johniam

quote: I've met guys like that, and the real problem in their families was not the woman nagging but the man not participating in the relationship in any real sense. women usually nag because they're left on their own emotionally and the man is not a friend in any sense of the word. I'm surprised I didn't pick up on this before. Women USUALLY nag?????? You're not just making a personal observation; you're speaking for women in general. To nag means to scold or find fault with continually. That constitutes abuse. It's being deliberately verbally/emotionally abusive for the purpose of coercing, harassing, or intimidating the man into giving in and doing it your way, whatever it is. So it's OK for women to be abusive (for a good reason), but it's not OK for a man to be physically abusive (for a good reason). Nice double standard. This isn't like playing golf, where it's understood that you can play off the ladies tee, which is closer to the green. This is life. This is a heart issue. You obviously think that being a woman entitles you to disdain and abuse men at your pleasure. You think you're better than we are, special, elite. We deserve to be abused by you just "because", right? Well, if you can say, "women usually nag because..." then I can say, "men usually hit because....". It's no different. Any differences are merely discrimination against men; in the laws, in your mind, wherever. Thank you for admitting that you have a double standard and that you think women are deserving and men just aren't human enough to handle it, or whatever.

quote: after all, the most important thing is to prove what a man you are by putting her in her place without having to spend any time talking things out as friends! Awww, sweet potato. This was an email I got. My wife is the one who pointed it out to me. She thinks it's funny. I just thought this thread needed a hug.

In a related story... One evening last week, my girlfriend and I were getting into bed. Well, the passion starts to heat up, and she eventually says, "I don't feel like it, I just want you to hold me." I said, "WHAT??!! What was that?!" So she says the words that every boyfriend on the planet dreads to hear... "You're just not in touch with my emotional needs as a woman enough for me to satisfy your physical needs as a man." She responded to my puzzled look by saying, "Can't you just love me for who I am and not what I do for you in the bedroom?" Realizing that nothing was going to happen that night, I went to sleep. The very next day I opted to take the day off of work to spend time with her. We went out to a nice lunch and then went shopping at a big, big unnamed department store. I walked around with her while she tried on several different very expensive outfits. She couldn't decide which one to take, so I told her we'd just buy them all. She wanted new shoes to compliment her new clothes, so I said, "Lets get a pair for each outfit." We went on to the jewelry department where she picked out a pair of diamond earrings. Let me tell you... she was so excited. She must have thought I was one wave short of a shipwreck. I started to think she was testing me because she asked for a tennis bracelet when she doesn't even know how to play tennis. I think I threw her for a loop when I said, "That's fine, honey." She was almost nearing sexual satisfaction from all of the excitement. Smiling with excited anticipation, she finally said, "I think this is all dear, let's go to the cashier." I could hardly contain myself when I blurted out, "No honey, I don't feel like it." Her face just went completely blank as her jaw dropped with a baffled, "WHAT?" I then said, "Honey! I just want you to HOLD this stuff for a while. You're just not in touch with my financial needs as a man enough for me to satisfy your shopping needs as a woman." And just when she had this look like she was going to kill me, I added, "Why can't you just love me for who I am and not for the things I buy you?" Apparently I'm not having sex tonight either....but at least that woman knows I'm smarter than her.

quote: Clout? What do you mean? Here's what I said: Let's see. I want to shut Johniam up and I can't think of any way to do it according to THIS thread, so...HEY! I'll bring up something from a 2 1/2 year old thread that has nothing to do with this thread. Yeah, THAT'll shut him up. No it won't. quote: John Have you ever heard of the word adoption? quote: johniam... I believe this is the part where you apologize... and hopefully learn something from it (this time). You guys are really missing my whole point. I couldn't care less about Danny's daughter or how she became his daughter or whatever; I'm saying how does it feel when someone takes info YOU posted on here and twists it into something unflattering? That's what Danny did and apparently he STILL doesn't get it.

Couple days ago on the radio there was this black state senator who plans on introducing a bill in which the state of MO formally apologizes to black people for slavery. It was talk radio, so people called in. Some agreed, some disagreed, and the senator said he refused to "get over it" for the same idealistic reasons which can be seen here. It struck me then that if one refuses to get over something then they will surely "stay under it". On this thread we've now got Oakspear admitting he feels entitled to bring up my posts as clout any time he feels like it, and cman wants me arrested for posting my opinion like he thinks it's red China or nazi Germany. Just the mere knowledge that I have certain opinions is justification for derailing any thread, making up any slander, lashing out at any other poster who disagrees with you...????? Danny has posted that he was born in '55 and that he has a 36 year old daughter. That means he got someone pregnant when he was 15. Not really a big deal in and of itself, but how much soap opera material could I infer from that? How many lewd scenerios could I speculate just from that small window of info? This place isn't going to be much fun anymore if too many posters do what he did.

quote: The bait was for a spade to show his true colors. He did. Did you get caught up in it also? Maybe you don't like my tactic. Maybe someone doesn't like yours. Are you going to tell the teacher on me? Prov. 30:33 - surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood; so the forcing of wrath bringeth forth strife Satisfied, Danny?

