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So if the skunk pelt does not rest on the Fox, then where does it offcially rest? Hmmmm.... Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Steve, Isn't it amazing how when you are truly in love with someone and share a deep amd mutual adoration and respect for each other that your sexual thoughts and desires are only for that person? Take the photo of the blonde that Dot posted, I find her more skanky than sexy. I get much more turned on by thinking of my soulmate and her sweet loving kisses than by imagining casual sex with some big-breasted beached blonde bimbo. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Oldies, That is the old "nobody's perfect" defense again. Pretty lame if you ask me. Why do you suppose the bible then reproves and condemns evil doing and warns of such people like false teachers, false prophets and the like? Wny didn't Paul just say "Oops ... nobody's perfect" in regards to these nice folks? Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Gee Mike, You sure draw a crowd. And you haven't even posted anything of any substance yet.. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

What the Hay posted: Attempting to be balanced and in the middle is commendable, but it in regards to VPW/TWI it seems that the middle ground just does not make much sense at all. To refuse the possibility or to deny that VPW intentionlly did evil (sin) is to disregard and reject the personal testimonies of many eye witnesses. It's sticking you head in the sand. All you have to do is take the accounts of the witnesses and then compare them to the scriptures that talk about evil dooers, false prophets,etc. Yes, both points of are are "extreme" but this is an extreme issue. Extremeness is a poor excuse for not considering a point of view. Many ideas first thought to be extreme sometimes end up having a lot of substance. Is the Bible "extreme" when it describes the behavior of evil doers and false prophets? When it clearly describes them and warns us of them? Is it extreme to look at VPW's "extreme" behavior and make an honest assessment based upon what scripture says? I don't think so.What is closed-minded is to refuse to even take a look or to consider the possibility because it is too "extreme". Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Great post Shaz - You nailed it. Goey

Hi Rottie, One of my 5-year-old daughter's favorite prayers is for God to make all the animals able to talk. Sometimes she will spend hours talking to her kitty and to Daisy, our puppy that just had one of it's legs amputated. She call them her "friends". She tells them her "secrets". Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

We can only hope George.....(Deep Sigh) Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Georgio, If you are looking for Schoenheit's teachings on this you can maybe get them from CES. Why not send him and email and ask him? Jschoen777@aol.com In looking at their web site, I found that they do have a Creation Vs Evoloution Seminar. Here is a link to the Syllabus. Creation Evolution Seminar Here is link to one of my favorite sites on this stuff. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/creation.html Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

In almost 7 year's in TWI (76-82) I did not witness one single (what I would call) bonified miracle. I am talking about book of Acts type of micacles - unmistakeable and complete healings or an undeniable act of God that cannot be easily explained any other way. Not this "my vison got better" or "my dog's diarreah went away after I prayed for him" stuff. I mean real miracles. I did hear quite a few stories, but they were mostly second or third hand. I truly beleive in the power of God. I also believe that in a ministry where personal "power" is stressed over love and compassion, and where real miracles are few, that the people will many times look for and see a miracle where there really isn't one. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

And how about the person who says, "I'm sorry" and wants your personal forgiveness, but is not sorry enough to make any atempt at restitution if there is any personal sacrifice involved? Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

I don't really care about the four others or two others or however many there were. It's the guy in the middle that I am interested in. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Yes, and Advanced Waybrain is when you hear someone else (believer or not) use the word "create", you fell compelled if not driven to tell them how "inaccurate" their usage of the word create is. Advanced Waybrain is when you are lonely and spiritually miserable and go to a fellowship of kind and loving people who demonstrate much spiritual fruit and then feeling superior to them and thinking that you can't fellowship with them becasue they never took the class and don't have the "accuracy of the word". Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Wonder, Welcome to Greasespot. Think about what you said. That you are condsidering going back to TWI becsause you cannot find any fellowship close to the truth. Maybe you are romanticising the good old days of TWI back before Craig became top dog. If so, those days are gone my friend and they are not comming back. TWI today does not even loosely resemble TWI of the 70's. They are an emeciated corpse of the old TWI. There is nothing to go back to. Truth? What truth? The truth that busted up families and ruined peoples lives? Homo-purging truth? Character assination truth? Lying, cheating and stealing truth ? Yea, they've got that. If TWI was close to the truth it would not be spiritually dead. It would be growing and alive. Four crucified, no water baptism, the dead not alive now, and Eli Eli can't save your soul or bring love into your heart. They cannot fill the spiritual void if that is what it is. Would you actually return to today's TWI just to be around folks who are like-minded on mostly trivial (and debatable) doctrines? Christianity is not soley about agreable doctrine and "accuracy" (Waybrain), it is about Jesus Christ and his message. Jesus Christ is the truth. I suggest that you may have become narrow-minded about what it is to fellowship. You have put emphaisis on "truth", meaning certain doctrines taught in TWI that you happen to agree with, and little emphasis on Truth - Jesus Christ. As long as you put this much weight on your "truth", I doubt that you will find any place that meets your standards for fellowship. Maybe you should lay aside some of your truth for a while and look for a fellowship that is thriving, where there is love, uncondition giving, kindness, compassion, etc. There you may find the real truth and folks that you can really and truly fellowship with - with God and Christ as the central points of the fellowship and not necessarily agreable doctrine. Set your standards a little higher. Many here have given you some excellent feedback. I think you would do well to consider what they are saying from their own experiences. Many of us have been where you are. In any case, I wish you well. And again, welcome to Greasespot Cafe. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Hmm? Maybe 500 phone connections with an "estimated" 10 people at each. That makes 5000 - Right?

