johniam

The last ROA was in 1995.

Hell yes! It always rankled me when church groups would call TWI a cult when they were the same way. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

So what? Movies are a time tested medium between what is real and what is ideal. It's never going to be a 100% match, but like they say art imitates life. I'll bet there's a lot of women who value the movie "Thelma and Louise". I've seen it, so I'd like to comment on it. On one level, the whole movie seems like somebody's paranoid fantasy: 2 women need a break from their husbands so they go out for a little fun and one thing leads to another and they end up driving their car over a cliff. It almost sounds like what LCM would tell people who were tempted to leave the 'household of Zion'. First, I don't really think women who live in Oklahoma or Arkansas have to live in that kind of environment where they have to "escape" from their husbands to get a little r&r. I also thought that scene was hokey toward the end when Geena Davis' husband is shown the videotape of her robbing that convenience store using the same "tag on your toe" spiel Brad Pitt taught her and then the husband just implodes. Life is over. My sweetie got taken over by the devil. I'll never hold my head up in town again. Gag me. I did think that, given the circumstances, everything they did was appropriate when they killed that guy in the parking lot. They were fish out of water; they were scared; they had never had to act so independently before this. In the movie THEY were the ones standing up to bullies and the movie did a good job of showing how they started taking baby steps and by the end of the movie they were finally happy with who they were or who they had become.

Diazbro: Mr. self righteous, self appointed race police/social worker. Just one more thing for you: There are a LOT of white people who share my feelings. Believe it. And the scary thing about it is that I'm not talking about wackos who stockpile automatic weapons or who join the KKK, Nazis, or skinheads or any of those other idiot groups out there. No. I'm talking about regular people like me (families, jobs, church, etc.) who are simply SICK of the stench of racial/sexist double standards that get dumped on us every day. You say I'm "priviledged"? What utter crap. God is no respecter of persons. There is no access to God that *I* have that you don't also have and if that's not good enough for you then you are 'chasing your tail' spiritually speaking. Like jack in the box says...enjoy your hole! You don't respond to anything I've said about God and spiritual matters. What's up with that?

Scout Finch: Bad news. I am married (about 17 yrs) I have 3 children, 2 pets, I am 51 yrs old, and I have NEVER been arrested for anything remotely related to violent crime or sexual misconduct and that's all YOU need to know!

Nuckin'.....ain't worth nuckin'...till some buddy luvs YEWWWW

I think I see your point now. You're a normal balanced even tempered woman and you know that you should have an all access pass to abuse any man you wish. Men are stupid and need to be abused daily if for no other reason than to remind them that they have a pulse. Any REAL man should welcome this, not resist it. So when Johniam comes along and says women should be held accountable for their behavior we have come down on him with hobnail boots and destroy him. This also is undeniable proof that there is no God, because if there was a God then Johniam would've been struck down dead long ago and yet he's still posting this stuff so there can't possibly be a God. Yes, Bluesie, you have a good point. Just hang in there, OK?

Rascal: The closest answer to the choices you listed is... Is it a theory that you have come up with after carefull consideration on your own? I have never been told or taught by anyone in TWI or a spinoff that it's OK to hit women. Have you?

quote: john what don't you undrstad that hitting people is not right?no matter what quote: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent When I read stuff like that, what I get is that you don't have the guts to stand up to a bully.

It's been more than 4 days since I last posted and nobody wants to talk about 'raised in the way'; everybody still wants to talk about me. Linda tried to derail the derail but nobody really followed her lead. Fair enough.

Does it say what their favorite pig out food is?

Spiritual lusts??????? What the hell is that? Must be right up there with genuine spiritual suspicion.

Peruser: Dorothy P (it's not P anymore) lives in STL not too far from me. She's out, married with kids and goes to a church and seems happy.

I heard a tape where LCM said that the ROA was a pain in the *** to all the leadership or something to that effect.

So where did you get your degree in psychology, from a happy meal? I'd ask for my money back. Unless they have a good toy this week; then you can just exchange it. You're the one who started posting this racist/sexist crap. But you're too much of a coward to admit it. You say I wasn't abused in TWI because I'm a white, adult male. Pllllease! You're also good at misrepresenting; you said the PFAL book says that every man of God is perfect, implying that perfect meant incapable of making mistakes. You know full well it means completely outfitted for a successful voyage. No integrity here.

