johniam

Uncle Hairy: quote: OK, I have a theory...I think johniam is totally goofing on us...he's seeing how many buttons he can push by saying these outrageous things! This is his way of having fun...first, he says the most outrageous and stupid thing he can think of, and then waits for our responses! He is probably drinking a cold beer and laughing his foot off as he reads the posts!...Am I right? C'mon fess up...I'm on to you now...nobody could possibly suggest that it's better to beat your child at home to teach him a lesson, than to have them get beat at school to learn the lesson..I think you got carried away with your own sense of humor...C'mon now, fess up and we'll all laugh together... Nothing to fess up to; when I post it's for real other than obvious sarcasm. I am open to the responses I get. That's the biggest benefit to letter writing as opposed to direct communication. Some things need to be communicated one on one. Other times it's really better to be able to read something at your convenience more than once if necessary and process what is written in its own time. Sometimes I read posts and get upset, only to re read it a day or so later and not be upset. Sure, if you say you've re read all my posts 3 times and you still think I'm nuts, OK. As I said, getting physical should be a last resort, not a primary strategy. All the other things I listed as last resorts (spankings, war, bankruptcy, the death penalty, and the lake of fire) can be used as primary strategies and the results are bad. Sure, there are men whose primary strategy is physical threats and actions to keep his wife and kids constantly terrorized and "in line". I do not advocate this. Thats not a family, that's a dictatorship! I think the reason God made men stronger than women is because he knew there would be times when the woman would get so emotionally out of control that it would take the threat and/or realization of physical force to restore order. Women really are smarter than men a lot of times, but God still put the man as head of the household. Why? Offense sells tickets/ defense wins games. That man's physical strength is the last outpost of defense. Some women use verbal/emotional abuse as a primary strategy. I see men all the time out in public who look emaciated in general. They say behind every great man there's a great woman. I suspect that behind every emaciated man there's an abusive woman as well. Some men are too prideful to admit they can actually be bullied by women. Oh, yes they can! Maybe 90% is a bit steep, but it always feels good to stand up to a bully. They can pass all the laws they want to, but as long as there are women who use abuse as their primary strategy, there will be men who use physical force as a last resort.

Hey, Rascal. You feelin' emotional about now? Getting physical is not a strategy, it's a last resort, like spankings, war, bankruptcy, the death penalty, the lake of fire, and many other things. Perhaps you should take a time out.

I challenge any one of you right now to think back about anything that ever scarred you during your life. Was it somebody beating you up, or was it verbal abuse? Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me. Yeah, right!

Oakspear: quote: Hey johniam, your posts are annoying and drive me up the wall. How about some of us take you out back and knock the stupid out of you? Clearly you "deserve it". Yeah I guess I could leave GS or not read your posts, but I feel that my only real option is to kick your foot. Bad idea? Sounds pretty wacko when I say it like that, doesn't it? Go back and re-read your "clock her like she deserves" post in the light of someone "clocking" YOU like you deserve. Actually, I'm glad you brought this up. You've been married. You know that reading posts on a website is quite different than being in the same living space with someone and hearing the tone of their voice. How about this? If a MAN speaks non stop and drives you up a wall deliberately, then that same man deserves to get clocked, too. This is all an extention of spanking children. It's a matter of degrees; you don't brutalize them, but they have to know that if their behavior gets far enough out of bounds, then there will be consequences. Why should they learn this by getting beat up on the elementary school playground or by getting sent to jail when they can learn it in the "comfort" of their home and family. I learned this in an eye opening way. I remember four times getting spanked as a child. All 4 times my mom was present. Two of the four, my mom defended me; the other two, she did not. When she did not defend me, I had either mouthed off to her in earshot of my dad or disobeyed her. When she did defend me, my dad had over reacted. Either way, the message was successfully sent to me that if I did not respect authority then there would be consequuences. I'm sure some here believe that children should never be spanked. Glad I don't live in Sweden. But why, Oak, do you assign this celestial value to women but not to men. We all need to get put in our place; otherwise we could become like LCM. Don't you think he should have gotten clocked at some point in time? Not by a judge's ruling or a BOD decision, but by a fist!

Oldies: this actually happened. woman (to winston Churchill): Why, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea! Churchill: If you were my wife, I'd drink it!

Uncle Hairy: quote: It's always wrong for a man to hit a woman. Nobody can drive you up a wall, you have to do that yourself...johniam, I hate to say this, but you sound like a sicko. It's ALWAYS wrong for a man to hit a woman? I've posted this before, but I'll do it again just for you. In 1996 at the Democratic convention the "right reverend" Hillary Clinton said how proud she was that her husband is the first president who ever said that a man should never hit a woman. Then two years and change later she whacked him in the face with a cell phone knowing he was going to be on TV one hour later. I hate to say this, but you sound like a stooge.

