johniam

quote: The only way it makes sense, is that it wasn't from God at all So you're admitting that twi needs to be bad. One man's sins overthrow the savior from sin? Jesus died in vain? There is condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus? Christ's resurrection accomplished nothing? Christ isn't coming back? All because one guy sinned 2000 years after we were sealed till the day of redemption? Yeah, I'm lazy all right. Like the bumper sticker says: I may be slow, but I'm ahead of you.

quote: Again, not to defend VP, but he was a "complier" more than an originator. Sign of the times. Well, I liked his compilations.

quote: For some perhaps. I don't paint all psychologists or therapists as evil though.. I'm sure many have been helped by therapy and many people who become therapists really want to do good. I think many professional fields have that danger in them. Lawyers are like auto mechanics in that, nobody wants to spend the money; it usually means trouble, but if you NEED either of those 2, no substitute will do. Not so psychotherapists. Modern day psychoanalysis is basically a counterfeit of religion, IMO. Freud had many bigotted things to say about all religion and that was from just one essay of his I read. Those people have to hunt for their prey more than lawyers and auto mechanics, who can predictably wait for people to come to them, although those 2 can also be corrupt.

I think psychotherapy IS twi for those people. It's all hind sight, but I'm glad I had twi instead of psychotherapy.

Wordwolf: You're right BTW. I DO have issues with the psychology/psychiatry industry. IMO that's the most successful scam of the 20th century. VP did say some things in pfal about it. He said the bible was better psychology than anything else and he said that 85% of inmates of mental institutions were Christians. (Dr. Mengela LIVES!) If VP said anything else about it I don't recall. But my issues are from further study and personal experience. There was not much available to help people who were genuinely mentally ill in the 1800s. So some were treated cruelly. The name Dorothea Dix comes up in my memory. Can't remember exactly what she did. Freud was a pioneer. But now it's a billion dollar industry. They need job security and if there aren't any genuinely mentally ill people they will MAKE them. They make them by a) messing them up by what they tell them so their patients will have to keep on coming back to them and never be cured (assuming they really had any problems before beginning therapy), and b) giving them drugs they will have to take for the rest of their life. Heroin dealers are more humane than some of those doctors IMO. Like I said, they need their job security and routinely go hunting for it....from you and me. Nice. More than 10 yrs ago Jean and I locked horns with an overly aggressive social worker. We had our children at home with a midwife. Still had to deal with social workers. They didn't like people having their kids at home so they tried to hijack our family. We called a lawyer. The lawyer we called is now a juvenile court judge appointed by the governor himself. She had experience with that social worker. Called her "rabid". I kid you not. The social worker wanted me and Jean to have a psych evaluation. We called the lawyer again. I told her I didn't want the psych evaluation because I knew that no matter what I said they could make me ANYTHING from perfectly normal to borderline psychotic. Like I said, it's a scam job. Didn't have to go. Very soon afterward, social worker out of our lives. And you are correct in assuming that we used every resistance tactic dealing with the social worker that we use here when harassed. BTW, that comment I made to you on the other page was out of line. I apologize. I admit I don't have the stamina (or the time) to directly address EVERYTHING you post. So I don't. I just don't agree with where you're coming from most of the time. quote: Doesn't it have to stop somewhere? Yeah, but why me? Why does the man always have to be the bigger person?

All right . I've erased it. Not going to do Rascal much good since you and Doojable have pasted it. quote: you know how to take your own wounds and disappointments and, rather than seeking to understand them and heal, craft them into a knife to slash at your fellow Christian, and pretend THEY have something to do with all that anger caged up under the surface. You know how to spew insults on the electronic page. In those 2 skills, BTW, you exceed the abilities of every Christian I interact with, all over. Why does it have to be some deep rooted crap? Why can't it just be that I don't like the way she posts? She doesn't like the way I post, does she?

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You first, Rascal!

quote: Having possesion of the ephod simply meant that David had exercised his authority to do so. It did not make him a priest. I never said he was a priest. What authority did David have at that time? He was a fugitive Saul wanted dead. My point was that he was OK with God and that if God could give direct info to him, then he was definitely a spiritual guy. David got more print than anybody in the OT except possibly Moses and Abraham. That is significant, IMO. As for the thread, comparing VP to David is valid if David was the real deal.

Rascal: So you were referring to whitedove's post and not mine? OK, I was mistaken. Doojable: quote: And if you think that statement is a "clubbing into submission" then I'd say you need to get a thicker skin. Someone once said, "Dead as a door stop...or is it nail? STOP NAILING ME!!!" I can relate.

quote: Guys ...there is a REASON why your opinion is in the minority here..... I think that somebody earlier called this a *coping* or *defense* mechanism. Guys, consider yourselves clubbed into submission.

