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Shoeless Joe,along with the seven others,was "banned for life".... Shoeless Joe,along with the seven others,is also dead.... It won't do him any good now,but just how long is a lifetime ban supposed to be,anyway?...Outside of maybe Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb,there is probably no more of a familiar name from that era to baseball fans than "Shoeless" Joe Jackson....Call it the 'Hall of Acomplishments',or the 'Hall of Great Stats' or the 'Hall of Good Moral Baseball Behavior'....but if you're going to call it the "Hall of Fame',Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose belong in there....And,oh,yeah,...Ron Santo,too.... Jackson may have been guilty by association,like the extra passenger in the getaway car...It's hard to prove all what he knew and what he did these many years later,but his statistics in the World Series that year are very telling....Baseball needed to take a hard stand back then to wrest the game from gamblers,money grubbing owners and competition from the Federal League...I know there are some people who believe that we no longer play a true 'World Series',due to the popularity of the game internationally....But I,for one,am glad that Major League Baseball has maintained a somewhat clean and competitive nature,...knowing that you're watching the best players and the best teams compete... Baseball has a great history...not all of it good,but it certainly draws a lot of parallels to what was going on in the world...And the hall of fame is a great place to not only look at it's greatest players,but also those that helped shape it's history....

Shoeless Joe was also an uneducated and illiterate hillbilly,a Carolina farmboy who couldn't read or write... Well,say it ain't so,Joe...Sox lost this one and I don't think they threw it,but they didn't look too sharp,either...Couldn't steal(show a little patience,Ozzie,wait 'til the second or third pitch and avoid a pitchout),couldn't get a bunt down and looked like they missed a hit and run sign...Sox looked flat,and I hope this drawing of first blood wakes them up...Angels looked tough and in a groove...and they're going to be hard to beat...I think it will be a long series...

Yeah,Rhino,those central Illini people were always schizophrenic when it came to their baseball allegiences... It was wierd seeing Rocket leading off the 18th inning...Two games for the price of one...I think this season was Bobby Cox' finest work....

That's a great quote from Bart...I know how you feel,mstar....When the Marlins knocked the Cubs out a couple of years ago,I wouldn't have cared if they cancelled the World Series...Nothing worse than crumbled expectations...Thank God for spring training....and memories..... I have to agree w/ you Tom,...I think it will be a Cards-Sox World Series,which according to Dan Bickley,Az. Republic sportswriter,will be a Cubs fan's worst nightmare---either way,the enemy wins....But when I got older,I attended a lot more games at Comiskey,and they became my 'second team'...Good luck to them...

The Bosox just had very little left in the tank,pitching-wise....I mean Wells---42 years old....I think they played the year out mostly on pride....And you're right...it was a hell of a run....

This might be a bad time to mention this,but I think in 1948 Cleveland won a one game playoff against the Red Sox,then went on to beat the Boston Braves in the Series....

Braves will win if they can pitch Smoltz,...have four days of rain,...pitch Smoltz again,....four days of rain---oh,wait,the 'stros play indoors....Wasn't it the old Milwaukee Braves who would say "Spahn and Sain and pray for rain"?....

Glad you found a good job.... I come from a land down under women glow and men thunder Can you hear,can you hear the thunder You better run,you better take cover Men at Work

Sorry about the Buckner comment,mstar....But Chris Berman is the one who really said it...You know,I got to thinking,..I wonder who Pudge is rooting for in this series?...I know his most famous homer is that body English one in the '75 World Series,but I think he actually hit more homers as a White Sox player... I cannot for the life of me figure out the Braves....You could take 25 Toledo Mudhens,put Atlanta Braves uniforms on them and have Bobby Cox manage them and that guy that's always rocking back and forth in the dugout coach their pitchers,and they'll somehow win the NL East...Then when the playoffs start,they'll go back to being the Toledo Mudhens...I don't think the Brave's management gets enough credit for being there every year,mainly because only once were they the last team standing.... 5-3,Halos up right now...

I think they called it a 'Bill Buckner moment'... Ozzie shoulda had Everett bunt...You need two or more runs against the Red Sox...

That's what you get for messin' w/ the edit button.... Aaaaaaaaaaand leeeeeeet's plaaaaaaaay ball!

Anybody heard from that guy down under?

