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I had heard that more was changed in The Two Towers than had been in The Fellowship of the Ring. I just came back from seeing TT and quite a bit was changed, but I think for the most part the movie stayed true to the spirit of the book. Granted that dialog would have to be cut out, added, changed, or compressed to move things along. Some of the big changes that I noted: Aragorn falls off a cliff in a battle on the way to Helm's Deep, and shows up just ahead of the enemy Faramir is not quite so pure in the movie as he is in the book. He is in the process of delivering Frodo and The Ring to Denethor, but lets him go. Elrond is a bit of a pr*ck. He really dislikes Men. You wouldn't know from the movie that he is one of the Halfelven who were given the choice of being Elves or Men. (His brother Elros chose to be a Man and was Aragorn's ancestor)It seems like he and all the Elves are trying to head off to The Grey Havens and hop a freighter back to Valinor before Sauron attacks A company of Elves fights at Helm's Deep. - and didn't I see Arwen marching off with them? or was it off to the Grey havens? Eomer is kind of a renegade outlaw (instead of being locked up and then released after Theoden's recovery) and is not at Helm's Deep. He shows up with Gandalf to save the day. In the book Gandalf leads another warrior (I forget his name - Erkenbrand maybe) and the Huorns kill of a good many Orcs. A couple of small things that were different, but no big deal, really: In the book, Eowyn leads the people to Dunharrow in the mountains, in the movie she accompanies the warriors to Helm's Deep. In the book Elrond will allow Arwen to marry Aragorn only if he becomes King. In the movie he is against it no matter what. It is not made clear that there are Mordor Orcs, Moria Orcs, and Isengard Orcs (Uruk-Hai) all together in the group that captured Merry and Pippin. It is shown that there are two distinct breeds of Orc. Did they really have to make Gimli the comic relief? Things that I thought were portrayed well, or just pretty cool: Eowyn is a babe! She is easily the best looking of the major female characters, and we see her wielding a sword, if only in practice. Wormtongue is as unlikeable as he is portrayed in the book. 100% devious sycophant Theoden's malady is possession by Saruman! Excellent Gollum. I hated that froggy-looking cartoon in the Rankin-Bass "The Hobbitt". The split personality (Stinker and Slinker) is also done well What a great battle! In the books Elrond, Galadriel and a bunch of other elves do not leave for the Grey Havens until well after Saruman is killed in The Shire, and there is no indication that they had any intention of leaving any earlier. Arwen has mostly an off stage role in the books, so there is no mention of her intentions at all, except that Aragorn gets to marry her after he becomes King. Brad Dourif (Wormtongue) plays a great evil guy. The first time I remember seeing him was as a condemned murderer in the X-Files who was chanelling Scully's dead Dad, he also played a sociopath Maquis in Star Trek Voyager who is being trained by the Vulcan to control his emotions. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is [This message was edited by Oakspear on December 26, 2002 at 22:53.]

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...and thanks for feeding me ziti and giving me a place to sleep. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Wasn't it Mudd on the original Star Trek series that said "I always lie, in fact I'm lying right now", causing the computer to fry itself? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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If you're going to use the bible as your standard, then how does the bible define lying,and when does it allow it? It says in Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor - it doesn't exactly say "don't lie". What's the distinction? Not sure. Ephesians 4:25 - Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbor; for we are members one of another Now I can imagine twi defining "neighbor" in such a way as to exclude what they call unbelievers. but... Romans 12:17 - Recompense no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men I think it's pretty clear that the standard is honesty and truthfullness. It's also pretty clear that the bible make room for exceptions. Those exceptions always involve protecting yourself or your loved ones from those that would do you harm. TWI went beyond that to lying to avoid embarassment, lying to keep people in line, lying to maintain access to "sex slaves", lying to make the MOG look like...well, a MOG. And we can't blame this all on Martindale either. There wasn't any snowstorm in Tulsa that weekend. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

...we lied, or prevaricated, to avoid having to deal with the arguments with leadership. Maybe you knew it was best for your family to get a car loan, but you also knew that nothing you would say could convince "leadership". Another thing that encouraged deception "in the ranks" was the harsh way that we were dealt with when we did screw up. Who would want to admit that they needed help in an area when to do so would invite invasive scrutiny and condemnation of our "weakness"? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

As "leaves on the tree", we were expected to be truthful and "fully share" with our leadership about all aspects of our lives, yet they did not feel the same obligation toward us. From the examples I see listed here, lying was done when a life was a stake, or something equally serious, revelation or not. Of course Martindale painted everything as life and death, so he had his excuses lined up and ready. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

I don't recall ever hearing Martindale "teach" on it, but our local Way Corps did: in 1995 or 96 Martindale wanted the Way Corps to find out where offshoot fellowships were functioning. I was instructed to call a woman who I knew from years before, who had graduated from the Corps and had split from Martindale immediately post-POP. I was to tell her that I was not with The Way, but was interested in going to some kind of fellowship. I was specifically instructed to lie to her in order to find out how many offshoot fellowships she knew about and who they were affiliated with. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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You may have seen someone named Oakmom logged in on the boards from time to time, yes, that's my mother. She's never posted, but she's a regular reader of posts here at GS, and has been known to email threads to other family members. Her birthday is December 25th, Christmas Day. I'm posting this early, since I'll be extremely busy at work the closer we get to the holidays. HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOM! Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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The Tubes! When I was a lad on Long Island Twisted Sister used to do a cover of the song. Yes, I am a Lou Reed fan Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Don't know why, but this song has been buzzing through my brain today. Anybody know who performed it? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

yeah...Cream Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

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I couldn't think of anywhere else to post this, so... I was with a few friends Monday night, and since I didn't have to go to work the next morning, we closed the bar and went to a party at the home of a friend of a friend. After a while some guitars and other assorted instruments came out and some cool reggae jams started. Soon the host looks at me and says, "Tom, we need a percussionist, and you're it". He hands me a wooden frog, with a stick stuck through it. The frog had scales on his back for scritching, and made different sounds depending on where you hit it. He had two, so me and the woman who brought me to this party ended up "beating our frogs" into the wee hours of the morning. Wonder what Way productions would have done with it? Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Thanks for sharing here Mr. P-Mosh. I've got children your age, and sometimes wish I could rewind and undo some of the damage that was done to them by remaining in twi. Keep posting, keep sharing, your an important part of the Cafe. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Socks: Ol' BB's still got it! Saw him this summer at an outdoor theater in Council Bluffs, Iowa with George Thoroughgood and The Fabulous Thunderbirds. Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

see Magic Slim & The Teardrops Tinsley Ellis Jimmy Thackery or come to Nebraska and watch 'em with me Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is

Loved that Hop, saw them live a couple of times Most definitely Missed that one - Rod Price is awesome! Still a great thread! Listening to Etheridge's first album (CD) right now. Dick Dale is up next! Oakspear In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is