Diazbro: Why didn't you post this... It's never going to be legal for men OR women to injure anybody, or this... In 1996 at the Democratic convention the "right reverend" Hillary Clinton said how proud she was that her husband is the first president who ever said that a man should never hit a woman. Then two years and change later she whacked him in the face with a cell phone knowing he was going to be on TV one hour later. or this... But why, Oak, do you assign this celestial value to women but not to men. We all need to get put in our place; otherwise we could become like LCM. Don't you think he should have gotten clocked at some point in time? Not by a judge's ruling or a BOD decision, but by a fist! or this... As I said, getting physical should be a last resort, not a primary strategy. All the other things I listed as last resorts (spankings, war, bankruptcy, the death penalty, and the lake of fire) can be used as primary strategies and the results are bad. Sure, there are men whose primary strategy is physical threats and actions to keep his wife and kids constantly terrorized and "in line". I do not advocate this. Thats not a family, that's a dictatorship! I think the reason God made men stronger than women is because he knew there would be times when the woman would get so emotionally out of control that it would take the threat and/or realization of physical force to restore order. Women really are smarter than men a lot of times, but God still put the man as head of the household. Why? Offense sells tickets/ defense wins games. That man's physical strength is the last outpost of defense. Some women use verbal/emotional abuse as a primary strategy. I see men all the time out in public who look emaciated in general. They say behind every great man there's a great woman. I suspect that behind every emaciated man there's an abusive woman as well. Some men are too prideful to admit they can actually be bullied by women. Oh, yes they can! Maybe 90% is a bit steep, but it always feels good to stand up to a bully. They can pass all the laws they want to, but as long as there are women who use abuse as their primary strategy, there will be men who use physical force as a last resort. or this... I cannot think of more respected actors today than Paul Newman and Clint Eastwood. Each has long been able to accept or reject any part of any script submitted to them. Yet both men have movies where their characters hit women. Eastwood did it in both "The Gauntlet" (1977) and "Sudden Impact" (1981). Newman did it in "The Verdict" (1982). To be fair, Newman's scene may have cost him the best actor oscar for that year. He finally got that oscar for "The Color of Money" in 1986, but "The Verdict" was a much better movie. In the scene in question, Newman played a down and out alcoholic lawyer who was given an "easy" case in which a doctor at a catholic hospital gave a woman in labor the wrong anesthetic putting her in a coma 6 years and counting. The hospital offered the family $215,000 to make it go away. Newman convinced the family to sue for $650,000. All the cards were stacked against Newman. Charlotte Rampling played a woman who let Newman pick her up in a bar and later relayed info he was privy to about the case to his lawyer opponent played by James Mason. She also would wait until he was good and drunk with his defenses down and rip him a new one by scolding the hell out of him. Late in the movie, he found out what she was doing and decked her the next time he saw her right in front of a crowd and stared at her for a minute or so as if to enjoy her pain. Sure this is a movie, but what does it tell you that those respected actors would deliberately include those scenes? Why? Because you, like the serpent, are trying to misrepresent. You must have me confused with someone else about that lake of fire comment; I don't even believe in that.

I told you nothing of the sort. Liar! Paste it here if not. You're too brainwashed to even continue this with. By the way, the thread Oakspear referred to can be found on page 23 of the open forum. It's called "Yates conviction overturned". It's 8 pages long; my first post is on page 2 and the post he's probably thinking about is on page 4 near the top. My point throughout the thread is about women abusing men, but the "damning evidence" you witch hunters are looking for is on page 4. In PFAL we were taught that the serpent used 5 steps to deceive Eve, but the 'closer' in that whole deal was a 6th step: misrepresentation of God(Gen 3:5).

Oakspear: You have drunk people at your JOB? Must be nice. Seriously, I think you said it with "I don't let the morons get me going." Most bullies try to get YOU to do something stupid; they'll attack your manhood or something hoping for you to try to hit them so they can say you started it. That guy in the store made his power play and I made mine. He didn't touch me; he kept it verbal, so I got right up to his face and yelled. He didn't expect it cause y'know no fat, bald, middle aged white boy gunna stand up to him naw naw. The security guard that escorted us out said that the woman he was with was none too happy with him. To be fair, just because I happened to witness a 5 minute segment of this guy's life that wasn't pleasant doesn't mean he's a bad person. It says something about him that he went grocery shopping with a woman. Had to have been a girlfriend if not wife. But I think some bullies need to be stood up to and I still think he wouldn't have done what he did if he weren't racist himself.