quote: I wanted to revisit this again. I am still waiting to see where the Bible says anything about men viewing David as a spiritual leader and not a king. Samuel and Nathan, yes. David was a military leader - not a self-proclaimed prophet or a God proclaimed prophet. Knew it was in here; just took time to find it. 1 Chronicles 8:14 - and he appointed according to the order of David his father, the courses of the priests to their service, and the Levites to their charges, to praise and minister before the priests, as the duty of every day required; the porters also by their courses at every gate: for so had David the man of God commanded. There aren't that many men who are actually called a man of God in scripture. There's also scripture that says God told David how to prevail in combat right in the thick of the action. So put all that together and David had to be recognized as a spiritual man. He wore many hats too. I agree that there was some kind of checks and balances system so that no ONE person was the only spiritual authority.

quote: I will say only this John. You are a sick man with a huge problem with women. I don't know who did this to you because your wife seems like such a sweet strong lady. That phrase I used, "emotionally out of control"...I think some of you think it's a redundant statement. Emotionally...? Out of control...? You only needed to say it once, John, hee hee. Like they mean the same thing. If men lose control of THEIR emotions, gawd, lock them up and throw away the key, but women...? Hey, we're "blessed", we're "emotional creatures", we can do whatever we want, right? All my life I"ve been brainwashed to buy into this: snaps and snails and puppy dog tails compared to sugar and spice and everything nice. ROTFLMAOPIMP!!! Or how about...sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me. Sticks and stones symbolizing physical force (mens' strength), and names symbolizing verbal communication/abuse (womens' strength). Very subtle. I dare say that each of you if you were to think of the most scarring things that ever happened to you, it would be what someone SAID more than what someone DID. Even my mom used to play games with my head. She says when I'm 10 or so that Shakespeare wrote, "Hell hath no fury greater than a man scorned". She knew the truth. You women enjoy a sizeable advantage over us men here. Enjoy it. I posted this on another thread, but just for the record, Jean really has been laughing all night off and on over Suneisis' remark about "that's what happens when a woman submits to a man who hates women" or what ever it was.

quote: None of us are free If one of us is chained None of us are free--------------------(Nann, Weil, Russell) John 8:32 - and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free...Jesus Interesting that this verse is in the context of a heated discussion.

I'm in the zoo. I'm walking through at my own pace and you guys are the animals snarling at us from your cages. Very entertaining. But I'm free and you guys are in cages. Enjoy.

quote: He certainly wouldn't fog issues with vague insults meant to add irrelevant digressions, when we're discussing those who committed offences against the little ones. If it's so irrelevant hows come you had to pounce on it?

Hallelujia!

That's why your screen name is listener, and not looker. We're just posting our opinions and we aren't interested in your power for abundant bashing class.

I've been "shaking things up" off and on for 7 years. You ever notice that if you see a fight in progress you can't determine who really started it? What you're telling me is that I'm better at expressing my view which disagrees with the 'mainstream' than others who slink away when the pressure comes. There are other posters like me. This website, especially in this forum, is dominated by emotionally out of control women who believe it is their birthright to 'club men into submission'. Men like me who resist this are targetted and labelled immediately. I can't shake up that which is already shook up. Some men here function as stooges. An articulate stooge is a stooge, nonetheless.

This is jeaniam I never called any one a liar except perhaps you. And if you DO want me to look at your "evidence", insulting me is probably not a good approach. And tell a few of your friends not to fantasize about what they would like to do to my daughter under the guise of "this is what VPW would have done", speaking of perverts.

wordwolf you wouldn't know Jesus if he sat on your face and farted.

Whatsamatter wordwolf. Can't sell your "class" either?

quote: Sorry, sometimes the old wounds do bleed don't they? When I get like this I read this verse: II Thes 2:6 And if it seems a righteous thing before the presence of God, He will recompense tribulation to those who oppress you. Knowing that He has my back in the end helps. Now THAT'S refreshing to see! I'll paste it again. quote: Sorry, sometimes the old wounds do bleed don't they? When I get like this I read this verse: II Thes 2:6 And if it seems a righteous thing before the presence of God, He will recompense tribulation to those who oppress you. Knowing that He has my back in the end helps. I'm NOT being sarcastic. Our hope covers more than just eternal life. That's beautiful. At least, it's better than the attitude of "I'm a victim so I get to judge and spew venom on everybody that doesn't sympathize with me the way I want them to". Sure glad Jesus doesn't have that attitude.

quote: I do not believe that you are honest jean. There were a lot of people that took you at face value when you said that you wanted the truth. There were alot of people that took the time and effort to write what happened to them. You have decided that it is simply *uninteresting*. It would have been more honest for you to have simply said *My mind is made up...DON`T confuse me with the facts* Then nobody would have wasted their time. Sounds like conditional love to me. People come on GSC and you love bomb them with "Hi how are ya welcome to the spot your input is valuable you seem like an intelligent person blah blah blah" but after awhile then it's time to get serious and if someone "doesn't want the class" then they're a waste of your time. Even the most blatant examples of this from TWI days were more gracious than that.

quote: I'm starting to think Johniam, Jeaniam and Lone Wolf are all one and the same. Nice conspiracy theory, but...no. quote: Jean (and John) -- Before this turns into even more of a fiasco, I hope you don't consider me part of the *Thought Police*. Not at all.