sex with a way girl. imagine how clingy they would get. not that im a promiscuous guy, but date and sex seem to go together. hmmm... my generation is messed up...