johniam

Sometimes when I come to bed I have to fart. If my wife is awake, I lift up the covers with my feet so it escapes out of the other side of the bed. If she is asleep, sometimes I wait to see if the cadence of her breathing is disrupted. I actually bought the 45rpm single of "Yummy yummy yummy" by the Ohio Express. I used to cry during certain episodes of 'Family Affair'.

What's TWI Theatre?

Let's see, VP left his denomination in what, 1958. And the ministry didn't start to really take off until at least 10 years later. Uncle Harry's money aside, that's a long time to wait for an egg to hatch. Most scam artists want to get rich quick. I think he believed in it.

I guess I better not whine about having to clean windows in 10 degrees today, huh?

I had these 2 friends and one of them couldn't get off on acid. We'd buy from the same batch and me and the one guy'd be tripping our brains out but the other guy swore he didn't feel anything. Finally he did some at a Yes concert and he loves Yes and he saw all kinds of hallucinations on and around the stage so we figured he was normal after all. I must be the same way with wine. Sort of. The fanciest I ever get is Inglenook white zinfandel. I can get it on sale for under 5 bucks. But I've got window cleaning accounts that sell wine for $100.00 a bottle. Just what kind of buzz do you get for that price that you don't get with ripple? Do you see God? What?

I have mixed feeling about what the piper said. On the negative side, he makes it sound like tragedies like tsunami happen because us humans are so sinful. "Feel guilty, God is punishing you!" THAT kind of crap. Personally, I don't feel it's really my responsibility to know exactly why spiritually something like this happens. Piper has created a phantom sin, here. "It's humanity's fault just because it happened. Repent, repent!!!" How is this our fault? Did any of you guys actually pray for this to happen? Did I have one bad thought too many the day before it happened? That's ridiculous! I know we were at times pushed into this mentality by TWI. The example I always use is the bless patrol person at Emporia who was reproved for not "believing" just because a car jumped the curb and ran over some shrubs late at night during their bless patrol shift. Instead of a phantom sin, it's a phantom believing. Same guilt motivation. No thanks. On the positive side, I think we can all agree that mankind as a whole, as communities, and as individuals, cannot control everything that happens in our lives. We accept this and we make a lot of our decisions based on this. We look for help where ever we can find it. George, you don't believe in God, but you seek help from other sources. You seem to harp on what a "tragedy" it is that some ex wayfers forego a college education and that they will someday find themselves 'behind the 8 ball' financially and how it won't be pretty. You seek help from money. Nothing wrong with that. Also nothing wrong with seeking help from a God. All the money you could possibly make won't prevent your health from deteriorating and your eventual death. Neither will all the faith I could possibly come up with. Mstar, you don't make it clear that you believe in a God, but you said that tragedies like tsunami will be predictable (preventable) someday. That's faith in something isn't it? What Piper said, in an indirect way, ultimately reminds the reader of the reality that we can't control everything. His solution is to come to God. His 'guilt attachment' notwithstanding, I can't fault him for making God an option for people to have peace of mind. George: quote: God's trying to teach us an important lesson, I'm sure. Or maybe it's just that mean 'ole devil up to his tricks again (and God, in order to be just has to let him). Whatever, I'm sure there's some way to rationalize it so one's superstitions can remain intact. I believe that God is a Father, not just by seed, but by creation. This includes everybody and everything. I'm a father by biology. On Thanksgiving day of 1997 I was raking leaves outside and my then 2 yr old son was let outside. We had just moved into the place so I didn't figure he'd want to roam too far. I took my eye off him for maybe 10 seconds, looked up, he's in the street. Gave us quite a scare. Sure, I physically forced him to do my will, but the older they get, the less I do this. Well, God made everything, including us, and every living thing He made has the potential to change in different ways, and He doesn't force His will on us or nature all the time. Is He capable of it? Sure, but it's His prerogative to get involved or not just like it's my prerogative to get involved with my own kids or not. No, I can't prove the God I believe in exists, but neither can you prove He doesn't.

Sudo: Keep your day job.

Would you be blessed to...

Every time I drink more than 2 drinks...IT HAPPENS! Being in cold does it, too. As an asst mgr for a fast food chain I had to do a daily inventory which included the big walk in freezer and frequently I would have to pee like crazy during or after being in the freezer.

