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Wait a minute...secret project? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

It's so because Wierwille said it was so. Why believe Wierwille? Because God made a promise to him, and Mike believes it. How do we know that God made this promise? Because Wierwille said so, and Mike is convinced, therefore, it is so. The abuses Wierwille either perpetrated or inspired are not important because he "taught us the Word", and Mike believes that God covered it all up. How do we know it was "The Word"? Because Wierwille said so, Mike believed it and that settles it. And if you don't believe everything that Mike said and therefore what Wierwille said, you are not spiritual enough, or aren't an OLG (overweight, lazy, goober???), or some such crap - if you come to different conclusions than Mikey, you are just plain wrong...NO DISCUSSION!!!! Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on May 01, 2003 at 2:24.]

I am amazed that Wierwille is still being quoted and referred to as if he is an unimpeachable and self-evident authority! It's so because Wierwille said it was so. Why believe Wierwille? Because God made a promise to him. How do we know that God made this promise? Because Wierwille said so. There's nothing wrong with what Wierwille taught, results were virtually non-existant because we didn't believe Wierwille! The abuses Wierwille either perpetrated or inspired are not important because he "taught us the Word". How do we know it was "The Word"? Because Wierwille said so. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Happy birthday Hope, from a fellow N'Yawkah from Lawn Guylund :D--> Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

John: Happy Birthday :D--> You're the first GSer/Waydaler that I ever spoke with, thanks for your support during my transition from "innie" to "outie". Thanks Tom

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Very funny Mike :D--> Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

It was a convulted piece of illogic: Eve ate of the fruit of the tree. People are somewhere refered to figuratively as trees and the part of the person that bears the fruit is the genitalia, and groves are trees cut into the shape of a penis...so...voila, the original sin of mankind was maturbation! This was in Christian Family and Sex, which had no syllabus, and I'm not 100% sure of my memory, but if it was any clearer than that, I would be VERY surprised! For a while I thought I was just missing something, but anyone I asked for an explanation just mumbled and repeated Wierwille's incomprehensible explanation. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

oh yeah? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

...and if Paul was good enough for King James... --> Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Wierwille's definition of ????? (agape) was hooey. An overwhelming number of the words translated "love" are ????? (agape), with only a small amount translated from other Greek words. In fact ????? is even used of "loving" darkness in I John. So many times in teachings, Wierwille or others would come to the word "love" and pronounce solemnly that it was ????? (agape), like it was unique or something, when it was the normal, usual, Koine word for "love". Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

or...maybe the whole thing will be a letdown. If it ever gets posted we'll find out. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

As a public service, I am posting several buzzwords that might get my fellow GSers riled up. Please get it all out of your system now. Feel free to add words. Father in the Word The Teacher "Doctor" Ubiquitous Throughly Absent Christ Mathematical Accuracy Handin a Glove That's riiiight Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

I wish you could read it in the original: ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

As Alice in Dilbert says "must control fist of death..." You may have no particular reason for p*ssing me off, and have no reason to care what I think, or what my opinion is, but you've done a thorough job of it. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike: Questions that I raised in my last post (other than the request for a Cliff's Notes version of your questions to DD and Zix) are rhetorical in nature, so don't stress out about answering them, okay? In fact, if you don't want to take the time to condense a version for me, I'll understand; but otherwise I just don't have the time to wade through those long posts. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike: My replies to you are in bold print. You original comments are left within the quote lines in regular type. So you are saying it's alright then? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 20:51.] [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 20:54.]

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 1:27.]

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

:P--> Double post...oops

All translators and "versionators" from the first century up until Wierwille are suspect. Not necessarily wrong, but we can't trust them. I agree with that, Mike. Why should we trust that some guy with a Roman Catholic axe to grind would make accurate translations? Just because a guy was killed for making an English translation of the bible, that doesn't make him right. And even if we did have an original, and knew it was an original, how would we be able to tust the modern-day Aramaic translators? What a quandry. Yet, with all this skepticism about accuracy going on, somehow we're supposed to trust that Vic Wierwille was able to receive revelation from God and accurately pass it on to us. Yup, with all the clear evidence of plagarism and shoddy scholarship, this is the ONE GUY in TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORYto get it right. Hard to believe Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare