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Mike, the offer of a Leinenkugel on me still stands, even though I disagree with virtually everything you say. :D--> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Thinking...that's a good thing, right? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Is Vickles going? Let's add her to the list! In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Yeah, I think that's Satriani In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Talk away! I envy you having seen the Y-birds! I was a little too young to have seen them live (I was born in '58) but became a fan after learning that Aerosmith's Train Kept A Rollin' was a Yardbirds cover (1975?). When I was a deejay in the late 80's and early 90's I played a lot of Yardbirds on a blues show that I produced called Shades of Blue: I'd play an old blues standard, say "You Need Love" done by Muddy Waters back to back with Zep's "Whole Lotta Love" (same song basically). The Yardbirds provided a lot of fuel for these back-to-back versions. Didn't the surviving non-famous 'birds get together in the 80's under a different name? I have a vague memory of something or other... In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

I snore Loud In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

False dilemma! Yup, some folks did get blessed and stayed, some folks were stupid and stayed, some folks stayed out of fear, or because of family. I think you missed those posts, Mikey, but then again, the purpose of this site is not to tout our lifestyle choices, but to give folks the "other side" of TWI, (or something like that :D-->Oh, and btw, I wasn't offended at your mention of beer as part of my belief system...all praise Leinenkugel's! In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Old One: Yeah, I was nitpicking :D--> But you know, I'm only going to do that to posters I disagree with, the folks I agree with can get called by the folks that disagree with them. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Thanks for the links...I'm looking forward to hearing that album, Birdland. It will be interesting to hear some of the guest artists, like Joe Satriani performing Yardbirds classics. While visiting my family in NY this past November, we were watching "American Dream" where one of the main characters is dating a guy in a rock band. While they are talking backstage, you hear the unmistakable harpsichord intro to "For Your Love" and see in the background a group that is supposed to be The Yardbirds. Later in the show at an autograph session a fan asks one of the band members where "Mr. Clapton" is, and is told that he has been replaced by Jeff Beck, and that they are sure that Mr. Beck will do just fine. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

...perhaps a pole dance by Sudo around the sacred pear tree? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

I love it when Mike quotes Wierwille's PFAL book to support his belief that PFAL is god-breathed. He quotes from a book that we don't agree on the value of, let alone it's God-breathedness (yes, I made that word up), as if producing the written words of the man many of us consider a charlatan will convince us that he wasn't a charlatan and his word were god-breathed In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

We could have trusted him before he made that statement? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Does backpedaling require a specially constructed bicycle? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Just in case you'd planned on going back and editing it.In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

No Mike, I'm not. Do you know what my "belief system" is? It's one thing to stand firm on your faith and take the consequenses of believing a certain way (as did Stephen. for example), it's quite another to want to stick with a system even after you know it's wrong, or to want to die if you find that your belief is false. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

If PFAL is wrong, isn't the truth; you don't want to change, to adjust to what is the truth? You want to DIE instead? You don't see anything wrong with that mindset? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

sorry, I was hitting the "quote" button, when I wanted "edit"

Maybe we can raise Relf from the dead What are Dreja, McCarty and Samwell-Smith doing? I didn't realize that they were famous these days. (Of course Beck, Clapton and Paige are famous and NOT driving front-end loaders :D-->) In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

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Of course Roy! You make a good point, it is possible to strenuously disagree with a person's opinion, while respecting the person. You and I disagree on almost everything, yet we don't hate each other. :D--> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

Didn't Kay1952 start posting again recenmtly under a different handle? In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

O-Man, I don't know if the poster you quoted meant for "much" to be synonymous with "most", but that's not what was written. I think it would be fair to say that if what Vic taught was in error, then those he plagarized from would be in error also in the instances where the teaching was kept intact and in context. In instances where he "cut and pasted" teachings together then it would not be necessarily true. "Self serving" would seem to fall into the category of motivation. A teaching can be technically correct, but misused. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

I'd rather be the swimmer who doesn't need to be saved, because he didn't almost drown. False dilemma #2! I'd prefer to be taught by someone with high integrity who seeks to maintain it. But while in TWI I was taught by someone with low integrity who got progressively lower. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

...if TWI decides to take legal action? I only see one hand going up...that's who gets to make calls like this. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear

If what Wierwille taught had any value, it would stand on its own merits despite any sins, failures, shortcomings, abuses, what have you, of Wierwille himself. In fact, there are posters here who do believe that there was value, in whole or in part, in PFAL. Believing that PFAL is "god-breathed", and thus inerrant, is absurd. The veneration that most of us gave the man and everything that came out of his mouth while we were "in" was absurd. While plagarism does not necessarily taint the material, it does taint the man. Putting this con man on a pedestal with full knowledge of his character is to excuse and support his abuses. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is Oakspear