Watered Garden

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Actually, the Columbus Art Museum asked for that picture for their holiday special displays! Just joking. Thanks for thinking of me.

Huh? I don't remember any toga! Oh, please, though, don't be posting it in the picture thread! Maybe you can just scan it to me in an e-mail? :o-->

Didn't some actress name her daughter "Apple?" And of course if she has another daughter she can name her "Peach". If she has a boy, maybe she can start on the vegetable kingdom, i.e. Arty-choke, or Stringbean, or if the kid is grouchy, "Prickly Pear"!! :D-->

In 1990 or 1991, I can't remember, maybe even '92, we were living in NC and one of Don Wierwille's daughters was WOW in our general vicinity. At Happy Household Holiday time Don, Wanda and Mrs. came to visit, and they had a big whoopdedoo for them at the BL's house (McFadden's I think). Now, I've been around a while, since 1973, so I'm a slightly familiar face but not name. So what do I do in this present day and age (early 90's) when Martinfail (I like that so much) has been ranting and raving and I think someone had even taught on the evils of the holidays the "world" celebrates, but march right up to Mrs. Wierwille and say "MERRY CHRISTMAS, MRS. WIERWILLE!" then clap my hands over my mouth, turn red as a beet, and try to mumble an apology. Mrs. Wierwille just busted out laughing, and said "Oh, that's okay, you can say that if you want to!" I think she might have just enjoyed that, and not as a joke at my expense, either! WG

I don't know any of the involved parties personally, but I am an adoptive parent NOT through any TWI contacts at all. In most states, the birth mother has all the rights. I knew of several occasions where a young woman, pregnant out of wedlock, would contact through an attorney a couple wanting to adopt a newborn. Her terms would be (frequently) living expenses, say $1500-$2000/month, all medical bills, and start-up money for her new postpartum life. Also, all legal expenses and attorney fees would be paid by the adoptive parents. Then, the moment that baby is born, the mom would change her mind, "Oh, that is MY child! I can't let anyone else raise my own flesh and blood!" So she would have a decent life at someone else's expense and get to keep her baby scot-free. All the adoptive parents' excitement and anticipation and spending their money were for naught. It is no wonder to me that out of country adoptions are so popular now. I am NOT saying this woman had that in mind when she gave up her child for adoption. I don't know her or her partner or why she didn't tell him, tried to avoid him and did what she did. I would be interested to know what Geraldo episode covered TWI. I lived in SC at the time and heard of this case. Never heard of TWI being on that show.

Paw that is a beautiful tribute. My condolences to you and your family. I pray that your hearts will be comforted. Love, WG

Sounds awesome! I bet the grandbaby would dive right in! I'll try this for the next holiday - we are eating at the very nice restaurant where my husband works part time. Thanks!!!!

Bless you one and all! The next Thanksgiving I have with my parents, grandparents and my beloved aunt will be the BIG Thanksgiving to the Lord Jesus Christ when I meet them in heaven! Lindy, I pray that your famliy will be delivered from this awful cult. Belle, a toast to your family and your good times ahead. Care to share the sweet potato recipe? Matilda and everyone, JOY TO THE WORLD! Thankful for each and everyone of you! Love, WG

Galen, I heard a very similar story about General Packenham, a British soldier who was slain during the Battle of New Orleans (I think). I also wonder if Admiral Lord Nelson wasn't fatally wounded at the Battle of Trafalgar, with Napoleon's troops? WG (The History Police) ;)-->

It's Thanksgiving. Your family, your so-called earthly family, your REAL family love you and miss you. They don't understand why they can't see you on Thanksgiving. Don't you love them? Don't you want to sit around and eat too much of Mom's cooking and listen to Grandpa's stories again, and watch football games and the Macy's parade with them? They will always be there for you when TWI drops you like a bad habit. You will always be good enough for them. Someday the older members of your family will be dead and in their graves, and you won't have the opportunity to spend time with them. And TWI won't give a rat's hind end about you. Not one of them will speak to you on the street, much less invite you into their homes and feed you and love you and spend time with you. They tell you they are your true family, the household of saints, but they are not. They are parasites, feeding off your kindness and your desire to know and love God and be loved back. Parents, call your children, get them to come home! Children, your parents are waiting for that phone call! Don't make the mistake I did. Someday it will be too late to say "I'm sorry I screwed up so many Thanksgivings, Christmas holidays, Easter, birthdays, anniversaries, Mother's Day, Father's Day by being with the people who use you and not the people who love you." Go home for Thanksgiving. Love In Christ, Watered Garden

WOOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! WHAT AN UPSET! WHAT A GAME!!! (Sorry JohnIam) Well, sorta. GO BUCKS GO BUCKS GO BUCKS!

Gosh, Z, I wish he played for the Buckeyes! We lost so many of our finest to graduation. We do have one true freshman, a coach's son, I think his name is Ginn, a humble young man who does well. Personally, I think we're gonna get creamed! :(-->

GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! GO BUCKS! (In case you just arrived on the planet, this refers to the Ohio State-Michigan football game, held tomorrow in the historic Ohio Stadium, known affectionately as "The Shoe". WG

I think I read somewhere (Yahoo or Fox News?) that domestic violence was involved, that she considered herself a victim or the daughter thought the mom was a victim.