The guy was 69 years old and had heart surgery 5 years earlier. When did TWI ever say we could believe to live forever in THIS life? Basketball player Pistol Pete Maravich was 40 years old, working out in a gym, told someone he felt great, and fell down dead of a heart attack. Think that's funny, too? When my time comes that's how I want to go, stoned and fat and wealthy and sittin' on the bowl...(line from a song called "Goin' to Graceland" by the Dead Milkmen) "I wouldn't mind dying in a plane crash. It would be a good way to go. I just don't want to die of old age or OD or drift off in my sleep...I want to feel what it's like. I want to taste it, hear it, smell it. Death is only going to happen once. I don't want to miss it." - Jim Morrison

Radar: I'm just giving Garth a taste of his own medicine. This is not limited to this thread or the subject matter of it; he was recently reproved by Dabbobadah (sp) on another thread for his style of communication.

Garth: When God passed out brains, you thought he said drains, so you said, "Oh, you can pour all kinds of raw sewage down mine!!!"

Garth: When God passed out brains, you thought He said plains so you said, "Oh, you can test nuclear bombs on mine!!!"

Whitedove: quote: You might pass on to him that he just might wanna be a man instead of being deceptive, and posing as a woman, then changing his name several times. If he has something to say have some guts! Say it and stand behind your words. For someone so concerned about integrity he seems to have missed the lesson for himself. He lives with a woman named Jennifer Samuel. Make sense now?

Raf: quote: Here's a note to him on that subject: YOU DON'T GET A VOTE. Neither do I for that matter. The only people who get a vote are those who had to be subjected to his lecherous advances and abuses. That's like saying if a man is accused of rape, he doesn't get to defend himself. Only the prosecution gets heard, not the defendant. I believed what he believes for a long time. I didn't change my mind because of people telling me I didn't get a vote.

Oak: quote: Why don't you fill us in, tough guy? How about Andrea Yates' delayed acquittal? Is this isolated or the tip of the iceberg? Check out this website...www.dadbeatdead.com. Note that it says dad beat dead, not dead beat dad.

Oldies: Part of this is the "present truth" of the world. I recently saw a production of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" at my daughter's high school. I was in a college production of it in 1975. I noticed that in the book and in the production I was in, Mc Murphy really roughed up Big Nurse in the near final scene before they over powered him, doing permanent damage to her neck area. Not even close to that in the high school version. This is a taboo subject today and yes fewer women are getting hurt, but at what cost?

I just spoke with John on the phone. Tried to call him last night no answer. He says he will email to me the emails he sent to Catcup and wants me to tell him if anything is or could be perceived as out of line. He also wants to reply on GSC; I told him his best shot at that would be to email Paw. In the scathing emails he sent to me which I referred to in my earlier post, he said some very unflattering things about my present walk with God. However, when I just spoke with him, he was not angry or agitated. He does indeed feel the need to expose those he feels are spreading what he feels are lies about VPW, which includes me to an extent, but he has no plans to do anything close to foul play. He even allows for the possibility that he could someday be proved wrong. We're just not dealing with the unabomber or the son of Sam here, OK?

Herbie: quote: John I just finished abnormal psych (and got a B in it) from what I learned, psychology is just now understanding the connection between certain kinds of stress and personality/mood disorders. Speaking of which, there is a most relevant article in today's STL Post Dispatch. A 46 year old man was released from incarceration after 15 years. He calls himself a "psychiatric prisoner" (comparative to political prisoner), a victim of "coerced psychiatry". He doesn't believe in mental illness; says it is a fictitious label used by some people to control other people. He hit his ex wife in 1989 during an argument. Charged with aggravated battery, he was conned into pleading "guilty but mentally ill". This happened in Illinois, a state now famous for smelly trial lawyers. His jail term ended in 1991, but because he refused treatment for his "mental illness", authorities convinced higher authorities to keep him incarcerrated. The only reason he got out is because of a change in county leadership who could see the forest for the trees. Then they still tried to keep him in jail by charging him for a fight he had with another prisoner several years ago. He's out on bail and he has a big network of support including a publisher for a book he plans to write on the subject. That's a lot of credibility given to some "wifebeater". It doesn't surprise me that your perspective would regard psychiatry as the highest standard.

