johniam

There's a corps forum and pretty much all the earlier corps (pre fog years) are represented. Might try there.

Good. One more thing to disdain Freud about.

Where was the photo taken that has 3 people walking along white sand? That scene reminds me of Lake Michigan beach area around Holland, MI. Neato!

Hmm. Irisheyes are definitely not smiling. The key word in my post is "trusted". Sometimes trust is immediate, as in trusting that your car can make it between two objects. Other times it is long range, as in trusting the same person or organization to service your car or something like that. Summed up in a few words? What was I supposed to do, write a full biography on these 2 people? I trust God's word and other people who do the same more than I trust the wisdom of men. Those people are not just dispensing meds; there's a whole belief system behind that crap. I even think it was criminal for that doctor to prescribe the handful of meds the 42 year old had to take twice a day. That guy was a great believer; had a big heart for God. Dead at 42. You think that's normal? You think that was God's will? To be fair, I do know a man who takes some kind of prescription medication for depression. He seems fine. If you think I'm one of those people who is always criticizing other peoples' "lack of believing" as a value judgement, no way. There are many viewpoints here. I'm not saying mine is the only one, I'm saying I trust God more than I trust the lucrative AMA. Some self serving men may have been in the place that taught me the word of God, but their self serving actions don't trump God himself. Like I say...whom do you trust?

I had 2 believer friends who trusted "professional" people who put them on medication rather than having believers pray for them. They're both dead. One at 42 the other at 54, both from complications with their meds. No thanks.

Goey: When my kids were under 10 my wife and I would regularly (at least once per month)take them to restaurants for the purpose of teaching them that there's a different set of rules for behavior in someone else's place than there is at home. We felt it was successful. I don't know if that family man had a similar strategy, but he not only proved to his young kids that there's different rules for different places, but he also proved that just because someone is adult age doesn't mean they are mature, which is something that's GOT to confuse kids at some point. Samm's sounds like a good restaurant. Do they serve grits with jalapeno peppers in them? Kidding.

quote: I had a total hysterectomy less than a month after I turned 40...which abruptly threw me into menopause...which screwed with me big time... And your husband's still alive?? When I think of midlife crisis I think of that movie "American Beauty". Kevin Spacey's character is 42 and he 1) quits his 60K per year sales job and then gets a job as a fast food worker with as little responsibility as possible, 2) starts buying marijuana from the teenage kid next door, 3) gets the hots for the cookie cutter blonde bimbo cheerleader friend of his daughter's, and 4) would rather masturbate than have sex with his wife who is still quite attractive (Annette Biening [sp] ). I know midlife crisis is different for men than for women but after seeing that movie, despite all the obvious stereotyping, I just can't take aging too seriously as long as I have health. I don't have any "rosebuds" that I know of (to borrow a phrase from another movie). There is nothing that eats away at me because I didn't do it when I was younger. I just feel that while I have health that NOW is the time to plan stuff like travel or anything I still might enjoy while I'm alive.

While we're on the subject, Ricky Horton, former relief pitcher for the Cards and Dodgers, and current analyst for the station that does weekend Cardinal games, offered this take on why the American League is winning so much in interleague games. "It all points to one man: George Steinbrenner. He is committed to paying lots of money to field the best possible team for his Yankees. Therefore, the other American League teams know that if they want to have any shot at all to compete with the Yankees, they have to also be committed to making their teams as good as they can. So chalk it up to old fashioned American capitalism."

quote: Isn't it just the same thing in different clothing if twi material is taught? It's not just the material; it's also who teaches it and who else listens to it. Some first grade teachers are more abusive than others. Some first grade classes have less bullies than others. Either ways you're stuck with whoever you were stuck with. True, you HAVE to sit through first grade even if you're home schooled but you don't have to sit through TWI or church, but aren't the same overall politics in place no matter who teaches you what? There's a lot of "revisionist history" going on here. People who in TWI were genuinely delivered from bad stuff yet now they claim TWI screwed up their whole lives. quote: Im sorry but why would God NEED hands and eyes or any body part? to do his job? 1 Cor. 12:18 - but now hath God set the members every one of them in the body as it hath pleased Him. Ask Him.