Except for clothes, which I hang on to for dear life suffering under the illusion I will someday lose enough weight to wear them again, I like to donate stuff I don't use to Goodwill Industries, the Salvation Army and the like. If you have nice clothes you don't wear, consider a consignment shop, where you might get a little bit of money for them! WG

The one who made the first suggestion was a man who with his WC wifey had four children, 3 boys 1 girl. They were all vigorously disciplined. We thought they could help teach us how to get some control over our kid. They must have thrashed each child at least once daily, punished one of them for falling off a wall and probably breaking his arm by NOT taking him to a doctor. He had been told by his father to stay off that wall and deserved all the pain he was suffering. The dad also enjoyed kicking his sons in the buttocks for disobedience and stupidity. Made them bend over in front of him and with one boot sent them flying across the room. It amazes and embarrasses me that I kept my mouth shut. If I were in someone's home today and saw them treat their kids like that, my cell phone would be dialing 9-1-1 in a heartbeat, right before I gave this worthless man a verbral thrashing he would not soon forget. He was a loud-mouthed, vicious child abuser who masked his own inadequacies by lording it over anyone he perceived as being helpless to prevent him. They both thoroughly enjoyed the Way Corps Nazi Inquisition period in 1994-95. I know I should forgive him. I do for what he did to us. For what he did to his own sons and daughter, he should rot in hell. WG

A WC grad told us, when our then 12-year-old son was being rebellious to "take him up into the North Cascades so far no one can hear him scream, and take turns hitting him with a 2 x 4 so that he knows if he ever again is disrespectful or disobedient, he will die." We were also told when he was 14, by a different TC,to drive him down to Pike Place Market and shove him out of the car and drive away. I pointed out to this guy and his wife that such action could get us put in jail, and she replied dreamily, "Oh you meet wonderful people in jail! The Apostle Paul was in jail once." Of course we did neither. But it kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it, if these people had a CLUE about life as we know it? WG

VPW taught that spirit doesn't die. In 1996, the mini-MOG where we lived said quite clearly that if one was separated from TWI, the spirit within them dies, and shortly thereafter the physical body dies also. I always figured he got that from his hero the MOGFODAT. WG

Golly gee whiz, I KNOW about the male arousal thing! But I do think it starts between the ears. I never thought for one minute that Galen was encouraging or condoning child sexual abuse. But I don't agree with his post, okay? It's just my opinion, based on what I've seen happen to more than one child. WG

My first foster child was a 14-year-old girl whose father had been sexually abusing her since the age of 12. He was actually her stepfather, but had raised her from a toddler, and had four grown biological daughters, at least three of whom he had also sexually abused. This man was one sick SOB, and felt it perfectly logical that he should be the one to sexually initiate his girls! The foster child was one screwed up young lady. Her mom, unfortunately, was a classic enabler, who told me that the child as a 12-year-old flaunted herself in front of Daddy Strangelove, wriggling her bottom when she went upstairs in front of him and wearing provocative clothing. Of course, mom was buying her clothing, which varied wildly between dresses that were dark, long, baggy, high necked and long sleeved, to lingerie from Frederick's of Hollywood. People, this is sick, sick, perverted thinking on both parents' parts. If Daddy Strangelove is looking at this 12 year old kid and thinking "Man, she's a hottie!" he is one perverted bastard who needs a quick Galatians 5:12 to get his attention off a child. Mom is no better. She sees her daughter as a competitor, not a child. She had the girl taking care of the younger kids (3, 2 girls) like a mom, fixing the meals and cleaning the house and helping with homework. Now the point is, it is unnatural and out of control mentally and physically for a grown man to allow his mind to even for one millimicron of a nanosecond to go in that direction. I am fully aware that in the 18th and 19th centuries in this country, 60-year-old men were married to, as maybe their second or third wife, young girls in their early teens. (Usually the first one or ones had died from too much childbearing and hard work). I'm also aware that that was an acceptable social custom. Yeah, and in India it was once the social custom for wives to voluntarily climb onto a funeral pyre, sit meekly down beside their husband's dead body and be burned alive with him. So does that make it okay today? Of course not!!! Neither of these social customs is right, not for this day and time, and IMO not EVER. You can call it abuse, or adultery, or an oopsie when a 60-year-old man molests his 12-year-old daughter. It is still wrong in the eyes of God and should be in the eyes of man. That young girl - got pregnant at 17 and when I refused to give her money for an abortion (I didn't believe in it then or now) ran off to live with her boyfriend, who called her a whore and threw her out (she was attracted to men who treated her like $hit - guess why?) and ended up right back in Daddy Strangelove's house with Daddy Strangelove and Mommy Weirdo running her life. Don't ever tell me it was okay for that creep to be attracted to her! I don't care if she stripped herself naked, threw herself on the floor in front of him,and said please!

One of the things I want to do before I die is see the Northern Lights. WG

We knew them in Charleston SC and they were good, good folks. Moved to Louisville KY, were de-WC'D (if that's a sorta word)by the Forehead but stayed in Louisville and in TWI. Does anyone from that area recently know if they are still involved with TWI? God Bless them wherever they are and whatever they are doing. Thanks, WG

It's Van Wert. My husband's from there. He's a wonderful man.

The first person I ever heard invoke the Law that forgiveness is only available to those who humbly and meekly confess their sins against the potential forgiver, and then beg to be forgiven was LCM. Therefore I must confess that to me that doctrine is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Forgiveness is cleansing and healing. I must say that I have to pluck the beam from my own eye before I attempt to remove the splinter from someone else's. I must forgive those who have offended me. For who in TWI or out of it has offended me as much as my sins have offended the Christ Who shed his blood for me? Whether they recognise they have offended me and ask forgiveness or remain self-righteous and consider me a vile and loathsome subhuman creature, or rant and rail against me in WC meetings, etc. I can't change what they feel and think. I CAN change what I feel and think. WG