I actually know a believer who got pulled over and told the cop "I'm a son of God". The cop answered "I don't care if you're a son of a bitch, License and registration, please". He did NOT get a ticket. No reason means no reason. We see it on TV enough times; a man gets to the point emotionally where frequently he'll come home drunk and she'll try to be nice and after 2 sentences he hits her and then later somebody finds the guy and punches him a couple times and tells him to leave her alone or else. Good TV. The only thing missing is that women abuse men, too. Not good TV, apparently, unless it's followed by canned laughter <_< . Don't worry, it'll never be legal for men to hit women unless she's trying to kill him and there's 3 witnesses. I'm just saying there's a problem and I don't think I'm the only one who can see it.

You're not going to offer YOUR solution, are you? Walk away? Yell? That only seems to prolong the tension. quote: NOW - perhaps you meant "smack upside the head" figuratively.... as in "get their attention." I know that Harriet Oleson is a fictional character, and I've rarely seen any woman carry on like that in real life, but, no. In her case, I think if her husband just hauled off and decked her a couple of times, her behavior would change a lot. Nobody would complain if a man who repeatedly hit his wife for no reason was decked a couple of times.

That's funny.

quote:Am I enough of a jerk that you just assumed I was WC? And so, my friends, there you have it, a lesson in how to launch an offensive assault without actually launching an offensive assault. Paraphrase of the bolded area: "If you were in the WC, you are a jerk." Nope, never said "WC were jerks. Now wait a minute, Waysider. I've posted before that in TWI, the people who've blessed me the most AND po'd me the most were WC. Plus, there are many posts to that effect by others. Presumptuous, maybe, but offensive assault? Please. Again, nice condemnation of my thoughts, but what is YOUR solution (if you can even be objective)?

In a recent post somewhere, someone made the point that to effectively portray something as evil, you have to "give evil a face". The Hallmark channel (the 'white people channel' as I like to call it) has been showing reruns of Little House on the Prairie. One character on that show is the face I will give to this evil. It's Harriet Oleson, who, with her husband, runs the grocery store in that town. She exhibits the exact behavior I've ranted about. Always going on bullying tirades publicly embarrassing her husband having a bad influence on her female children...what a God awful excuse for a human. And every time she goes on one of her tirades the men present just disgustedly fold their arms and wait for the insanity to stop...or recharge, whatever it is. Me and Jean were watching recently and at one point I thought to myself, "God, someone ought to just smack that woman" but I didn't say it out loud. Not even 15 seconds later Jean says out loud, "God, someone ought to just smack that woman upside the head." Scary, isn't it? All I've ever said is that men should have the right to physically defend themselves against an assault like that. All a man can do in a situation like that is either leave the house like someone escaping a rabid dog, or do what the men in Little House did, just sit there and take it, which will eventually erode any husband's ability to provide any meaningful leadership. This is wrong. Then the woman will say, "I can't follow your leadership because you're not much of a man" or something like that. Can anyone say "snares and nets"? Seriously, Goey, what do you do if confronted with that? You have posted a nice little stained glass window style condemnation of my thoughts, but what would YOU do?

quote: I happen to know Danny personally. He is incapable of understanding how someone could hit a woman, or think that behavior is okay. You have said stuff that is beyond his understanding, also. And then you say... quote: You think you know the man? You think he was raised in an environment that looked down on that behavior? You know NOTHING, bro. Just how did he get "incapable of understanding" ANYTHING without an environment that taught him that? Are you accurately representing him or are you merely projecting your own "understanding" onto him?

With all respect, I think he WAS trying to offend them and the verse in Ephesians wasn't talking about vulgarity; the corrupt communication spoken of can be accomplished quite well without vulgarity. All the stuff in Ephesians and the other doctrinal epistles does not negate the need to occasionally protect yourself. Jesus said doctrinally to love your enemies. Did that matter when he said what I quoted? Did that matter when he told those guys you are of your father the devil? What about Paul, who wrote what you quoted? Check out Acts 13: 45,46. You don't think it was offensive to those Jews for Paul to say they had put the word of the Lord from them, judged themselves unworthy of eternal life, and were now no better before God than the gentiles? In a perfect world it's all Ephesians all the time, but....

quote: I'm glad someone provided you with that "quote" for an "exit strategy". It appears your Way Corps Training has served you well!! You must tell me what rank you held on THE FARM before you resigned your commission? Gosh. I'm flattered. Rank? I was never in the corps; I was a twig leader for about 3 years and I played in music groups. I can play guitar pretty good. Played at tons of fellowships and at several weddings. Probably blessed more people with that than as a twig leader. Am I enough of a jerk that you just assumed I was WC?