At the old Comiskey,and at Wrigley Field,I think it's practically impossible to hit a drive that would bounce high enough to clear the high ivied walls or the tall ones at Comiskey(I don't think anybody ever got robbed of a homerun there either)...Now that I think about it,I think the first time I saw a ground rule double was probably over that old four-foot high,310' deep left field fence at Yankee stadium... Before each game,I know the umps go over the ground rules that are unique to each park...At the BOB in Arizona,for instance,the center field "batter's eye" has a yellow line that goes horizontal,then down,then horizontal again...Every so often they have an argument whether the ball cleared the yellow line,or not... I think I started seeing a lot more ground rule doubles in the '70's when all those ball parks had artificial turf in the outfield and the ball would bounce a mile high...One game,Dick Allen hit two inside the park homers when the ball went bouncing past the charging center fielder....Anyway,if I were to design a ballpark,I'd make sure only homeruns left the park and everything else that was hit fair stayed in the field of play....'Tho,I remember at Wrigley,Bob Gibson hit an inside-the-parker,when it caromed off the wall,rolled into the Cubs bullpen down the third base line,and the outfielder couldn't find it under the bench for a few seconds---long enough for Gibson to score... Go Sox! :D

Well,no matter how you look at it,it's just a 1-0 series,Sox are up... Who designs these goofy ballparks anyway?...Growing up,watching only Cubs and White Sox home games on WGN,I never heard of a ground rule double until probably cable tv came out...It cost the Angels a two-out run just now...'Course,it's their park...

Linda, what's this big sigh?...Nothing happens if I try to click on it...

I'd like to take this time to congratulate and offer kudos to the Chisox,who not only stood tough while the whole baseball world was waiting for them to complete the biggest collapse in baseball history,but who also have a manager who's not afraid to stand up to the baseball intelligensia,and rest his starters so he could put the best possible Whitesox team on the field when the postseason starts.... The Sox went into the Jake and swept Cleveland,completely knocking them from the post-season,while Ozzie Guillen was being thrashed for cheapening the game of baseball,as if it's every AL manager's job to see to it that Boston and New York meet every year in the playoffs... It looks like it will be the Sox against the Sox....and here's hoping the best team comes out on top...Last year I rooted for the Red ones,and enjoyed their magical run to the World Series...But this is a whole new year,...a new playoff season,and I'll be cheering on the Palehose...In spite of their great 'collapse',they won 99 games and will enjoy home field advantage for as long as they're in the playoffs...

It's 3:00 in the morning,I have to get up in three hours,but I drank too much coffee today and I have nothing better to do than to offer my opinion on editing posts on greasespot.... I think I've used the editing option about a half-dozen times...I've never used spell check,or word perfect or any of the other bells or whistles that make one's posts more perfect...I suppose I've used a smiley or two,but never a cyber ((((hug)))) or a ROFLMAO.... Out in my everyday world,I usually don't carry a tape recorder with me and use the playback option so I can remind people of what they said and show them that they were wrong in saying it....Nor do I carry around one of those clickers like in the "Men in Black" movie where I press the button and it makes you forget what you just saw,or what I just said...I also don't carry around a thesaurus,or the Word of Google,for that matter... Now,I realize that an internet forum serves a different purpose,and a discussion board allows more time to research facts,put more time and thought into what one is saying and hopefully produce a more educated and informed form of discussion than at the local barbershop...So,I suppose a lot of these tools that enhance a poster's ability to communicate are a good thing... On the other hand,I'm all for accountability,and if what we say in the real world doesn't come out right,or we mispronounced it,or we wish we hadn't said it....oh,well,that's life...We learn to at least make an attempt to,as the saying goes,"insert brain before engaging mouth"...I would prefer to read posts here that didn't have the safety net of the edit option...I think it better to become acquainted with a person "warts and all" than the cleaned up,edited version... [This post was edited by simonzelotes at 2:55 A.M.] [This post was un-edited by simonzelotes at 2:56 A.M.] [Wait a minute,let me edit this post just one more time,please] [Damn]

Just wanted to see if my new avatar worked...I can't find my baseball one...That sucks...Otherwise,I can't think of anything profound to say...

