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Now, what about Arnold? :D :D :D

My favorite Four Seasons song is "Big Man In Town", came out in 1964 at the advent of the Beatles.

Paw, What exactly do you want to know? I have a Sony ICD-B7 recorder that works fine for me. I don't know about mulititracks, however on mine you can several different recordings, so I guess that sortava multitrack set up. Chuck

((((((Hopefull)))))))) Sorry to hear of your loss :( Chuck

Places like Denmark and Holland are sex havens. If men can have sexual needs satisfied legally in those conutries via prostitution, then I see no problem with the government picking up the tab for a DISABLED person. Now a healthy person, if he can't afford it, toughies! :lol: Chuck

And the largest and most dangerous cult in the United States???? ::::scroll down:::: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!! And its leader: George W. Bush!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tennessee Tuxedo will not fail!!!!! :)

LOL Danny! :lol: Well, its good to know I will be upCHUCKed (no pun intended) :lol: Chuck

True David, but because of that, fire also purifies. Gold is purified in fire. So is steel. Fire is also used in oil refining. It also cooks our food. How, by destroying impurities that would make eating certain raw foods (particularly meats) harmful. In fact the Black Plague which infected London during the in the mid 1660s ended with the Great Fire of London, which destroyed the parasites that caused the plague. Can you imagine garbage and sewage that has not been subjected to fire? Think of the pestilences it would cause. Therefore I think maybe you underestimate the value of consumption and destruction by not crediting the fire with purification, which is brought out by destruction and consumption. In short, fire only destroys things that are impure. You are in fact correct David, but it goes way beyond the fact that it consumes and destroys. I would tend to agree with your notion that it's not a perservative though, however I can see how some people would think this way. The scriptures talks about things being "salted with fire". Salt is most definitely a preservative, and was the way they preserved meats before the advent of refrigeration. Furthermore I believe we all have our date with the fire, as God himself is that fire in question. :) And NO, it's not gonna burn us to a crisp :D After all, the fire in question is a divine fire, not a physical one. Just for the record, a physical fire cannot hurt spirits anyway, and Satan definitely is not harmed by a physical fire. Chuck

Galen, I'm quite certain I've been to your twig. I lived in Newport News from '79 to "84. You weren't the leader of the Denbigh area twig, were you? Chuck

Jan, do you think we may have met? Chuck

Just a little food for thought. 100 dollars today equals about 50 dollars back in the late 70s, when many of us took the class ;) To take any class for 100 dollars today would be a bargain. Now paying to take a bible class, well it depends. It's not untypical for any Christian denomination to charge a fee to take their Sunday school classes. I know when I grew up and was taking Cathechism classes, it was about 40 dollars for the whole year. Of course my father paid for those clasees. However when I sat through a 4 week seminar by the Seventh-Day Adventists several years ago, those classes were free of charge. Unlike PFAL, these sessions only lasted about an hour and then there was a little fellowshipping after the class. Needless to say, I never made any commitments to the Adventists, but I did enjoy their company. Chuck

Sorry guys, trying to get outta the weenie habit. Chock full of sodium and fat you know :) Have fun! Chuck

If I knew it was your birthday I'd have baked cake...... Happy birthday Garth :)

Hi Howard, That's great that you love you father and your children love you in light of being corrected or giving correction. I too was afraid of my dad, but it caused me to hate my father, NOT LOVE HIM. My dad often used to the corporal punishment routine (as did my mother) more for their own personal anger management than for giving us correction. Often times I was given punishements for which I felt I didn't deserve, or I was given more punishment than was deemed necessary. In the case of my dad, his anger at me and my siblings was often alcohol induced. My mother (rest her soul) was such that TWI would have thought she was possessed with every devil spirit in the world, though I myself am convinced her problems were not necessarily of a spiritual nature. In short, I was an abused child. Today I now love my father, but such a love is born out of forgiveness, not thanksgiving, because to this day I still am sick from the abusive (not to mention faulty religious) upbringing, and I'm still going through a healing process that will take the rest of my life (TWI did very little to help in that matter needless to say). Though I realize that God may have meant my experience for good, I do believe it's grace I didn't grow up to become infamous like Hitler, which I have often enteritained in fantasies before PFAL and for a good time after I left TWI. I am convinced myself that no good God has a wrath at all, and that the wrath of God concept is purely an invention of sinful humans, who themselves are soaked in wrath. Wrath IMHO connotes an anger that is way out of control. Hitler was a classic example of one having great wrath. If God has a wrath then He has NO self-control. But our parents do tend to give us an example of God. So what happens when a child is abused by a parent, not only physically, but even sexually? What's his/her image of God? A few years after I left TWI, I went on an anti-God campaign, I actually had come to hate God. I obviously needed to see God's goodness for what it really is before I can really come to him. All I knew growing up was a tyrannical God. It is important that we bring up children in the admonishment of the Lord correctly, and that the bible advises that we provoke not our children unto wrath, least they be discouraged. Chuck

