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Remember that God is outside of time. Time is part of the creation. Without matter and energy, time does not exist. So what was BEFORE creation cannot be thought of in terms of time. God just was, time didn't pass, eternity can't be measured. The existence of evil in the face of a loving God can only be explained as a necessary entity for a greater good. Like two sides of a coin, both are necessary to make a distinction between the two. Could love be experienced without evil? Could God have done it a different way, perhaps, but we must trust that this is the best way. No pain no gain. To suffer the existence of evil now is necessary to realize the glorification later. Jerry

More accurately I'd say nothing you have written is The Whole Truth. Words may be inadequate, but it doesn't make everything a lie. Jerry

Noah and sons would not have had to store meat for the carnivores on the ark. They could have just scooped a few floating carcasses from the water when it was feeding time. Now after the ark landed, the herbivores may have had a harder time finding live vegetation among all the stinking rotting foliage that had been under water for 40 days. The whole scenario is only plausible if you believe in the supernatural, which has no place in science, or does it? Jerry

All this going on without any seeming concious direction. All this seems to be happening automatically. If man built something like this, it would need a computer chip to control. Jerry

The baptism of fire would be a cleansing.But would it be before or after a harvest? Or a cleansing of the harvest?Jerry

I still don't see how an incorruptible seed can die in the shell. Sounds like the ultimate corruption.Jerry

If the later rain was a baptism that occured on Pentecost, wouldn't it be likely that there is a former rain coming as a baptism in the fall? Would this baptism be different from the latter rain baptism? ex10, I guess living in a cold climate prevented me of realizing there are winter crops too in some areas. Two harvests in a year are foreign to me. Jerry

The season of spring when Pentecost is celebrated would seem to coincide with the latter rain, not the former. If the latter rain prepared the soil for summer growing season, what did the former rain prepare for, the coming winter? Jerry

Isn't the heart beating already in the first trimester?Jerry

I don't get it. You say logic as a concept is not man made and then turn around and say logic is not a concept. Could it be that what you are calling man-made logic is simply another term for reasoning? Reasoning being the communication or expression of cause and effect.Jerry

I don't think that logic is man made any more than mathematics is man made. I actually took a class in begining logic in college offered by the math department. Not that I remember much of it anymore, but by reducing statements to letter symbols, you could determine the validity of conclusions drawn by using the laws of logic. The only place where human fallibility came into the picture was assigning statements an incorrect letter value(the assumptions part of your examination of JCING).An example would be that "the word was made flesh" doesn't necessarily mean "All the word was made flesh". It could mean "Some of the word was made flesh and some was not". Jerry

Galations 5 lists the fruit of the spirit. They are for the believer, not the parents.They follow the works of the flesh which are done by the individual. They are not something only availabe in the future. A seed cannot produce fruit. A plant that is germinated but not sprouted or a fetus that is still developing, but not yet born,are headed towards a future event. Being born is present or past tense, not future tense. If the seed is incorruptible, does it produce a being or plant that is also incorruptible? Our bodies and souls are already corrupted, but the spirit cannot be. This is where we bear fruit, in the spirit, but is the fruit evident in our corrupt flesh, or must we wait to be changed before it is manifest? Redemption of the purchased possesion. Can a man's flesh become so corrupted that the incorruptible spirit cannot transform it at the end?Jerry

People in general have a tendency to foucus on a few wrongs that they would like to see set right. Smoking, women's rights, racism, alcoholism, etc. If their personality is such, they can get pretty adamant about a subject, even activist status. But I don't think the majority of any of these movements is bent on pushing the lifestyle on others. They merely support the fanatics that are out front on the issue. The majority are much more reasonable, but they don't get the press. I doubt the majority of believers were fanatics about going door to door, and probably were quite uncomfortable. But a Minority thrived on that kind of in your face assault. Same as Vegans. Jerry

I'm just wondering if you look at the seed as having been planted, but not yet germinated, how could there be any fruit? Fruit is evident now, so there must be a plant now also.Jerry