johniam

Kaline could have played longer but he had a different attitude than most players today. He wanted to get his 3000th hit before he retired so he wouldn't take any more money from the club. He was making $100,000.00 per year his last few years with the club. That's too much. He got his hit at Baltimore, his home town and ended up with 3008 career hits.

This reminds me of a joke... (a burglar is inside a house and about to do his thing) voice: Jesus is watching you. burglar: (freezes, then shakes it off and goes back to what he was doing) voice: Jesus is watching you. burglar: (shines flashlight in corner of room revealing a bird cage; walks over to cage, sees bird) Who are you? parakeet: Moses. burglar: Moses? What kind of weirdo would name a parakeet Moses? parakeet: Oh, probably the same weirdo that would name a 140 lb. rotweiller Jesus.

I have my wow handbook from 77/78 and there's no art in it.

I suspected some of you might know that. That was a question posed during a nationally televised game years ago. I couldn't figure it out and it was challenging trying to assemble possible candidates. Al Kaline played as a teenager, but retired just shy of his 40th birthday. Not many teens get a prominent start in the majors any more. The last one I can remember is Dwight Gooden. I recall LCM making a big deal out of Rusty Staub being gay. He knocked in 120 plus RBIs in 1978 for the Tigers and Sparky still had him traded before the start of the next season. Makes you wonder. No, I'm not going to any of the games, unless somebody dumps a hell of a surprise on me. I hear that standing room only tickets cost over $400.00 for the WS. To think that field box seats at Tiger stadium cost $4.00 in the 60s. This series feels weird. The Cardinals might not win, but they just don't seem as vulnerable as they did in '04. Hey, turn the page.

quote: up until a certain time that I can't remember, they tried to use one ball in the game. I can only imagine what deformities those balls featured. didn't stop Ty Cobb, Josh Gibson, or the Babe. In Ty Cobb's autobiography, he used several pages to cover this; not only did MLB try to make one ball last 4 games on average (compared to 60 per game today), but pitchers were allowed to put anything they wanted to on the surface of the baseball. They just couldn't puncture the surface. So players would put files in their gloves so they could puncture the surface between innings while the infielders were taking turns throwing the ball to first base. Ty wasn't too shook about it. Interesting that ESPN contacted Gaylord Perry for his take on the situation. I have a trivia question. Ty Cobb was one of 2 major league players who hit home runs both as a teenager and as a forty something. The other is now retired, but he played during our lifetimes. Who is he?

Hmm. No devil. No sin. I also thought it interesting that one of the cult experts seems to think that a true man of God is supposed to serve the downtrodden.

Fossilized? "Help I'm a rock! Help I'm a rock! It's a drag being a rock. I'd almost want to be a cop than to be a rock. Help I'm a cop! Help I'm a cop!"

quote: Just when I think I'm "over it," I see something like that letter from HA to Bo and my blood begins to boil all over again. That letter from HA was dated 1997. In 1994 at the last ROA I attended, LCM was dissing Bo during his teaching one night. He had just said that Bo requested in a letter to be allowed to come on grounds. So LCM says, "I wrote back and said Dear Bo not available. Come on grounds??? What is this, 6 flags over the way????" What a joik!

I'm pretty sure Donnie Fugit was in the zero corps. VP caught him smoking a joint in the way woods once during the zero corps training period. He ended up in the 5th corps. I heard that George Jess had to talk VP into trying again with the corps program.

Hmm. I always thought that each person has a dominant hemisphere which handles language functions and a non dominant hemisphere which handles intuition and perception. Most people are "right brain dominant" but some are "left brain dominant". I can't remember much specifics, but this was supposed to explain why people were left handed or whatever. I write left handed with my hand curved. My 5th grade teacher thought that was wrong and tried to force me to write the other way. Idiot! Because of people like her I'm middle finger brain dominant to this day with some authority figures. I write, throw, bat, and bowl left handed, but I golf, play guitar, and throw a frisbee right handed. I have no idea why.