I'm already impressed as I checked this out during the transition. Thanks Paw.

I don't believe in "hell". I do believe in what the bible calls the lake of fire, which contrary to popular notion is not a torture chamber. The whole point of this lake of fire is that of purification. The "fire" is a figure of speech. You may have heard of the expression "a trial by fire". In other words, a trial that may be somewhat stressful, but has a redeeming quality, a learning experience if you will. I believe that this trial by fire is not something we have to wait until death to experience. The trials of life can serve very nicely. Such a fire is not for all eternity. I have had many say that if there is a hell, this world we live in is our hell, our ONLY hell. There is no other one. Also the notion of eternal torment is a bunch of garbage. Do anyone who is a father punish their children for one infraction for the rest of their natural born lives? Hell no! (no pun intended :) ). As far as annihilation is concerned, is that necessary? I guess under the notion of that vs. eternal torment, then I would have to say yes. However it is totally unecessary to annihilate anyone. If there is anyone who is incorrigible, it's only in respect to what WE as humans can do. In God's eyes, there is no such a thing as an incorrigible person. Chuck

And what's wrong with the God who created the universe? :)-->

While we are on the subject of fear and CES, I would recommend a teaching by John Lynn entitled "Everything You Wanted To Know About Fear, But Were Afraid to Ask", available from the CES/STFI bookstore. In it, he debunks a lot of the erroneous teaching TWI had on the subject of fear. :)-->

Good Luck! :)-->

CK, Check out Matthew 24 and 26. "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." All the nations! And this includes....yes...the good ol' U.S.A. Make no mistake about it, the lady will fall someday, and it will happen before any Christ returns. (Keep watching CNN, MSNBC, etc. 9/11/01 is only a wakeup call!!!!) Feel free to take this as prophecy :)-->

As you can see, I'm awaiting the return of Bugs Bunny :D--> :D-->

Perhaps "The Return of Christ" is a misnomer, as Christ is very real and present both in body and in spirit. Perhaps what they mean is "The Appearance of the Lord". But as to how the Lord will appear is uncertain, and could very well be anything but what we expect it to be.

Hiya Dan, LTNS (of course you ARE invisible, aren't ya?) :)--> I've always thought of you as a peacemaker, even in the most ugliest disputes. (I think you know what I have in mind ;)--> ) Well, I made a similar statement to fish's about a year and a half ago, and while I stepped on a few toes doing it, those who know me well figured out what I meant by it. (can you say "context"? :)--> ) The scriptures, minus The Spirit, are a bunch of empty words. However I think fish's dispute goes beyond that. He not only disses the bible, but even God himself. I understand his feelings, and my take is that he doesn't know the goodness of God. Sometimes the best thing to do with someone who really is pushing your buttons is to just give him no entertainment (some advice I should have given myself a while back, as you know what I'm referring to Dan, so I see how one can get sucked into this). Roy and Goey, I think you both are great guys. I wouldn't let this get to you, but just ignore him for the most part. Perhaps he will either run out of steam, or maybe get himself banned. Fish, I think someone on another thread suggested to you to go over to JWO if you need to valve off some steam. There's no holds barred there. I ought to know.

While The Way did very little to help me, I do believe it had to be a part of my destiny. Why? I have a rather vague answer. But it does have something to do with how God metes out justice. I do believe they did abuse their liberty severely, but it was a liberty I needed at the time. I have since moved on to even a greater liberty than The Way has taught. Still, it's better that such a liberty is not abused, but then again judgement does begin with the house of God. And I myself do feel I'm going through the fires right now, and actually have been doing so since the beginning of my tour with The Way.