Vickles: quote: johniam, I have to ask you this and its not meant to point fingers at you at all. But from all the time I've read your posts I get the feeling that there is some kind of anger towards women in general. There must have been something thats happened in your life to take these things to such an extreme. This is what I get from what you posted in several other threads. Please say this isn't true. I'd truly like to understand why you continuously feel that women get away with stuff and men don't. Is that how you feel? Yes, it's how I feel! Not "in general", but in specific situations, this being one of them. It seems to me that some women act as though when they do something well they want all respect all the time, but when they screw up, they want to be treated like "special ed" students who should not be held accountable for their behavior like other people (men). Not just women who make headlines like Andrea Yates, but women I see out in public and even at fellowships I attend. I get really sick of having to be the bigger person all the time. I think many women routinely take advantage of men in this way in interpersonal relationships. If a fly or mosquito buzzed in your ear for several seconds at a time you'd probably swat at it involuntarily until it stopped. That's not violent or abusive, it's merely being human and needing your space. I personally believe that 90% of so called domestic violence cases are initiated by the woman. They get emotional, they don't know or care when to shut up, they keep verbally hammering away at that man non stop, driving him up a wall.......the only defense that man has is to either flee his own house, or clock her like she deserves. But how convenient it's illegal for him to do that. So he stews for awhile until he can't take it anymore and then "swats the fly" and gets put in jail. Who will dare hold the woman responsible for causing this? It's never going to be legal for men OR women to injure anybody, but this situation in our culture all but encourages women to be predators. Yes, Vickles, I DO think women get away with stuff and men don't.

Rascal: quote: John, he is culpable in the fact that HE was the sane one, it was his responsibility as the husband and loved one to care for and protect not only Andrea from herself, but their children from her insanity as well.....since as an insane person, she was unable to do either.....insanity and delusion, is not something that you just turn on and off when it is convenient.....as the one in control of his faculties.... If she was that damn insane, she should've been institutionalized. It could be just as easily argued that the state should be blamed for not doing so. She did too know damn well what she was doing. There was permeditation. She should be put to death; this is a slam dunk.

That's BULL! What if he had molested the 5 boys? Would that be any of HER fault? Didn't think so.

I can respect Annika Sorenstam. She may not have made the cut in that men's tournament she was in last year, but at least she was hitting her drives off the same tees as the men she was competing against. Andrea Yates, on the other hand, got to hit off the ladies' tee. In the state of Texas she should've been executed 50 years ago by law, but SOMEWHERE in that court room there was a ladies' tee. Must be nice.

Garth: quote: I am SO glad that I am not mentally bound and chained by the TWI/fundamentalist based viewpoints that you have just expressed any longer. No, you're just bound by your own intellectual stupidity which is exponentially worse.

It's just showbiz. I'm comparing this to Ron Artest's 'act'. Moments before he got annointed with the cup, he was using a head set to make fun of Ben Wallace. So next year some clever Packer fan with an endzone seat should bring a tupperware sealed container with guess what in it. Then when Randy Moss is in that end zone even if he's the decoy receiver.....splash. Can you picture Randy Moss trying to climb in the stands and take on all those Packer fans? I still like the way Dieon runs like a lippizan (sp) stallion when he returns a kickoff/punt/interception for a TD.

Bramble: quote: You really think VPW had a mental illness of this severity? Really? No, I think blaming her husband for what SHE did is as ludicrous as blaming Mrs. VP for what HE did.

I can't believe this! This person murders her own kids, 5 of them, and we're defending her. quote: I see Andrea Yates more as a victim than anything else. How could her family and husband not know how sick she was? Some one that ill, that delusional---surely it was noticable, if anyone was paying attention. I see VPW as more of a victim than anything else. How could his family and wife not know how sick he was? Someone that ill, that delusional---surely it was noticeable, if anyone was paying attention. quote: The husband on the other hand KNEW she was unstable KNEW she struggled to the degree she did YET continued to demand she have more children. Continued to tell her God will judge her and heal her etc. and that she was weak and condemed her. Mrs. VP on the other hand KNEW he was unstable KNEW he struggled to the degree he did YET continued to keep his actions a secret. Continued to believe that somehow it was OK with God and that he was weak and sympathized with him. quote:he set up the crime in my opinon. He had his mother stay with her knowing full well how very very ill she was after the birth of her last child...the Drs. warned them and she got worse with every pregnancy not better. He was the one insisting she go off the medicine to have another child to nurse another child. Mrs. VP set up the sexual abuse in my opinion. She let him get that motorcoach knowing full well how very very ill he was. She couldn't put out anymore after that surgery. She should've pimped FOR him instead of trusting those strangers......etc. Makes about as much sense!