Herbie: quote: John you are a horrible person shame on you for wanting to clock a defensless woman! Defenseless? Are you braindead? Yes, PHYSICALLY, most woman cannot match up to a man, but is that the ONLY thing to be considered? Most women are glad they're women and not men because they know they have advantages over men in other areas. So much so that some get a false sense of superiority; they think they are so much BETTER than men that they act like elitists. They get more and more open and free about disdaining men in general. NY Times columnist Maureen Dowd is a classic example of a "faithful in the household bigot feminist secure in the arms of her parallel universe". What does she have to fear? What man who has access to her is even going to think of messing with her? Why should she "compromise" by offering the slightest amenity to the "lesser" beings? If she does have a husband he's an indentured servant at best. Her attitude is spreading. Plus you still fail to grasp the simple distinction between primary strategy and last resort. Do you think your having taken abnormal psyche makes you an expert in everything?

Garth: There are two things now that can be seen from space: the great wall of China, and your one dimensional thinking! quote: 2nd, the verses you supplied do not address when a woman is 'henpecking' a man, a situation that you specifically mentioned that gives a man the right to 'clock' her. Garth, isn't it just a little bit reasonable to assume that if it was OK for the "men of her city" to throw huge rocks at her until she was dead and if some unnamed law enforcement equivalent could "cut off her hand" that just maybe it wasn't a big deal if primary strategy was met with last resort. If you and those can't make your case without blurring the obvious distinction between primary strategy and last resort and going way way out of your way to deliberately misrepresent my opinion in this manner, then your case is weak. I cannot think of more respected actors today than Paul Newman and Clint Eastwood. Each has long been able to accept or reject any part of any script submitted to them. Yet both men have movies where their characters hit women. Eastwood did it in both "The Gauntlet" (1977) and "Sudden Impact" (1981). Newman did it in "The Verdict" (1982). To be fair, Newman's scene may have cost him the best actor oscar for that year. He finally got that oscar for "The Color of Money" in 1986, but "The Verdict" was a much better movie. In the scene in question, Newman played a down and out alcoholic lawyer who was given an "easy" case in which a doctor at a catholic hospital gave a woman in labor the wrong anesthetic putting her in a coma 6 years and counting. The hospital offered the family $215,000 to make it go away. Newman convinced the family to sue for $650,000. All the cards were stacked against Newman. Charlotte Rampling played a woman who let Newman pick her up in a bar and later relayed info he was privy to about the case to his lawyer opponent played by James Mason. She also would wait until he was good and drunk with his defenses down and rip him a new one by scolding the hell out of him. Late in the movie, he found out what she was doing and decked her the next time he saw her right in front of a crowd and stared at her for a minute or so as if to enjoy her pain. Sure this is a movie, but what does it tell you that those respected actors would deliberately include those scenes?

I really never intended to derail this thread, but I do believe that Andrea Yates would have been executed by now were she not a woman. This kind of stuff really bothers me.

Garth: quote: First off, where specifically in the Bible does God give the husband the OK to give her the back of his hand in these emotional situations, even as 'a last resort'? Or where does it portray *any* of what you posted in that paragraph? You have indicated on other threads that you don't believe in God or that the bible is relevant. So for you to ask me to provide a scripture about anything is insincere. Nonetheless, I do have scripture for you. You know well that the bible doesn't usually address specific situations, just in principle. Where in the bible does it say you and I can drive a car? So don't give me your bull about that. But check out these scriptures... Deut. 25:11,12 - When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. I guess there are some things even women just should not do, eh? And don't give me that crap about it's the OT it doesn't apply, we're under grace...I know that, but YOU said "where specifically in the BIBLE..." right? Here's more... Deut. 23:13,14 - If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, and give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman and when I came to her, I found her not a maid The next several verses deal with if the man was lying, then... verses 20,21 - but if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die... So now you have more ammo to dislike the bible I guess.

Catcup: You can probably relax. I got John Durbin in the word in 1980. I have never known him to do anything really crazy. He has sent me some scathing emails lately for the same reason (believing that VP was naughty) and he knows where I live. He also posted as 'liarliarpantsonfire' for awhile. Like I said, I've never heard of him doing anything really crazy. He emailed me a few days ago asking me if you ever pimped for VP. I, from memory told him no that you believed like many of us that VP sexually assaulted many women, but no recruiting. I think he's just kind of tore up inside and acting out of desperation. If he threatened you in any way, use the resources you have available. But he knows where I live too and he hasn't come here.

Rascal: quote: p.s. wouldn ya just love to be able to reach through this screen n clock me one to shut me up?? lol No, I wouldn't.