Bluze, I am using it on both Win 98 and 2000. Can't say about XP though. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

TWI recons that the ministry began in 1942 with God speaking to VPW followed by the snow on the gas pumps. http://www.theway.org Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

I installed it last week Seems faster than IE and with a few more features. No problems so far. Anyone else using it? -- Comments? -- Suggestions? Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

You can reduce the size of the file in 2 ways. You can either make it smaller in size by reducing it physical dimesnions or you can increase the JPEG compression level. Or a combination of both. You really don't need any fancy software to do it. If you have MS Office you can do it with Microsoft Photo Editor. It is under Office Tools. If you resize the picture to 50 percent ( You can eve do this in MS Paint), and then save it, it should reduce the file to about 25 - 30 percent of its original file size. If you open the file in Photo Editor and then do a "save as" you can click on "more" at the bottom of the window. This will allow you to increase the compression (smaller file) and reduce the file size onsiderabily - but at the expense of some quality. Usually the change in quality is not noticable unless you take the compression below about 30 or 40. Good Luck Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Nice Post Linda, Thanks Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Dot, Oldies. What does "child of the devil" mean to each of you? - Does it mean the same thing? I propose that TWI's teacing on this may have been errant. Dot has expressed her opinion that VPW was a child of the devil. Oldies disagrees and is offended by the idea. Yet I am not fully sure what Dot means by "child of the devil". Or why Oldies takes such offense. ------ Start Edit Here ---------- Correction: Dot never outright said that VPW was a "child of the devil". This term was first used by Oldies on this thread. Oldies seems to have presumed or taken by inference that what Dot has said about VPW is the same as saying that VPW was a "child of the devil". But Dot never actually made that statement. -------- End of Edit ----------- So, I have started a thread in Doctrinal where we can possibly explore and discuss what child of the devil means - biblically. Maybe we can clear up things here a bit. If you care to participate the thread is Here Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened" [This message was edited by Goey on November 10, 2003 at 21:24.]

Linda, You posted: So Linda, are you saying that Dot or anyone else should not state their opinion on this? That becasaue we cannot see VP's "heart" that we best keep it to ourselves? I think not. What about "For every tree is known by his own fruit." or "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:" I believe that there is plenty of evidence to form an opinion concerning VPW's possible purposes. And I certainly think we out to be free to express it here. Dot posted: Linda replied: I do not think that this is an exaggeration at all and that the VPW did indeed at least attempt to lead us (all of us) into "depravity, abuse and oppression". Depravity (moral corruption), abuse both spiritual and physical, and oppression were all built into the master plan of PFAL and TWI. He got those that he could get. This is my OPINION. Sticking to "facts" is one thing. But what are the facts for if not to form opinions from? But it seems that you would supress those opinions and charge those that have them "with presuming to know what only God can know". Why? BTW, Dot did not state that as a "fact". Like many statements here it was her opinion - based upon facts and observations. We should not have to preface every statement with "IMO" in order to qualify it as an opinion from a fact. I find her words (opinion) quite credibile. However, your "opinion" that we should "stick to the facts" and not form opinions, expecially those that question the purpose and intentions of VPW and TWI, and to do so is playing God and medodrama - I find well, less than credible or incredible. Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

By Oakspear: Yes this often happens, the same as when someone starts a discussion of the good stuff. Some of us will chime in with the same kind of "yes, but..." as we see here in this thread. Statement: "Wierwille Plagiarized Lenard and Stiles" Reply: "Yes, but that does not mean it was wrong." Statement: "Folks got delivered via PFAL" Reply: "Yes but, that does not mean it is all doctrinally correct" Funny how it works both ways, huh? Oak, I know that this can be annoying at times but perhaps it brings some "balance" to the discussion. What do ya think? Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Hmm? That may seem kinda anti-Semitic to some folks. As if were God's will to wipe out millions of Jews at the hands of Hitler. ------------------------------------------- The more I read some of Leonard's stuff the more I see how he influcenced Wierwille. It seems that some terms used by TWI were coined or previously taught by Leonard - like "gift ministry". Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"

Testing Goey "Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"