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I stand by my statementActually, I'm in the minority here since I am no longer a Christian post-TWI, but it's not because of Wierwille's sins. And I had the same reaction that rascal did which she ably expressed in the following quote: What many if not all have done is to discontinue believing what Wierwille taught just because Wierwille taught it. In other words, Wierwille's word that something is true is not good enough, the "truth" must be corroberated from another, more trustworthy, source.

Hmm...Oldies throws out some of what Wierwille taught, but that's just because it "makes sense" and "nothing better has come along"...anyone else throws out some of what Wierwille taught andthey are "renouncing 'The Word' because of Wierwille's sins".

Yes we do :D-->

Despite being originally from NYC, I really hate the Yankees. Go Red Sox!

Hi Radar (you weren't asking me a question - just wanted to let you know someone is paying attention to you) :P--> all this talk about spankings is making me sweaty )

Liar. And how would you know what went on? Reading your crystal ball? You make all kinds of wild assumptions about my motives without a shred of evidence. Liar You weren't trying to cause trouble for TWI? --> That's what it looked like to me too --> Could you inform us (or re-inform us as the case may be) what "really" went on?

Yup Shaz & Cat...my position exactly!

Only went after '78, so it was all at New Knox for me. I hotelled it a few times, that was comfortable, but I didn't like being away from the "action". Never RVed Tents were okay when I was young and single, but hell when I had young kids with me

Nooooo smart guy ;)--> The larger one is a Boy Scout emblem and the smaller a Webelos pin. Although you can't see it in the picture, on my right hand is a silver ring with leaves and a dove in the center that I bought at the ROA in 1979. The chain around my neck is holding up a Celtic knot design that represents the three aspects of the goddess. :D--> Oh, Mr. Dictator: Can we move the Roast back to September? The folks who requested October didn't come...I have inventory the 1st weekend in October and am working at Mystic Fest the 2nd weekend

Well, I found it a welcome challenge to particiapate in discussions without going into agnostic mode. But I hope some of those who left GS will come back & play with us some more

Whether anyone can produce the quotes or not, I remember Rascal being called a liar and full of crap. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Hey Rascal...looks like you've hidden your goat...it doesn't look like he's getting it!

FRom The Cult That Snapped, pp124-125, by Karl Kahler.

dmiller: Can you provide an example of what a "politically correct" monument might be?

Oh good, cuz two failed efforts would have established it, doncha know.

So...there were two "failed" efforts -->

...other than in someone's dreams and imagination

Can anyone name just one poster who has rejected "The Word" because of VP's sins? Or even has rejected any of what TWI taught (true or not) because of Wierwille's sins? I suspect that such a person does not exist.

No one stole me...TWI set me out on the curb.

I was referring to the one VP allowed to stay and graduate, with Del & Nancy D. Pat Lynn? That's the first time that I ever heard a name of anyone in the so-called "zero corps". For those of you who missed the Way-nineties: by 1995 or so there was no one left from the First Way Corps who was still standing with The Way. There was only LCM from the Second Way Corps. At the final ROA Martindale christened some of the "old-timers", Don Wierwille, the Trustee wives, maybe the Georges as "THe First Corps" in recognition of...well in recognition of something or another.

Where do these myths and religious urban legends come from? I saw the story that is recounted on the link you provided over at Living Epistles. It didn't ring true, but I didn't have any evidense for or against. While most of the Founding Fathers were members of mainstream Christian churches, there were a distinct minority who were Deists or humanists. One hardly has to invent alleged sayings of the founders to support the contention that most of them were Christians. Remember that within the context of the 1780's, religious diversity meant various Protestant sects, Jews and Catholics were barely tolerated, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists were virtually unheard of and the native religions were being wiped out along with their adherants. Times have changed. And it's not just a matter of the "evil" atheists and secular humanists trying to eliminate God from government, but recognition that an ever-growing percentage of our people are not Christian.

skyrider: According to Mrs. Wierwille's book Born Again to Serve there was a Board of Directors made up of a variety of PFAL grads and leaders in the early days of The Way. They were not a bunch of rubber-stamping yes-men, so Wierwille eliminated them in favor of the easier-to-control three man Board of Trustees. Wierwille is quoted in the book as saying that the board was not set up to argue with him, but to support him.

Oldiesman: Your whitewashing and denial of evil does God a disservice. We can all see through your pretended inability to understand others' positions (nobody is that stupid). You have learned well the lessons of your idol.

Wierwille & his flacks often said that the money from the classes was to "build committment" and that during the time when there was no fee, people wouldn't stay committed. So? Are we really responsible for what people do with what we teach them? Was it God's will that we get people committed to an organization?

Bzzzzzt! Wrong answer....thanks for playing :D-->