Oakspear

Very funny Mike :D--> Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

It was a convulted piece of illogic: Eve ate of the fruit of the tree. People are somewhere refered to figuratively as trees and the part of the person that bears the fruit is the genitalia, and groves are trees cut into the shape of a penis...so...voila, the original sin of mankind was maturbation! This was in Christian Family and Sex, which had no syllabus, and I'm not 100% sure of my memory, but if it was any clearer than that, I would be VERY surprised! For a while I thought I was just missing something, but anyone I asked for an explanation just mumbled and repeated Wierwille's incomprehensible explanation. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

oh yeah? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

...and if Paul was good enough for King James... --> Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Wierwille's definition of ????? (agape) was hooey. An overwhelming number of the words translated "love" are ????? (agape), with only a small amount translated from other Greek words. In fact ????? is even used of "loving" darkness in I John. So many times in teachings, Wierwille or others would come to the word "love" and pronounce solemnly that it was ????? (agape), like it was unique or something, when it was the normal, usual, Koine word for "love". Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

or...maybe the whole thing will be a letdown. If it ever gets posted we'll find out. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

As a public service, I am posting several buzzwords that might get my fellow GSers riled up. Please get it all out of your system now. Feel free to add words. Father in the Word The Teacher "Doctor" Ubiquitous Throughly Absent Christ Mathematical Accuracy Handin a Glove That's riiiight Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

I wish you could read it in the original: ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

As Alice in Dilbert says "must control fist of death..." You may have no particular reason for p*ssing me off, and have no reason to care what I think, or what my opinion is, but you've done a thorough job of it. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike: Questions that I raised in my last post (other than the request for a Cliff's Notes version of your questions to DD and Zix) are rhetorical in nature, so don't stress out about answering them, okay? In fact, if you don't want to take the time to condense a version for me, I'll understand; but otherwise I just don't have the time to wade through those long posts. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike: My replies to you are in bold print. You original comments are left within the quote lines in regular type. So you are saying it's alright then? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 20:51.] [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 20:54.]

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare [This message was edited by Oakspear on April 21, 2003 at 1:27.]

Mike, help me out here... are you saying that since Stiles, Kenyon et al were not in academia, and neither was Wierwille, then it was okay for him to copy what they wrote, often word-for-word and claim that it was own? Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

:P--> Double post...oops

All translators and "versionators" from the first century up until Wierwille are suspect. Not necessarily wrong, but we can't trust them. I agree with that, Mike. Why should we trust that some guy with a Roman Catholic axe to grind would make accurate translations? Just because a guy was killed for making an English translation of the bible, that doesn't make him right. And even if we did have an original, and knew it was an original, how would we be able to tust the modern-day Aramaic translators? What a quandry. Yet, with all this skepticism about accuracy going on, somehow we're supposed to trust that Vic Wierwille was able to receive revelation from God and accurately pass it on to us. Yup, with all the clear evidence of plagarism and shoddy scholarship, this is the ONE GUY in TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF HISTORYto get it right. Hard to believe Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Looks to me like Wordwolf's description is pretty accurate. Not the words Mike would pick, but accurate nonetheless. Mike does speak for himself, voluminously! The only difference with Wordwolf's description is that he presents Mike's position as a bad thing, while Mike would present the same position positively. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Regarding "Christ In You": Martindale taught that "Christ In You" was figure of speech because he was a literal man who could only be in one place at one time; the figure referred to us having the abilities, etc. of Jesus Christ. Don't know if Martindale's position accurately reflected Wierwille's teaching on this. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Yeah Steve!, that and ten bucks will get you into that bar we went to when I was in Chicago. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Tom's Bedtime CD Pick: Rick Wakeman's The Six Wives of Henry VIII. Very cool! I never got to see Wakeman live, the only time I saw Yes was when Wakeman was on the outs with the rest of the band during the Relayer tour and had Patrick Moraz on keyboards. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

The Moody Blues played here in Lincoln last month, about 2 blocks from my house, but I couldn't get tickets. I'm listening to Spirit right now, a "best of" called Time Circle. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare

Yana: Journey hit the top 40 with Mr. Perry, but they were definitely a better band before he showed up. Rolle and Shoen (sp?) were refugees from Santana, and it showed. Oakspear "We...know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling" Henri Poincare