What in the hell happened around here?...I can't get my old avatar back,the board is all bland and hard to read,and the Cubs have finally lost their last home game and put their hometown fans out of their misery... What a wasted season...I've followed the Cubs for 40 years,and even the great collapse of '69 doesn't match this season for sheer misery...At least the '69 Cubs had us clicking our heals and dancing in the aisles for 3/4's of the baseball season...This year's group of stumblebums were not only consistant underachievers,they were downright embarrassing...Maybe it's the damn name or the uniform...I mean,who is going to be intimidated by a 'Cubbie'?....Can you imagine the intimidating,mustachioed,"Mad Hungarian",Al Hrabosky wearing a Cub uniform?...That would be like Dick Butkus wearing a brassiere and a hula skirt... I don't know what it is with the Cubs...When I'd see them walking away from home plate after striking out,they'd have this look in their eyes like this elk I saw once on one of those nature shows...This elk was leading about a nice young doe,getting ready to enjoy the fulfillment of their courtship,when a bigger and badder buck stormed onto the scene,kicked this elk's a$$,then screwed his girlfriend right in front of him...All that poor elk could do is with a beaten look in his eyes,turn away,hold his head down and go back to grazing in the pasture... Four AL teams are certainly making this season memorable...We'd only remember Atlanta this year if they DIDN'T win the division...We may remember the Padres for being the first losing team to play October baseball...The Cards are forgettable because they're nothing flashy...just a well-oiled,fine-tuned baseball machine...Who really cares about the NL wild card ,anyway? I like the Anaheim Angels at Los Angeles because I like Arte,but they should just be called the LA Angels and go back to having halos on top of their hats...The Chisox were like an underdog football team that had built a 30 point third quarter lead...Didn't quite know what to do the rest of the game except to play not to lose...Cleveland made a hell of a run,but I think they'll be the odd team out...Not only because they'll run out of gas,but just as quickly as a team finds itself not being able to lose(no team is good enough to play at a .900 clip all the time) they'll suddenly find themselves not being able to win for unexplainable reasons...The Yanks will make it in because,well,they're the Yankees...Which means your Bosox will be there too,Mstar... Anyway,I'm looking forward to a good post season...For me,it won't be so nerve-wracking...Hopefully,it will be good teams playing their best baseball...

When I reflect on my way years,I think the thing I'm most embarrassed about,or ashamed of,is that I knew and employed every argument,or justification,for charging for the plaf and the other classes...No matter which way you slice it,there is no way God,or Jesus,or Abraham,or Aquilla,or Priscilla or John the Baptist or any other holy person in the Bible would charge people to teach them,or convey to them,God's will...except maybe that old testament guy with the talking a$$... For the way people,it was "believing equals receiving"....For the way ministry,it was "charging a minimimum required donation equals receiving"...The embarrassing thing for me is that it was so blantantly obvious that the way ministry in policy didn't practice the very fundamental "truths" that they taught and expected of their followers,yet I still zealously defended their money-fleecing practices... A workman is worthy of his reward?....Then I should have gotten paid at least a couple of hundred bucks a week for working the word three times a week to teach twig,undershepherding all the foul balls through the palf class,ministering to people(after all,I took a special training class to learn how to do that) and all the other work of the ministry that I did that made me more blessed than I already was...Shoot,I collected garbage for ten years for free at the rock of ages...How's come I didn't get to charge a minimum required donation to coordinate trash pickup?...I should have gotten paid at least what the garboligists out in "the world" were earning...After all,I was collecting trash with the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation... If what Wierwille had was a gift from God to the church,i.e.,a ministry of an apostle,then he had absolutely no business charging for it...So,was he charging for his research time?...You know,those twelve years where he did basically nothing but research the word from eight o'clock in the morning 'til two,three o'clock the next morning... If the ministry wasn't greedy when it came to money,it certainly was obsessed with money and charging for everything...Kinda like today's cell phone companies...They lay awake at night and try to figure out new ways of getting money out of their people...This finally dawned on me,as if I had a religous experience,or something,when I was instructing one of those old classes that Walter Cummins taught...There was Walter,huge bowtie,wavy,combed-back hair and pencil mustache,teaching the way tree,or something,on a ten year old grainy,badly colored betamax video in a believer's own hired house...It came time to hand out the syllabai....One god damned sheet of paper...copied,no doubt,on one of the IBM copiers in the OSC building...Handing out that one piece of paper "class syllabus" to those grads who paid $40 for the privelege of sitting through it was probably one of the most humiliating experiences I had in the way...That was the last time I ever took a plugged nickel from a follower of the way...

Yeah,I feel for you,John...Hurricane's a comin' and there's not a god damned thing you can do to stop it...

Nice to see Mickey Mouse taking the time out to visit with the elderly and the blind....Or is that Minnie Mouse... "I'm tellin' you,she's ****in' Goofie"...

Okay,I'm gonna let one of you holy men or women of God,as ye are so moved by the holy ghost,have the honor of posting #5000 on this thread....

Excie,you certainly have a gift ministry for researching the "Where are they now?" concerning our 9th corpse breth-er-en... Speaking of 'gift ministries',I remember back when DeNenno had such an acute gift of being able to remember the names of his fellow 9th corkers so quickly...I remember saying to myself back then,"If this man doesn't have the gift ministry of an apostle,prophet or limb coordinator,then he will certainly go places in the packaging industry....

Holy God!!! Rev. Bob looks almost old enough to be my father-in-the-Word! Oh,well,bless Kathy and his God fearin' hearts...