Oakspear

ooh, ooh, ooh...I'll do the HUGE coffeepot!

Goey: I believe that he was using equinox days - 12 hours sunlight to make a generalization, rather than do the exact calculations - that part is okay with me. My observation is that he calls the first hour 6 AM, and the third hour, which should be two hours later he calls 9 AM, which is actually three hours later. His error in addition was enshrined in every publication that dealt with Jewish timekeeping.

Boisterous?

The whole concept of there being a "loophole" that the angels could exploit to go home is great! And that existance would end if God was wrong.

Here's one. Insignificant, but an error; in counting! Wierwille mentions that the hours of prayer were the first, third, sixth, ninth, and twelfth hours. Now I don't know whether or not that is correct, but he then converts those hours to modern time keeping: 6:00 AM, 9:00, Noon, 3:00 PM, and 6:00 PM. Look at it for a second, it doesn't add up: 9:00 AM is three hours after 6:00 AM. The third hour is just two hours after the first hour! Assuming that the sun rises at about 6 AM and sets at 6 PM(which Wierwille did for the purposes of his books): 1st = 6 AM 2nd = 7 AM 3rd = 8 AM 4th = 9 AM 5th = 10 AM 6th = 11 AM 7th = Noon 8th = 1 PM 9th = 2 PM 10th = 3 PM 11th = 4 PM 12th = 5 PM ending at 6PM - which would be sundown around the equinoxes. Every reference that Wierwille made to the hour of the day, other than the first was wrong, using his own assumptions. I noticed this the first time I took PFAL, but didn't think it was a big deal, until this "PFAL is god-breathed" stuff came along

Another area where TWI leaders talked out of both sides of their mouths. I never heard Wierwille or Martindale say that we should not listen to secular music, but if either said something negative about it, then there were plenty of leaders as well as regular folks who were ready to condemn it and ban listening to it. My experience was that most leaders had their own favorite kind of non-TWI music which was okay to listen to, but any other kind was "devilish". They would analyze to death the lyrics of music that they considered evil, but ignore the words on records that they liked.

The corned beef is in the crock pot for tomorrow's dinner! Slan!

Catcup: I think GS runs in cycles much more than WD did. We can go for a while with some threads that cover horrifying first-hand accounts and then swing to a period where the threads can be classed as inane at best. Glad to see you back It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

Oldiesman: Your constant drumbeat in these forums is how things were great when you were "in". The fellowship was sweet, the bible was hot, VP was teachin' "da Word". "I was there!" you proclaim, "It wasn't the way you describe it for me." As much as I am tempted to think you are fantasizing about the supposed good days that never where, I'll usually not challenge your own personal experiences (except in jest :D-->), since I wasn't there where you were, when you were. Now you're pontificating about what people who are currently "in" (and unhappy about it) should do. You don't know jacksh## about TWI-2, the LCM years, the Rivenbark reign, whatever. So why don't you shut the ^^^^ up about things you have no knowledge of? What!!??? Just write a letter? Are you freakin' high? I did that and so did igotout. John's exchanges are enshrined here at GS...pay attention...WHAP (backhanded smack to the head)...he was kicked out! Maybe you don't remember my story. I wrote letters too. Fat lot of good it did me. They don't want to listen, they don't want to change, they don't want to hear "the Word", they want to control and they won't put up with dissent! However it was back in f'n Camelot-on-the-Farm in the seventies, it ain't like that now. Sheesh. Read some threads why doncha! We ARE NOT making this stuff up! Those "innies" who post here have good reasons to be "in" and to be part of GS, so back off a couple of paces and have a little compassion. It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

I watched Dogma tonight: funny and thought provoking! I about crapped my pants when Loki shot the guy on the bus. It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

Hey Steve!, how am I going to flirt with your fiancee if you keep coming back after it's been announced that you've left? Geez It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

While I agree that Donna M is fair game as a leader in TWI, and her continued residence in the high rent district of "HQ" is a legitimate topic of discussion; baseless accusations and speculation cheapens us and dilutes the message. She doesn't deserve kid glove treatment, nor any kind of respect for her "privacy" IMHO, but aren't there enough real bad things about her and other TWI poobahs without having to make stuff up? It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

oh yeah baby ;)--> It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

Thanks for the etiquette lesson! :D--> It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

I only checked one source, but blueletterbible.com does not show that "death" is plural in Isaiah 53.It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

B.O.C. prescience... It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

The sun will rise tomorrow saith he who witnesseth the setting of the sun. It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

Sir Todd-a-Lot: Good points about the doctrinal thread. making it a little harder to find kind of keeps out the riff-raff ;)-->. Hmmm, but I managed to get in, so it can't be too exclusive! Even though I voted to move the doctrinal discussion to the doctrinal forum, I'd hate to see "doctrinal" viewed as the back alley garbage can of Grease Spot. For the most part the doctrinal forum has been somewhat self-policing. Posters there generally stick to either biblical texts or some form of logic in making their points. Not to say that there hasn't been personal attacks and assorted craziness (the recurrent theme of free will vs. determinism evokes some heat and the subject of what denomination killed more people over the centuries won't ever really die Lately the quality has somewhat diluted, threads get started about inane subjects (okay "inane" is my owm perception, totally subjective) or arguments are supposedly settled with "that's just what I believe" or "God told me". A-friggin'-men. Contribute something to the thread for God's sake, or just shut up It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

It certainly accelerated the process It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

No two marriages are alike. I'll bet Hope is glad she was patient and waited for John. On the other hand, if I had known how things would turned out i would have jumped ship long before. It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

My opinion of what the forums should be for: About The Way - Discussions of actions of leaders, TWI "culture", doctrine insofar as it impacted the "believers" Doctrinal - Discussion of the doctrines and beliefs of Wayworld separate from the application or abuse of them in TWI Examples: A thread about how the debt policy impacted home owners in TWI would be in About The Way, while a thread about whether he no debt policy is biblical or not would be in Doctrine Mike's Threads about Mastering PFAL etc, as well as the Actual Errors in PFAL threads would be in Doctrinal, while a thread about how TWI marketed PFAL should go in About The Way It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

Mike: Some posters have come lately to the "Mike Wars" and haven't seen your opinions/beliefs posted previously. A question about your beliefs might be a desire to be sure that your sincere, serious statement is not mistaken for sarcasm or humor, or that those of us who disagree with you haven't misrepresented you. Pour a little ice water on your head, man. Ya' know...cool off It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

bump It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

Okay Pat, but be careful, you don't want to end up like those people who thought that they were going to live on Comet Hale-Boppe It doesn't matter if we turn to dust...guess I'll see you dancin' in the ruins tonight Oakspear

proberge: I'm not saying that Wierwille was necessarily right, but his explanation makes a lot more sense than yours IMHO. Copyright 2004 by the author. Permission to copy, quote from, reproduce ;)--> and make fun of given to anyone who doesn't copyright their posts Oakspear