Oakspear

CG: You referred to reasons that people give for posting here and rejected them. So you've heard the reasons, and if you hear them again you'll in all likelyhood reject them again. That's your privelege. Honestly, I don't understand why you're asking the question...you already know the answers that folks will give :D--> - you just don't agree with 'em...again, your privelege. Heck, I don't understand why you start so many threads with titles that give no clue as to what the topic actually is, but I'm not criticizing...oops, I guess I just did :o-->

YES...I'd told her ...I just hadn't been very clear about the date...especially since we hadn't set it yet :D-->

Any of you GSers who attend will get to meet the lovely and talented Oakmom (who emailed me about the contents of this thread today :D-->) as well as the equally talented but not as lovely Oakdad ;)--> (Hi Mom!)

What else can you tell us about it, def?

I'm more of an information junkie; I read quite a bit. Back in my TWI days I worked for a newspaper (circulation - I was not one of the princely reporters :D-->) and read 2 or 3 papers a day, but not so much any more

Oh my non-pineapple-pizza-eatin', ex-New Yorker, Florida resident, Baruch alumni...I am very concerned

Even Oakie, huh? :P--> By the way, you mentioned that Lucifer wanted to exalt his throne above God. The verse quoted says the stars of God. Is there any source other than Wierwille (and later Martidale) who translated that verse as "above THE star: God"? Seems to me that the genetive of possession in Hebrew was expressed by placing the possessing noun immediately after the object of possession (I know, I'm setting my self up for "possession" jokes) In other words the Hebrew words for stars God would be translated stars of God.

My good man: my drivel is very responsive!

Just so, Lindy, ya nailed it If someone describes a phenomenon, and claims it is God, or the devil, oe ESP, or aliens, or the IRS, my doubt does not mean that it can't be any of those things, just that I don't see any evidence to support the contention that it is. I can't remember where I saw this, but unexplained phenomena are usually explained by way of whatever pet belief the believer believes in. ;)--> The Christian believes that the unexplained event is evidence of God, the psychic believes that it is evidence of psychic phenomena, the UFO enthusiast that aliens were involved, a Hindu might credit Krishna or some other deity, etc. All we really know is that something apparently unexplainable happened

Wrong again Penta breath! -->

http://www.despair.com/cluelessness.html

Del D was quoted in Karl K's The Cult That Snapped as heading up a "rescue team" that broke into houses and hotel rooms and such to rescue those being "deprogrammed". Other than what Lifted Up has shared, I have only met one other person who had been abducted for a deprogramming. This person escaped on his own. Wierwille wrote a By The Way paid editorial in 1980 or 81 about another deprogramming attempt. The abductee also ecaped on his own. If TWI was kidnapping back the kidnapped they never made it public as far as I know.

Lindyhopper: Good questions!

I couldn't care less about oxy water. I come here for the entertainment

Oops...the second link uses the term "evolved"...my mistake :o--> He is quoted as saying "Follow the evidence, wherever it leads." - which IMHO, many more biblical literalists fail to do than scientists

Mr. Flew, according to the first link, has changed his mind several times, and has admitted that his opinion that life couldn't have begun on it's own without divine intervention was based on a misunderstanding of what a physicist said about biochemistry. He did not address evolution, but the appearance of DNA in the first self-reproducing life form. His concept of God as he describes it is nowhere near the Christian or biblical one; he envisions God has the initiator who sat back and refused to get involved...like the Deists' God.

Oops, missed that when I first looked, you're right...Bullinger says that christos should always be translated "messiah" - seems a bit straining-at-gnatish, but that's Bullinger -->

Thanks for checking and posting the results --> It's all implication and assumption, but it well thought out implication and assumption. :D-->

I just looked at the Companion Bible and don't see where Bullinger would translate the first "Christ" as Messiah. And why would he? "Christ" is the anglicization of the Greek christos, while Messiah is the anglicization of the Aramaic meshichah(sp?), both which mean the same thing: "annointed". Undoubtedly, the word translated "Christ" in the verse is christos, since the KJV translators were using a Greek text.

Happy 1st!

Lifted: We're thinking August at the earliest.

I've gotten apologies from a few people and have given a few; no letters though :P--> I'd like to see an "official" apology from TWI...yeah, right

I no longer have a bible dictionary. Laying down their cloaks = proxy votes? Also in the bible dictionary? How do we know that he was a voting elder and that he cast the deciding vote? Sorry, but just because Wierwille said it isn't good enough for me, and that's the only documentation that I've ever heard.

Well, at least we agree about something. :)-->(Just don't ask me to believe that it was some demon playing around in that corn field.) Hey, it is boring in husker land, got to do something till they reinvent the football program. Hey! Def: it's one think to disagree over doctrine and the existance or non-existance of God...but now you've gone too far.

How do we know what the standards for membership in the Sanhedrin were? What is the documentation? How do we know that Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin?