johniam

John Goodman.

Yeah, memories. I was into it from 70 to 78. You had to spend $20 per ounce to get anything good.

At the time, I was GLAD my wedding was a ministry wedding. Both my wife and I are the black sheep of our families for totally opposite reasons: she, a protestant fundamentalist from birth who defected to a "cult", and me, born into an ultra liberal family before defecting to a "cult". So getting both our families under the same roof was akin to causing the planets to line up. But neither family had to pay for anything except the gifts they got us and, for my family, the travel. Everybody else involved was TWI. Our twig did all the decorations, food, etc. and the wedding was in our house, so neither family could ruin the event, plus...there was no strife between either family with each other or the TWI people; it was a pleasant event. If I would have had $1 million to spend on a wedding I wouldn't have changed anything.

Yeah, spring has sprung all right. Weather in STL is sometimes unpredictable. During the last month we've had several days of 60/70 degrees. But TODAY? The "first day of spring"? HAH! 2-4 inches of snow. I once took a class in physical geography which had to do with weather patterns, the jet stream, celestial latitude and longitude, etc. The prof said he had a meteorologist friend who had moved to STL from the San Francisco bay area. The friend said he was right in his predictions 75% of the time in SF, but only 50% of the time in STL. It seems there's some phantom atmospheric condition 50 miles west of here that consistently sends fronts north or south of us. Yes, weather in STL can be weird.

quote: The FBI employee mentioned in this article is now an elected official..... If it's Cheney, his aim isn't what it used to be.

I was at a meeting where VP said it "must've been an angel" on the phone talking to him. That means he knew there was no actual snow; just voices on the phone saying there was snow at the airport which caused him to stay in the hotel long enough to meet the guy who led him into tongues. But, hey! Don't let me stop your hate fest.

Geo: Interesting that you dismiss all conspiracy theories about JFK, yet you accept all such about VPW. Nothing logical about that. Besides, the reason I tend to believe in a conspiracy about JFK is the same as some of the stuff about VPW: there's just too many "loose ends" to NOT believe there was a conspiracy. Mstar: No, it was Prof Plum in the study with the revolver.

quote: The snow storm in Tulsa that vee pee talked about has been proven to be a lie. VP never said there was an actual snowstorm. He said he called the airport and the voice on the other end said there was a snowstorm. VP once said he thought it was an angel saying that for the purpose of keeping him there long enough to meet the guy who led him into tongues.

I do not believe for a moment that Oswald acted alone. There's a lot of suspects: the mob, Castro, the FBI, the CIA, Nixon, LBJ. I have no evidence of this, but I believe J Edgar Hoover gave the order. Why was he assassinated? That would answer a lot of questions. I never saw the JFK movie, but among the bits and pieces of conspiracy info I tend to believe is..... Oswald and Jack Ruby were seen together 2 weeks before the assassination at Ruby's business place the parade route was changed suddenly at the last minute witnesses on the ground heard at least 4 shots Karyn Kupcinet, daughter of Chicago media person Irv Kupcinet, overheard some of Irv's friends discussing the assassination before it happened. She heard enough detail that on the day of the assassination she tried to call Dallas police from a pay phone in LA, where she worked as an actress. But she screwed up the procedure and only the operator heard her say repeatedly, "They're going to kill the president!", and 20 minutes later when they DID kill the president, the operator taped her call and gave it to authorities. Six days later Karyn Kupcinet was found dead. She'd been murdered. Dorothy Kilgallen, syndicated columnist and 'What's My Line' panelist, was found dead under strange circumstances: She openly refuted the Warren Report in her newspaper column. She got to interview Jack Ruby. She had a prescription for seconal (us old hippies called them "reds") yet her autopsy found 3 different barbituates in her system. She had finished taping the What's My Line show on a Sunday night. Had a good night; she personally guessed 2 of the 5 contestants on that show. She came home, seemed peppy, retired to her bedroom, and was found the next day sitting up in bed with her clothes still on. Since she used the seconal to help her sleep, she knew damn well what amount of booze she could mix with it, but if somebody substituted different pills that looked the same in her pill container which was probably in her purse during the taping of the show, then she could have died quickly even without booze. Seems weird to me. Also, John Charles Daly, the show's host, was married to Earl Warren's daughter. there were 103 people including Kupcinet and Kilgallen who died mysterious deaths within ten yrs after the assassination who all had some connection to the case. Very convenient. I'm guessing it was about Vietnam. LBJ sent troops that JFK brought home back to Vietnam 2 weeks after the assassination.

quote: Plan ahead to trade with other believers or friends toys and such materials that are no longer needed but are still in good enough shape to share. OMG! A few weeks back someone posted how they spent $25 each one year on relatives (family of 6) for their Xmas presents only to receive unused Halloween candy in return. I thought that was bizarre THEN and now I can see where the "revelation" came from.

I agree with him. Anybody who'd kill over a cartoon is just plain nuts.

The only "doomsday prediction" I can remember as being taken seriously was that on Oct. 17, 1979 there would be an attempt to take over the government (make slaves out of all believers). I started hearing about this in the spring of that year. something about a GM labor strike that year being part of the plan. I wasn't at AC '79 but the atmosphere there was heavy I heard. Then at the ROA that year, on Wed. of that week VP had everybody go to the main tent at 10AM and made a big deal out of the kidnapping/attempted deprogramming of 7th corps guy Monte Pelto and how he was preparing for "the worst" as far as the government going after TWI. Then on Friday of that week he announced that the FBI were there. He said, "You didn't have to sneak in; I would have sold you a ticket! They think we got guns. Go ahead, tear up all 147 acres if you want. You don't need guns if you got GOD!!!" Cheers erupted. Then shortly after the ROA every twig was told to have a 6 month supply of grain food and no less than a half tank of gas at all times and that we would be given 24 hours of advance notice as to when and where to go. Never happened. My twig leader from that time still has some of the grain food.

