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...and thanks for feeding me ziti and giving me a place to sleep. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Wasn't it Mudd on the original Star Trek series that said "I always lie, in fact I'm lying right now", causing the computer to fry itself? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

I just don't have enough time to document it all Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

If you're going to use the bible as your standard, then how does the bible define lying,and when does it allow it? It says in Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor - it doesn't exactly say "don't lie". What's the distinction? Not sure. Ephesians 4:25 - Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor; for we are members one of another Now I can imagine twi defining "neighbor" in such a way as to exclude what they call unbelievers. but... Romans 12:17 - Recompense no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men I think it's pretty clear that the standard is honesty and truthfullness. It's also pretty clear that the bible make room for exceptions. Those exceptions always involve protecting yourself or your loved ones from those that would do you harm. TWI went beyond that to lying to avoid embarassment, lying to keep people in line, lying to maintain access to "sex slaves", lying to make the MOG look like...well, a MOG. And we can't blame this all on Martindale either. There wasn't any snowstorm in Tulsa that weekend. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

...we lied, or prevaricated, to avoid having to deal with the arguments with leadership. Maybe you knew it was best for your family to get a car loan, but you also knew that nothing you would say could convince "leadership". Another thing that encouraged deception "in the ranks" was the harsh way that we were dealt with when we did screw up. Who would want to admit that they needed help in an area when to do so would invite invasive scrutiny and condemnation of our "weakness"? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

As "leaves on the tree", we were expected to be truthful and "fully share" with our leadership about all aspects of our lives, yet they did not feel the same obligation toward us. From the examples I see listed here, lying was done when a life was a stake, or something equally serious, revelation or not. Of course Martindale painted everything as life and death, so he had his excuses lined up and ready. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

I don't recall ever hearing Martindale "teach" on it, but our local Way Corps did: in 1995 or 96 Martindale wanted the Way Corps to find out where offshoot fellowships were functioning. I was instructed to call a woman who I knew from years before, who had graduated from the Corps and had split from Martindale immediately post-POP. I was to tell her that I was not with The Way, but was interested in going to some kind of fellowship. I was specifically instructed to lie to her in order to find out how many offshoot fellowships she knew about and who they were affiliated with. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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You may have seen someone named Oakmom logged in on the boards from time to time, yes, that's my mother. She's never posted, but she's a regular reader of posts here at GS, and has been known to email threads to other family members. Her birthday is December 25th, Christmas Day. I'm posting this early, since I'll be extremely busy at work the closer we get to the holidays. HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM! Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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The Tubes! When I was a lad on Long Island Twisted Sister used to do a cover of the song. Yes, I am a Lou Reed fan Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Don't know why, but this song has been buzzing through my brain today. Anybody know who performed it? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

yeah...Cream Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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I couldn't think of anywhere else to post this, so... I was with a few friends Monday night, and since I didn't have to go to work the next morning, we closed the bar and went to a party at the home of a friend of a friend. After a while some guitars and other assorted instruments came out and some cool reggae jams started. Soon the host looks at me and says, "Tom, we need a percussionist, and you're it". He hands me a wooden frog, with a stick stuck through it. The frog had scales on his back for scritching, and made different sounds depending on where you hit it. He had two, so me and the woman who brought me to this party ended up "beating our frogs" into the wee hours of the morning. Wonder what Way productions would have done with it? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Thanks for sharing here Mr. P-Mosh. I've got children your age, and sometimes wish I could rewind and undo some of the damage that was done to them by remaining in twi. Keep posting, keep sharing, your an important part of the Cafe. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Socks: Ol' BB's still got it! Saw him this summer at an outdoor theater in Council Bluffs, Iowa with George Thoroughgood and The Fabulous Thunderbirds. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

see Magic Slim & The Teardrops Tinsley Ellis Jimmy Thackery or come to Nebraska and watch 'em with me Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Loved that Hop, saw them live a couple of times Most definitely Missed that one - Rod Price is awesome! Still a great thread! Listening to Etheridge's first album (CD) right now. Dick Dale is up next! Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Glad to see you back Mr. Howe! Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

A la prochaine has been encouraging me to visit this thread, but Thanksgiving week in the grocery biz is BUSY! but I've got ime tonight. Ted F: You've got some great stories, man, what a life. You made some good points about every musical wave getting resistance from the parents, going back to the 20's. I think of that every time I hear one of my contemporaries put down rap/hip-hop as "crap". Gee, what did our parents ay about our music. And I remember my grandmother once making a disparaging remark about my Dad's Dixieland Jazz. Ron G: Firehouse 5, huh? My dad had (maybe still has) a bunch of their 78's when I was growing up, cool stuff. I always had a hard time with the twi take on "devilish" music. I think that they were very inconsistant about it. How things were interpreted depended on what kind of music your local leadership liked! It was obvious that most, if not all, Way Productions performers were influenced by secular musicians to a greater or lesser extent. I remember Harve Platig talking about going to Columbus or dayton or someplace so some guy could teach him the Eddie Van Halen style of playing the neck of the guitar - kind of a flash thing - that he incorporated into his playing. I mostly enjoy blues, fusion jazz, and 70's rock (I'm listening to Hush from the Deep Purple boxed set right now) but enjoy music from many different styles. My teenage son and I turned each other on to each other's music regularly. I'd go sit with him in his room while he was listening to modern rock and hip hop; I like some and hated others! I'll listen to The Offspring's SElf Esteem and day, and to the surprise of most adults my age, I actually enjoy Eminem! My son ended up becoming a great fan of some old rock dinosaurs: AC/DC, KIss, and Van Halen, go figure. Oh yeah, I'm glad I can now listen to Melissa Etheridge again without every "believer" telling me that she is a lesbian. Man, I love that song Only One. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is [This message was edited by Oakspear on November 24, 2002 at 22:39.]

...you can see a "bondage face" just kidding Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Pay no attention to that twit behind the curtain... If and when you leave, you'll do it in your own good time. Don't let anyone here tell you what you should or shouldn't do regarding leaving (including me if I forget my own advice ) Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

OCD #2: I was in the northeast this summer: NYC, Philly, Boston. People were very nice. (even Chinson) I was friggin' shocked Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Let's hope he doesn't have Mother Teresa's money, Fabio's intellect, Bill Gates' athletic ability, and Paul Bunyan's grasp of modern technology. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is