Yeah, Walter's still pretty cool from what I've heard.

Here, Here! They don't call it CULTure for nothing.

Yeah, that's me. Unproductive evil. That's why they kicked me out.

"appropriately offended" I like that.

Well I guess I'll chime in about my poor Cardinals. They have now lost 8 (all interleague) in a row yet they are STILL in 1st place in their division by a game and a half. At this point I think the National League should just forfeit the All Star game and get some rest and/or therapy. God, these American League teams are killing us. The Cards have to prove they can win or at least play well in October. They've won 205 games the 2 previous regular seasons and have nothing to show for it. Fans around the country are probably thinking "either .... or get off the pot" and are sick of hearing about them all the time. Pujols, Rolen, and Eckstein are hitting great. Even the platoon players Luna and Taguchi are hitting quite respectively. Their pitching is Jeckyl and Hyde. Even Carpenter is good one game, gets his head handed to him the next. Edmonds has definitely lost a step, both hitting and fielding. Next year the team has to either pay him another 10 mill or buy him out and try to renegotiate. I'm guessing they'll do the latter. It has been good for Edmonds to be on the Cardinals. When he was with the Angels it seemed like if they didn't win he was blamed for it. When he first got to STL McGwire was here and now Albert is, so JE doesn't have to be "the man"; he can just do what he does without that added pressure. He likes playing under La Russa so hopefully they'll work something out. If the Cardinals do manage to make the playoffs this year maybe they can play well too. Hey mstar. What's up with Bronson Arroyo? He not only looks like Curt Cobain but he looks stoned too. What do you know about him. Sure is pitching good.

quote: Part of the insanity of my childhood was to tell us kids that we'd go to jail if we didn't behave...and they'd drive us by the juvenile facilities and show us exactly what they meant...and that they'd actually do it. Once my grandmother even put me out of the car in front of the place for girls and left me standing there to 'think about' what I'd done. We had no doubt in our minds that every time we heard a siren, they were coming after us for something we thought we got away with doing. It was very frightening Wow! Comparmentalized hell. Don't merely tell kids they'll go to hell if they're bad, TAKE THEM THERE! "Someday, all of this will be YOUR'S!"

This doesn't have anything directly to do with chain gangs, but I recall a routine Richard Pryor did where he said that his movie "Bustin' Loose" was filmed in an actual prison in Arizona. At first he wondered why there are no black people who actually live in Arizona, yet there were 20,000 of them in this prison. He wondered what was up with that. Then he said he got to talk with some of the inmates. One conversation went like this... RP: What are you in for? man: I killed my family. RP: Why? man: Cause dey was home. All of a sudden he was glad there was a penitentiary for these individuals. Never been in a maximum security prison, but I'd want to do some work if I was. Sure, chain gangs are humiliating, but so is prison itself. I'd be scared if I was manacled next to the prison nutcase, though.

Wow. After reading this whole thread some things come to mind. quote: HA! Was I surprised several years later when I was in the WC and we were taught the "hygenical way to wipe your behind!"....for those of you who don't know.....front to back, people...front to back....LOL! Well no wonder they finally kicked me out. They just knew by revelation I was doing it back to front. 4 sheets???? In their dreams! It occurs to me that even physical work can be done best by people who have the spirit of God. That guy in the OT, Bezaleel who made stuff for Moses; he had the spirit of God. So did Nehemiah and probably most or all of those that rebuilt the wall around Jerusalem in 52 days. In Acts there are records of men of God doing physical jobs to bless people. (Acts 6:1-5) Sounds to me like there was poor supervision over those who did bad quality work on staff. I guess if you're really believing God you don't need to follow up on those you supervise. Linda. Wasn't the LA Free Press an underground publication like the Berkeley Barb? As an incredulous 16 yr old I went to City Lights bookstore in SF near the intersection of Columbus and Broadway. All I bought from there was Zap comix I think, but that was quite an atmosphere. Slight derail, sorry.