I have come to the conclusion that a lot of TWI agendas, whether gender related or not, were in response to something they perceived that "the world" was emphasizing. Example: calling something an "advance" instead of a retreat. I'm not saying these agendas were really necessary; I'm just saying that they were simply trendy agendas, not a big cult conspiracy. In 1993/94 I worked in a warehouse. One day several of us were headed toward the break room. We walked past a girl who was about 19 yrs old, tall, slender, pretty....a GIRL, OK? She had gotten a manual pallet jack stuck in a skid and couldn't pull it out. She was visibly rankled and really embarrassed just because she lacked the physical strength to pull it out. This girl did not strike me as the extreme feminist type, and to this day I can't understand why she felt obligated to have a man's brute strength. Again, a girl felt like she should be like a man. TWI leaders may have felt that some traditional aspects of femininity should be emphasized to counter the world's perversion of femininity, as they saw it. In fact, I heard about a possible attempt to do just THAT, which horribly backfired. Superbowl 12, Jan. 15, 1978, Cowboys/Broncos. The plan was that the 6th and 8th in residence corps at Emporia were going to do this: guys watch the superbowl/ girls do something "feminine" with Donna. Word has it that after the 2 genders went to do that, several women outbursted their displeasure with the arrangement. Donna was ambushed and went crying to LCM. Don't know what the girls ended up doing, but the guys had to listen to a lecture on sensitivity training by LCM and only got to watch the 4th quarter.

Growing up I had a cat. Took some abuse because everybody else in my neighborhood had a dog, but it was OK. Now I have both a cat and a dog. Those two animals in particular seem to know acutely how to involve themselves in many household decisions. I had a guy house sit for us for a week couple years back and he said tongue in cheek that the pets were more of a pain in the butt than our kids. But either or both of those animals is fine.

Convict leader: THAT ain't no way to treat a national treasure! CUT HIM LOOSE! (referring to a man who supposedly had killed 28 people and who seemed like a dweeb) from Conair

Thanks, Moony. Sounds like they were trying to build "New Jerusalem" themselves ahead of time. Reminds me of Diazbro's thread in the open forum about some extreme faction of the Mormon church building their own commune in Texas...Waco Tx part deux or something. Stuff like this even makes TWI HQ seem reasonable.

The rock and the rabbi? Sounds as serious as "Big daddy, jr. and the spook". I was a self proclaimed atheist in HS when JC Superstar came out. I had long black hair (middle of back) and I even got to sing a solo from JC Superstar in choir (Ian Gillian's part in 'Hosanna"). What was weird was, the biggest critics of males with long hair back then were religious people who claimed to love Jesus, yet every picture of Jesus I ever saw had Him with long hair. Too weird.

Last night a couple of Mormon missionaries knocked on our door. 3rd time that's happened in the 6 yrs we've lived here. At the time I was watching Family Feud so I told them thanks but not interested. They were polite.

A year or so before I got in TWI I found a book in my mom's house. Can't remember the name of the book but it was like that newspaper column "News of the Weird". Nothing in there about Navelites, but there was one story about a town called Zion, Illinois, which was basically run by a religious sect. These people supposedly believed that the earth was flat and the sun was 30 miles from the earth and that you could get arrested for swearing on Sunday and that as recently as 1948 the Illinois Highway Patrol would actually warn motorists about this town. I've never heard anything about this town outside of that book. OK, that said, I think it's possible that VPW heard of the Navelites from a similar source and didn't care if it was true or not just because it made such a nice example of the point he was trying to make. But anything's possible. As far as Adam and Eve having navels or not, it makes more sense to me that they DID.

Interesting that Rush Limbaugh said today that HIS private plane is called EIB 1.

Actually, I was referring to the serpent "getting on the wife's case" in order to try to get to Adam. That sounded like what Herbiejuan described. If this still qualifies as a Wiccan promo, so be it.

quote: Jeez, what is it about getting on the wife's case? Genesis 3. quote: Now sometime I'll have to tell you about the time we got into trouble for drinking a little too much of George Jess's homemade wine. I helped in the same way (Xmas party) at Rome City in '85 and '87. No confrontation issues, but there was a container in the main lobby area with STRONG Irish coffee. Wow.

Gasps in the audience when Brokeback Mountain didn't win best pic.

I read a book couple years ago called "All the good ones are married". This lady interviewed 50 love triangles (2 spouses, 1 person which one of the spouses was cheating with). It wasn't all heterosexual either, but one conclusion she came to was that women who are looking to cheat...their first choice is a married man because they felt married men were less likely to be impotent or twisted. Also, that for men, cheating was largely an ego thing and that's why men are more likely to get caught than women. I think ideally it shouldn't happen, but yeah, if someone's really miserable in a relationship and divorce is the LAST option, then of course they're going to consider it. I've never cheated on my wife and to my knowledge she hasn't either.

WW: I doubt if that would've messed HIM up; he was an exception to the rule in some ways. I've come to the conclusion that MOST of the time when i and e are next to each other in a proper name the second of the 2 is the one pronounced. Examples: EInstEIn, wIErwille. Got another exception to the i before e rule; leisure.