No, actually, I am not familiar with that grafitti message. Like I said, non white people are more prejudiced against white people than the reverse. One difference I have observed is that many minorities, especially the ones who have a forum like Al Sharpton, seem to think that their whole entire identity is their minority status. That's what I was alluding to when I said... You think your racial heritage, which is flesh is more important than the wisdom of God, which is spiritual and which makes foolish the wisdom of this world. My identity is spiritual. Even white people who don't believe in God generally don't think being white is their whole identity. Yes, in the category of flesh minorities have a definite disadvantage (not all of them, but most probably). But I'm not anybody's "big boss man" except my kids and that's temporary. I still believe that it's Christ in me and that's more important than being any demopgraphic. That's just how I think, so my identity is not destroyed just because VP couldn't keep his dick in his pants. Using race or gender as an excuse to blow off Christ in you is what's really lame. By your last post you seem to think that God is powerless to help you just because you're not white. Raf isn't like that. Is he also a "sellout" just because he got a promotion? I don't know what else to say.

Why don't you explain why you are, apparently, OK with a woman killing her 5 children.

Just like your own shadow, right?

ROA ticket: $25.00. $40.00 worth of meal tickets: $35.00. WOW burgers at 3AM: priceless!

Christian bashing is a popular form of bigotry. Interesting that you say your boss' church put pressure on him to fire you. That's just like Igotout being pressured to fire "copped out" believers from HIS business. But you shouldn't want to stop being what you believe in. Black people shouldn't want to stop being black. It's the other people's problem. That kind of prejudice on the WOW field et al just strengthened my resolve to be a believer.

If I'm whining then so is anyone who has complained about TWI. The black man didn't play the race card; he played the democrat card; said Republicans were making all the world's problems (which, to him meant white people) but I could really smell alcohol on his breath and when he physically threatened me I kinda went off on him. Black people are no more the "master race" than blue eyed blondes. They can definitely be tempted with bias; so can anybody else. At least THIS time, I wasn't afraid to keep him honest. Also, he did this right in front of my kid!!! Not smart. What kind of message does it send to a kid if I just sit there and take abuse like that? It says, "How can my dad protect me if he won't even protect himself?"

I am so god dam sick of whining people who think they're BETTER than me cause I'm white. Did you read what you posted? You think your life is more "legitimate" ...more "important" than mine just because I'm white and I supposedly haven't suffered in life as much as you. You think your racial heritage, which is flesh is more important than the wisdom of God, which is spiritual and which makes foolish the wisdom of this world. Condoleezza Rice and Clarence Thomas didn't get to where they are by whining. Are they "sellouts"? My reality is different than yours but no less relevant. Few months ago I put myself at risk out in public along these lines; I was at the check out lane and my daughter was with me and she asked about a tabloid front page which said Bush knew and could have prevented 911. I am a Bush supporter so I spun my answer that way. Told her it was bs. Well, this black man behind us starts in on me. I tried to ignore him (this was on a Friday night, by the way...crowded) but he kept it up. Finally I asked him how many beers he had. He then got righteously indignant and threatened to get physical with me in the parking lot. At that point I knew for sure he was only doing this because he was a racist, so I got LOUD. REAL REAL LOUD. I told him what a racist I thought he was in several different ways without swearing. There's 12 checkout lanes in the store. Everybody anywhere near all 12 lanes could hear me. I was merely curious as to how boldly he would be willing to spew his racism at me if the whole community was listening. Security was called; the store manager came over. The black man was silent by then. Interestingly, the store manager, who is white, assumed it was all my fault until he asked the girl who checked us out, who is black, and she told him it was the black guy's fault. The man and the female companion he was with were escorted out of the store by security, after which my daughter and I got the same thing. I'll bet that guy's going to think before he ever decides that a grocery store is racist friendly again. That's the reality I live in. That doesn't happen every day, but it could. I have absolutely no control over Enron, or any of the other stuff you alluded to; I have the right to speak my mind about whatever ....es me off just as you do. I don't care if you're offended by that.