Wow. Almost looked like a video game. Environmentalists are probably saying that it was the lightning that got struck by the minivan.

quote: ultimately, it's all about the fact that, according to people with first-hand knowledge, he's not to be trusted. do you really want to be involved with, learn from, give money to or in any way support someone who's proven himself to be so thoroughly despicable? Well, I go to a fellowship full of people who have had personal experiences with CG who respect him. quote: Whats wrong? *the word* as a product for a business would lack in the understanding, love, and compassion that is necessary as an honest representative for God... I happened to see Orel Roberts on the Donahue show in the 80s and those crazies were giving him the same treatment. Donahue asked him why he charged money for his hospital. Orel said dryly that it'd be pretty hard to pay the electric bills without money. God, they flamed that poor man. Hey, Rascal, how about the Nelson or Cambridge bible publishing companies? Do those companies provide "understanding, love, and compassion" to the churches and other places they supply with their bibles? No, but SOMEBODY does, right? Well, hopefully.

Yeah, that should be a good game. Where is it being played this year?

quote: You're telling me that he has no responsibility for what he's written? Please clarify. He DID clarify it; he pointed out that the guy who wrote "Purpose driven life" is not responsible for what might go on in churches that sell the book or even teach from it. Is Nietchze (sp) responsible for what Hitler did? quote:but he's running a business, NOT a ministry So. Some of the trinitarian type critics of TWI used to say that you can't learn about Jesus in a classroom. Same argument. Again, I say, "Why not???" If Jesus or Paul or Martin Luther had access to computers and mass production and other stuff ushered in by the 20th century technology they would have used them. What's wrong with VP moving the word through a class? What's wrong with CG moving the word through a business?

quote: Since you mentioned it, I think there are some great G**r fellowships, and some really bad ones. It all depends on the felllowship coordinator. I agree. That's kind of what I meant when I said CG wasn't trying to be the MOG. I never see him. Never met him. He does not lord over me. I'm told that only 15% of abs goes to him as opposed to the 85% that went to HQ in TWI. Every time we have a class, or a big fellowship abs money pays for the food, room rental, whatever. Isn't that how it should be?

quote: Not accusing you, my friend, not at all. But if people are gong to be hypocrites, you don't want to keep that a secret, do you? So why the need for sooooooo many secrets. I seem to remember JC calling a few people hypocrites. Wonder why he didn't brush it under the carpet. Hmmmmm, makes you think, doesn't it? Hypocrisy is no secret. Everybody is capable of it (Romans 7:15-25). Did JC expose EVERY act of hypocrisy? My experience with a CG fellowship has been good.

quote: seriously, johniam, is the "veil" down in cg fellowships? do they/you talk about the transgressions? are they/you VP worshippers? why do you suppose so many people here have had negative experiences with people involved with a cg fellowship? i'd really like to hear from you on this. my only experience was with cg himself via the mail in 1987, and it wasn't positive. so i'd like to hear about your experience with a cg group. Sprawled, I didn't used to believe there was any truth to the accusations of adultery I'd heard simply because all the women who came forward didn't do so until after VP fell asleep. The accusations all seemed a little too convenient. I went to a John Hendricks fellowship for awhile and JH, who was in the 4th corps (trained at HQ), said it was true but that he felt this did not invalidate the word VP taught. Couple years ago I had a falling out with leadership in the JH group. At first I was going to have my family join a church, but a CG guy I've known for 25 years happened to call me about something unrelated to the word and one thing led to another and now my family goes to the CG fellowship. It was awkward at first because I heard nothing but bad things about CG from LCM, from JH, and from GSC. But so far it's been great. To answer your questions, the leaders of the fellowshiip don't discuss the transgressions during fellowships, but they know about them (don't deny them) and acknowledge them. This struck me as weird because there was a poster who went ballistic a year or so ago over the things said about VP who once went to the same fellowship I currently go to. I don't think he can post anymore. But the people I fellowship with feel as I do and as JH did, that whatever VP did doesn't invalidate the word he taught. As to whether we are "VP worshippers", Many here on GSC would say yes, but I don't see it that way. People who worshipped pagan gods in the OT did so expecting them to give the increase. Baal was a weather god and the baal worshippers did their song and dance to get it to rain, remember? Dagon was a fish god the Philistines worshipped. Their chief cities were Mediterranian ports so they expected Dagon to cause them to catch a lot of fish. I never expected VP to give the increase in my life. Or any of the rock bands I've been accused of worshipping. God's the one who does that. If you think the fact that I still respect VPs teaching constitutes worship, then so be it. I just don't see it that way. Just like with VP, I can't say that just because my own experience with VP/CG has been good that others did not have bad experiences. Pinklady's story sounds very, uh, combustible. I don't speak for those people and they don't speak for me. My CG fellowship experience has been good.

