Zixar

Dunno. Partly cloudy? ;)-->

Top Ten Ways To NOT Be Asked Back For Witnessing Nights: 10: Point to random people in the Mall and scream "WITCH!!!" 9: Stand in the fountain and yell, "All right, who's going to Hell??? Chop chop! Time's a wastin'!" 8: Say "I just had a colostomy--will you help me change my bag?" 7: Don't bathe for a week. 6: When the Coordinator asks, say nothing and just stare at them. Put your "Manson lamps" on. 5: Show up with a shaved head and an orange toga. "Hare Wierwille! Hare, hare!" 4: When your coordinator is chatting a woman up, walk over and say, "Yes, the MOG will enjoy her ample breasts...send her to the harem!" 3: Put a sock on your hand and tell the coordinator you'd love to go, but he has to ask "Mr. Fletcher" NICELY. 2: If you and the coordinator are both male, tell him he looks "extremely moist", while licking your lips and winking. And the Number 1 way is: [drum roll please....] 1: "The three of us don't want to go." "THREE of you?" "Yes," (cocking revolver) "Smith, Wesson, and ME!" :D--> God bless! Zix

Rafael: Nice! You can credit me however you like.

Rafael: Re: 1) I thought you had established this one, or are you differentiating between this and the apistia/apeitheia one? 4) It's probably some form of asyndeton if it is.

You forgot "Are the Dead Alive Now?" :)--> Have we covered where VPW added a word to John 10:10, i.e., the "more abundantly -> more THAN abundant" bit? I've forgotten.

You can add this to the list, too. (probably only deserves a footnote, but if we're being precise...) On page 8 of the complete PFAL Foundational Syllabus, the word "enarthrosis" is defined by VPW as the "study of type of joints". This is one of his "artios" examples, but it is incorrect. "Enarthrosis" is a ball-and-socket joint itself, not the study of types of joints.

Mike: There's another thing that's bothered me about your ability to glean new things from VPW's books. On this page alone, I counted 13 times where Mr. Barrax' name is spelled correctly, nine of them before you posted the first time. Honestly, can a person who cannot even get To Whom It Is Addressed right ever be expected to be spiritually mature enough to throughly extract Doctor's Last Secret Message From God?

Garth: Is your email address in your profile current? *** Sorry for the interruption ***

Dot: Thank you. I don't see how anyone could dismiss accounts like yours now--you did everything by the book, and you got screwed. You didn't just make one try, you tried over and over until there was no one left to appeal to. What the hell else could you do??? I think one thing that you mentioned that isn't hit on enough is that the upper leadership were actively involved in covering up for VPW. They not only KNEW, they ENABLED it to continue. If Ralph Dubofsky couldn't stop it, no one below him had a chance in hell of stopping it. God bless you, Dot. In my eyes, you're a true heroine.

Erick: Please understand, not everyone here needs or wants "help". Trust me, when I first stumbled on Waydale I had the same idea, "Gosh, if these folks would just go back to the way it used to be in The Way, they'd all live happily ever after." bzzt! WRONG! It's sort of like coming upon a car accident. "I've got to help!" you think, and run up and start pulling people out of the car as fast as you can, without noticing that the arm you just grabbed was broken in three places, or that the door handle was the only thing compressing a severed artery that is now making the victim bleed to death. Whoops. Furthermore, you see someone standing by the wreck, and immediately jump to the conclusion that that person was in the car too, and they're suffering from some sort of inobvious head trauma, so that's why they aren't pulling folks from the wreck. Does that make sense? Sometimes the hardest thing to do is do nothing until Jesus drives up in the ambulance. Comfort them, but for God's sake, don't make it worse when you don't know what you're really doing. God bless! Zix

That ball is going... going... GONE! Grand slam for P-Mosh! :D-->

http://www.ex-way.com/excerpts/chapter12.htm This is from Karl Kahler's book, talking about LCM's alleged affair with the female lead in the Athletes of the Spirit production. I do not have all the specifics of the situation, but does this not sound like a case of there having to be 'two to tango', at least in this one specific instance?

Gee thanks, Rafael. I had just proved you right, too. :)-->

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Dot: ;)-->

Mike: Wow. That has got to be the single most comprehensive display of public stupidity it has ever been my amusement to witness. I'm from the South, and I've heard ignorant racists (white AND black) spout the most ridiculous justifications for their particular strains of brain-damaged hatethink, and they still made more sense than you do. Even the drunk ones. Even the most die-hard Wierwille groupies here, (and there have been more than a few) even they have never sunk to this level of blind idolatry. A psychiatrist could make an entire career out of your delusions. Even the certifiably mentally ill posters at least had an excuse for their abrupt break with all vestiges of reality. Is it Rush Week in Hell? Looks like Mr. Fletcher, and his Legion buddies, and pretty much the entire fallen third of the original angels are all trying to jam into you like frat boys into a phone booth. Good Lord, man! That is not a record you want to be setting! Seek God, Jesus Christ, professional help, and an exorcist, in that order. You are one seriously ****** up individual.