Danny: quote: Excited to see what Johnee has to say. Johnee? My screen name is Johniam and my actual name is John. Back on pp. 18 and 19 of the 'Is it possible' thread, which now nestles at the very bottom of p. 2 of the About the Way forum, when you began your little spew on Oct. 22, exactly 7 weeks ago, you referred to me by name 11 times. Six of the 11 you called me Johnee or some probably marijuana induced variation of it. I didn't take it as peaceloving then. Why should I take it that way now? You claim that you bait people in a godly way to help them see the error of their ways, but that's false. Your motive in October was to slander me; you imply that I daily delight in 'clocking women'. That's not godly, it's SLANDER! That's not hyperbole, it's SLANDER! That's not baiting for Jesus, it's SLANDER! Your only motivation for slandering me is spite. But you're not honest enough to admit it; you keep up with this lame. sniveling, weasel excuse about baiting people for Jesus, or whatever you called it. In October I kind of blew it off. On one post I said for you to say hi to the others at the asylum for me and on another post to Doojable I said you guys all ought to take a cold shower together and clean the toxicity out of your heads. Not enough of a response for you, was it? So you stewed over it for 6 weeks and promptly responded to my first post on this thread with more of your slander; more of your venom. What can I say? I really wanted to put you in your place and I think I did. Just in case you forgot, or are too stoned to remember right now, the post numbers on pp. 18 and 19 of the Is it possible thread are 342, 346, 351, 352, 360, 367, and 370. Someone said you were just calling a spade a spade. Nope, it was slander. If anything, you were calling a toothpick a redwood tree. Someone else said you couldn't help it cause you were raised in an environment where you just don't even think about hitting women. I don't care if you were raised by Tarzan and Jane in a treehouse, if you're civilized enough to be on the internet, then you knew you were crossing the line. You should be suspended from posting IMO. You say that a man should never never never NEVER hit a woman. Hmm. Deut. 25:11,12 - When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one that draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smitweth him, and putteth forth her hand and taketh him by the secrets, then thou shalt cut off her hand thine eye shall not pity her Lev. 20:10 - ...the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death Apparently, God Almighty Himself doesn't agree with your zero tolerance policy about women. Y'know if I said something like...you should never never never say anything bad about VP... why, they'd call me a...uh...WIERWILLE WORSHIPPER! Oops, they already do that knowing full well I don't worship a dead man. So you must be a woman worshipper. That's why you're such a mess; the only thing God says you should never never never NEVER do is idolatry. In 1 Cor. 10:13 where it says with the temptation God shall provide a way to escape, it's talking about escaping idolatry; it doesn't say God will bail you out of anything if you're believing like some people think, the whole chapter is talking about idolatry. I leave you with one final thought: first cast the redwood tree out of thine own eye, then shalt thou see clearly to cast the toothpick out of mine. Have a nice day, Daneeeee.

quote: Or, maybe this is just a "Figure" of Speech, in a modern biblical version which I have not heard of? Of COURSE it's a figure of speech. Remember what VP said? "If I say the ground is dry, that's a plain statement of fact, but if I say the ground is thirsty, that's a figure of speech. It gives life, fire, vitality to the message!" I no longer agree with his conclusion that figures of speech are the holy spirit's marking as to what's important in the bible. If it's God's word then it's all important in some context, but I agree with him that in all literature, biblical or otherwise, figures of speech give spice and flavor to otherwise generic words. If I had said, Danny, in my opinion, your post was inappropriate, or if I said, Danny, in my opinion, the adversary had more to do with that post than you did (which I still believe is so), that would have been a plain statement of fact, the FACT being that it's my opinion, not whether you agree with my conclusions. Would've been a real yawner...no impact at all. But I chose to use a figure of speech and got my pov across much better, even though it cost me thus far a week of posting privileges.