That thread was on GSC and Satori started it if that's any help.

quote: I think the veil is still up and in operation with the G**r group, certain things have never been identified nor addressed, and that is why many of their fellowship are stale and stagnant to this day, they are in the house but with all the windows closed and the drapes drawn, someone needs to open a window and let some light in. They have never moved beyond the day of the reading of POP, and have not cleaned the house thoroughly enough. Discussion of the former transgressions of twi and BOT is discouraged, and so most do not even know of the widespread adultery or of Dr's lifestyle and G**r's involvement in such practices. If you approached them on such subject matter, they probably would accuse you of harshing their believing buzz, to say the least. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. I go to a CG fellowship. There's plenty of agape there. But who needs the love of God when you can talk about VPs dick. Oh. What's the matter? Am I harshing your VP bashing buzz?

quote: So, my friends, where did the Devil come from? I heard he was from New Jersey. Naw, according to Procol Harum he came from Kansas.

I'm familiar with Sidney and Kearny. When I lived in MI I hitch hiked to San Francisco and back several times in the early 70s. Most of that route was I80. Those 2 cities are toward the western end of the state if I remember right. One neat thing about being a wow was that you were sort of a ministry celebrity for that year. Every branch, limb, or SNS meeting I ever saw/heard they would have the wows stand up and officially recognize them and people would clap. But wow was like a rite of passage. Once you were done you were "experienced". And if it was a bad experience, you probably didn't stay around much longer.

quote: Did anybody actually do this schedule? Not me. My family was in a small town so we weren't watched very closely. We heard once that the average wow in our state witnessed 1 hour per day. Late in the year one of the girls got kicked off the program for, uh, indiscretions, and THEN we witnessed together every hour possible for the rest of the year. I still say that the most noticeable result of WOW was not outreach, but rather that the people who went WOW would see what they were in for and to decide if they wanted to stay in the ministry or no. LCM once lamented that the "dropout rate" in the ministry was highest during the year after the wow year. He thought that was a bad thing. I think it was a good thing. Nobody gets blessed if you stay in TWI because you think you have to. Not you or anybody who is around you.

quote: I think the reason I found this doctrine so seductive is that I had had it drilled into my head since childhood that I really wasn't good enough for God to do anything for me. BINGO!!!!! Naw, TL, you're good enough, I didn't mean that. But VP grew up in an environment where many felt unworthy to ask God for stuff that was OK to ask for. VP wanted to reverse that.

quote: Where or when does the extra 13 years date them back to? When Mr. Wierwille graduated from seminary? I don't know off the top of my head, but it couldn't be too hard to find. Wonder what the explanation for this one is? ` This is just a guess. Wasn't it Oct of '42 that VP heard God speak audibly to him which led to PFAL etc. OK. I just checked and in the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel those books begin with either visions of God or the word of the Lord came to...So possibly VP wanted to date the beginning of TWI with when the word of the Lord came to him.

Yeah, D, thanks. I suspected they would harmonize. As they finished the anthem (of the sun?) the camera was on Dusty Baker who was smiling. Barry Bonds and Matt Williams were on camera shortly after. That was Dusty's 1st season as Giant's manager. They won 103 games that year yet missed the playoffs. Sadly, the guy on the left, Vince Welnick, recently killed himself. Some of the search hits I found about him say he was bar none the best musician the dead ever had. He seemed to be directing traffic immediately before they started singing.