Dot: Don't believe everything you read... :D--> I studied up on HBP meds when I started having to take them, and my wife is on Ziac, that's how I knew so much about it. Anyone can Google the rest of it... ;)--> As far as degrees go, I was once studying Electrical Engineering at Georgia Tech, then someone came along with this little green card...whoops! After that little detour, I took the credits I had accumulated in the classes I had actually attended, and converted them into a quick two-year Computer Science degree from a local college, got a job as a programmer and never had the time or money to go back and finish any further degrees. Never really had the inclination to either, as everything I had learned in my Comp Sci courses was obsolete by the time I graduated. See? Not quite so miraculous now... :D--> "Pay no attention to the Zix behind the curtain!"

Minor correction, I'm on a slightly-different type of drug called an angiotensin II-receptor antagonist. (Diovan) It's these drugs that have possible hepatotoxicity problems.

All right, then another direct question: Just what is it exactly that you hope to learn from "committing" yourself to PFAL that was not already directly presented in the first place?

Dot: Okay, Ziac is a combo drug, beta-blocker and diuretic. ;)-->

Never flown on an airplane?

Don't thank me till you see the bill... :D-->

Dot: It REALLY depends on the type of BP medicine you're on. Of course, I'm no doctor, so you should discuss this with your physician. Some BP meds are diuretics--they reduce blood pressure by reducing blood volume--you pee it out. Some others are vasodilators--they reduce BP by relaxing blood vessels to make them larger--larger blood vessels, less pressure. Still others are called ACE-inhibitors. There is a two-enzyme axis that has a great effect on BP (much like the balance between insulin and glucagon affects blood sugar) and these two are renin (a kidney enzyme) and angiotensin (an enzyme that makes the blood vessels constrict.) Diuretics and vasodilators work on this dynamic too, but there are undesirable side effects. (like pounding headaches on vasodilators) ACE inhibitors directly target an enzyme called ACE, for angiotensin-conversion enzyme, which produces much of the same effect without interfering so much with the kidneys. Unfortunately, ACE-inhibitors can be hepatotoxic (liver-damaging) in some individuals, so their use must be monitored carefully, with urinalysis and blood work 3-4 times a year. Different folks respond to the different meds, er, differently. :)--> That's why there are so many BP meds on the market, some combinations of ingredients. My wife and I are on two different ones (she's on a diuretic, I'm on an ACE-inhibitor) and our HBP has been reduced significantly, back down to normal levels. Talk to your doctor and express your concerns that your meds might be part of the problem.

Actually, if you think about it a bit, some of these errors go away as soon as you don't require PFAL to be God-breathed any more. Let's face it, there are some extremely intelligent people here who sat through PFAL many times and we didn't exactly jump up and smash the tv set when "God can only communicate with what He is..." came over the tape. Heck, I caught the "blood in the sperm" goof the first time I sat through it, but I let it go because I knew what he was trying to say. PFAL is incomplete and inconsistent; therefore, it doesn't even have G&oumldel's Theorem to give it an "out"--either one automatically means that there are truths that cannot be derived or explained through it. Mike is the only individual I've seen who requires that PFAL be as infallible as the Word of God. Yet, he has already eliminated the entire Advanced Class on Power For Abundant Living as necessarily-true, ostensibly because VPW didn't mention it in his last teaching, but actually because in it Doctor said that all cancer was devil spirits, and VPW died from the disease, making him, by his own definition, possessed. Since this is unacceptable to Mike's belief system, he ignores it because he cannot refute it. Very convenient. When PFAL was just a class by a man, we understood it to be the work of a man. We didn't require it to be perfect. But, as this thread shows, the more perfection we demand of it, the more it utterly fails to be perfect. One last thing. It cannot be the fault of proofreaders or printers. If God gave PFAL to VPW by God-breathing it to him, and the final print version was printed before VPW died, then God certainly would have revealed to Wierwille any proofreading problems or printer errors before His Epistle to TWI was distributed. It wasn't corrupted after VPW's death. The Orange Book is, for all it's worth, "it". No amount of study will correct the errors--only releasing one's self from believing it to be the direct revelation of God can enable one to discern whatever good and notable truths lie within.

If the "minority voice" would spend half as many paragraphs on directly addressing the topic as he does on rehashing peripheral matters he's already posted numerous times, it might help others take his views a little more seriously than what they find in the average fortune cookie, which, although banal, does have the greatly-admirable property of wrapping its entire message into a small enough space that one only wastes a tiny fraction of one's life on reading and then discarding it.