Yesterday I was listening to the radio and one news item was a study which concluded that close friendships are not near as common as they were 2 decades ago. So it's possibly not just TWI. When I think back on friends I've had, it seems that as a child, most friendships were formed by mutually figuring out how to best deal with what the adults were making us do. Going to the same school or church may have been required to meet the friend, but nature took its course after that. But as an adult, pretty much all my friendships were precipitated by a common interest: music, drugs, TWI. This explains to me why despite having many friends as a child, I now have 1 friend from that era with whom I still am in contact. That friend was a drug friend and is a Christian (non TWI) and we like a lot of the same music. I don't believe there is any such thing as a "friendship spirit" that hovers over the earth and magically makes people become friends; friends are made by people for their own mutual convenience. Come as you are as you were as I want you to be as a friend as an old enemy, take your time hurry up choice is yours don't be late as a friend as an old memory Come doused in mud soaked in bleach as I want you to be as a trend as a friend as an old memory.

I remember just before we left TWI the twig cordo would occasionally bark out that this is NOT a social hour. Then Craig would say, "I think when some people hear love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation, they think it means love of PEOPLE in the renewed ...etc." So if you like being around people you might not be in fellowship with God, huh? Unless of course the PEOPLE are the leadership. That logic is so air tight it's suffocating. What? So I have to go to the world, the unbelievers if I want to have a "social hour"??? I don't think one needs a bible or the spirit of God or a leadership name tag to figure out that humans are social beings and need to socialize with different people even than just those in the fellowship. About the iron sharpens iron thing: iron doesn't have nerve endings or sensitive areas inside. It's OK for iron to be regularly sharpened. People are different. I think the application of iron sharpening iron is broader than just among believers. Let's say you have a job you like and every day when you arrive you're at the workplace, with the same people, doing the same team work and just being in that atmosphere helps get you in your work rhythm. I believe THAT is an example of iron sharpening iron. You don't need to get chewed out every day in order to do your best work. That verse about iron sharpens iron says that a person is improved by the countenance of his friend. Not the reproof of his friend. Psalm 133:1 used to be the theme verse for way homes. Behold how good and how pleasant it is for bretheren to dwell together in unity. Nothing in there about constant reproof.

For me it was like being in a greenhouse. Taken out of the world, put in a controlled environment until I was strong enough to deal with the world, then back in the world with much better results.

Sing it Dave (former group) ha ha ha ha.

The song was called "Country in my veins". I'm going from memory, but... chorus - There ain't nothin' wrong with hank Williams Jr. Roy Acuff never drove no one insane but those Rolling stones, they're enough to make your blood run cold I thank God that I've got country in my veins I can't remember all the verses. Something about Minnie Pearl in there somewhere.

Wow. I know someone who was adopted and recently met his real parents. He said he was glad he got to do that. Different kind of closure, maybe, but I'm sure it felt good. I'm happy for you.

quote: But I have to know, are there some here at G.S. that would be so upset I opposed these points that I would get flamed in a post here? I was planning on discussing them in the Doctinal area later this year. Sure you'll get opposition, but if you post something that disagrees with VPW here, they'll probably make you poster of the month. Some of those people you mentioned don't sound like the kind of friends I'd want to keep.

Trust is not much of an issue for me. I know 1 poster personally and 1 other poster knows my home address. My purpose for posting on GSC is to say what I couldn't easily say while in TWI, mostly about TWI related issues. I don't really WANT to know too many people personally, although I pretty much trust that the people who post on here are truly ex way people. Why would anyone want to fake that?