First, I want to address the moral issues several of you have about vulgarity. This is NOT a back door attempt to criticize the moderators for suspending me; they had no choice. I have no argument about the suspension or the length of it. What is vulgarity? I've known how to be vulgar since I was 10. It was a sort of rite of passage. Despite being raised a middle class white boy in a conservative mid sized town, I felt the pressure. If you were a guy in my elementary school, you didn't want the other guys to think you were a prude or a sissy. Thus, you had to at least be tolerant of vulgar speech if you didn't want to participate, when the girls and grownups weren't around. Nowadays, I think girls still shy away from vulgarity, though not as much. Back in elementary school, it was way unladylike to be vulgar, so if a girl heard you they'd rat you out in a heartbeat. It was also considered unladylike to wear pants, so girls had to wear skirts to school even in 0 degrees, but that's another topic. What is vulgarity? Last Thursday the TNT channel showed Pretty Woman back to back. I assume most if not all of us have seen the movie. In one scene she was in a clothing store and Richard Gere told the man we are going to be spending an obscene amount of money in here. The man asked for clarification: does that mean merely profane or REALLY OFFENSIVE? That's what vulgarity is; it's one of several ways to be REALLY OFFENSIVE rather than merely profane. Hip hop music is full of it. Many comedians make their living off of it. Eddie Murphy, for one. If you're Christian, it's not like Jesus is going to take vulgarity away from you along with drinking and smoking. The bible does not directly discuss vulgarity; it DOES discuss being offensive. Matt. 15:12 - Then came his disciples and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? It doesn't say Jesus was vulgar. It doesn't say he was trying to be offensive, either, but it's clear he wasn't exactly trying to NOT offend them. Somewhere else it says Jesus called them whited sepulchres which outwardly appear white and beautiful but inwardly are full of dead men's bones. That time he WAS trying to be REALLY OFFENSIVE to them. I'm well aware of scriptures which say give none offense, don't eat with offense and cause thy brother to stumble, or not to offend in word, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't protect yourself. Those Pharisees in Matt. 15 started the whole thing. They repeatedly went out of their way to provoke him. Sometimes Jesus blew them off; sometimes he put them in their place. Just how offensive was Jesus to those people? They KILLED him. Anybody here want me dead? My conclusion: it's OK with God to be deliberately offensive to people if they go out of their way to provoke it. Roy: I want to apologize to you for bringing back painful memories about your past. I can relate to a lot of the pain you described. Don't give up; 47 ain't that old.

Edited for crude and disgusting language

quote: I'll just close with this verse for you to think on further - something we should all strive for. Acts 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have a conscience void of offence toward God and toward man. Interesting that this verse was spoken by Paul immediately after he was falsely accused of wrong doing. A lot was at stake here. He was talking to the governor. Pretty bold thing to say for a guy who used to kill Christians. And what was the response to WTH for this? False accusations. Must've hit close to home for some.

She just looks like the secretary in the principal's office who gives you "the stare" to prepare you for the discipline that will follow.

I was witnessed to by a guy I'd known since 7th grade. At some point I decided to hang out with him whenever there was a fellowship. This led me to PFAL. Just before the class started somebody else in the twig told me if I looked past the BS I'd really dig it. The twig I was in was a lot more laid back than the corps who ran the class, but everybody still got along. The best thing I got out of PFAL was just knowing that God loved me and I wouldn't have to earn it. Overcoming fear you have to earn, but not God's love. Everything in the class seemed to support that reality quite convincingly. All the intellectual stuff is just window dressing IMO.

Thankful for being alive and healthy and surrounded by a family. Vickles: What's up with the avatar? That's almost as scary as Excie's last month.

I think his daughter's name is Rochelle. They still send them to us and I don't recall seeing one not taught by John since his death. I still see several of the people who go to that fellowship. Whatever they're doing must be working. quote: but still bad "witness", if you will, for Hendrix's group if that behavior and treatment is not in line with their mission and doctrine since his name is attached to them. Oh, please. Jesus couldn't even keep one of his own disciples from betraying him.

quote: Picture yourself, if you will, being awakened out of a dead sleep at 3 AM, in the middle of Podunk, USA, with almost no money and being informed that you are a total disgrace to God and you must immediately vacate the state you are in if you have any expectation of even remaining inside God's hedge of protection. Failure to do so could not only result in your falling from God's favor, it could result in your death. Would you still have those warm, fuzzy feelings or do you think you would feel like the world is crashing in around you? I saw this happen to my FLO brothers. Two of them lived in the same "house" as me. It almost happened to me as well, later on, but I had a "cute" wife who unwittingly bought me a reprieve. I'm thankful you never saw this stuff but it really did happen. The reason it didn't happen to me is that I wouldn't fall for that bunk. During my wow year once the family coordinator tried to intimidate me and my wow brother by saying that if we didn't behave better she'd get us kicked off the wow field and we'd have to move out of the house we lived in. I called her bluff and said OK let's do it. She probably could have gotten us kicked out, but then she and the other girl would've had to pay the bills by themselves so she didn't. I suppose it's possible that even back in the 70s there were people who wanted to do the large scale "cleansing" they ended up doing in the 90s. It's all moot now.

Yes, a sense of belonging is powerful. I felt it in the drug culture, I felt it with my teen friends, and I certainly felt it in TWI. In TWI it was just as much circling the wagons as a sense of belonging. Back in the day depending on where you were, people just hated us; it was bizarre.