Yeah! That's right! Blame the man. Must be nice to have gender bias always go your way. Why, you could even get away with murder.

Yes, she needs help. A lethal injection would help.

Before TWI dope culture was my "religion". Dope definitely affected who I was and TWI did give me a good vehicle to get away from my dope friends and overcome dope for good. However, I remember being in a Presbyterian church which my family attended for awhile and thinking, "Gee, these 'trinity devil spirits' are sure a lot more loving than those 'faithful in the household a**holes' that were in TWI. Why, we'd have never thawt eet!"

Lot can be said about anger. It can be healthy or unhealthy. It can be a defense mechanism or an assault weapon. It can save life or kill. One musical group I'm acquainted with is Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks. They did an album in 1972 called 'Striking it Rich'. One song on the album is called "O'Riley at the bar". It's about a guy who goes to a bar and someone deliberately steals his beer so he beats him up. But this isn't a heavy metal group. They didn't even have a drummer. Their music is funky and kinda laid back. wasn't that drink one of mine, stealing my drink is a sin Stealing my drink has caused me to think, to think about the rat that you are Whoever you are, you pushed me too far, now I'm gonna smash your face. Normally, if you're angry enough to get physical with somebody, you don't slowly sit down and reason it out first; you just do it. The song puts the process in slow motion. We all assign anger value to different things based on our backgrounds and our belief systems. Nothing makes me angrier than things that violated me in the past. I had 2 9th grade teachers who occasionally went out of their way to humiliate me in front of the class. At the time I didn't have as much respect for myself as I do now. I was afraid to get angry so I just condemned myself. The more I thought about it over time; thought about how these 2 adult professionals used their authority over me to tear me down; thought about how cowardly they were sitting on their thrones like that; I'd love 5 minutes alone with each of them. I can identify, at least in principle, with some of the TWI abuse posted here. But I can't really afford to spend too much time thinking about stuff like that. So I'm thankful that I have a full enough plate that the memory of that stuff doesn't affect me....much.

I like Samuel Smith products; especially the brown ale.

Pat: Karl Kahler posted that exact info once. I haven't read his book so I don't know if the info's in there, but you might either email Karl or just start digging around threads.

Polarbear: In KJV it says 'reasonable' service, but I've always taken that to mean it's the least you can do considering what God's done for you. True, you need to be in a situation where your 'living sacrifice' has some real impact, and this is compromised if your situation has degenerated to nothing but 'the same meeting over and over with the same people' as you say. Personally, I think this is always a work in progress...to keep the balance between complacency and extreme legalism.

Garth: quote: Which succinctly depicts why I abandoned that kind of mindset, .... and haven't looked back. Haven't looked back? Yeah, right! You look back in terror every time myself or somebody else posts something you don't like. If you would mind your own business and quit trying to be the thought policeman of GSC you'd be a lot more peaceful.

Garth: So what? I think you're spiritual scum, too, and I'd clean your windows.

My best was 318 something but not without a few whiffs. It's better to hit line drives than towering flies.

This is so cool. I have had the experience of meeting someone and consciously or subconsciously thinking there's no WAY this person is gay only to be very much surprised to find out they WERE gay. Well, that door swings both ways, ha ha. I have a window cleaning account. It's a salon and I'm pretty sure the guy who runs it is gay. He saw me doing the windows at the place next door and came out and talked to me and now I do his windows too. I'm aware that just because someone seems effeminate or talks with that tone of voice doesn't mean they're gay, but if I was a bettin' man....yeah! I certainly don't do this guy's windows any different than anybody else's; a business transaction is a business transaction. You just don't mess with that if you want to stay in business. The last time I did this guy's windows, about 2 weeks ago, he had hired a helper who seemed even more effeminate than the first guy. He introduced himself to me, I shook his hand, it was business like enough. Then they gave me this tower of boxes of candy that must have cost 50 bucks. I mean, come on....let's spend 50 bucks on the window cleaner's Christmas present. It was 5 boxes of candy forming a tower. The bottom box was a foot wide and the top box was maybe 5 inches. Vaguely phallic. I really don't think it was any kind of advance, though. I'm kind of fat, and I haven't noticed any gay men checking me out as far back as I can remember. I really think they simply like my work and felt like being generous. But here's what's cool. If those guys knew what I really thought about homosexuality, if they knew what a "bigotted, homophobic, right wing, wacko" I am, then they'd probably close the account and try to convince next door to do the same. Now I'M the one who is in the closet. I'M the one "dressed in drag". I'M the one getting away with something. I'm this wacko and they DON'T HAVE A CLUE!!!! HAW HAW HAW!!! This is so cool.