Oakspear

Thanks geek

1. Since you were told that Martindale's "one time affair" was in the past, and that he had "handled the situation according to the Word", and he was even named head of research, why was he kicked out? 2. Since, in so many situations, perhaps upwards of 95% of all situations where one spouse was kicked out or put on probation, both were kicked out, even if only one was "off the Word", why was Donna allowed to stay in, and given a position of honor? 3. Since the writings of former Way leaders such as John Lynn, Peter Wade and Walter Cummins, and even music from Joyful Noise, Pressed Down, etc, was removed from the Way bookstore due to negative influences, why is The Rise & Expansion of the Christian Church in the First Century by Martindale still being used? 4. The Way often claims that there is nowhere else that The Word is being taught to discourage people from leaving. Since there are offshoot ministries that teach virtually the same thing, why do they still make this claim? 5. Since large parts of Receiving the Holy Spirit Today, among other writings, is lifted almost word-for-word from other authors, and virtually all of what is in Power for Abundant Living is derived from other sources, how can Wierwille have claimed that he was teaching the Word of God as it hadn't been taught since the First Century? 6. If Wierwille believed the promise that God supposedly made to him, that he would teach the Word to Wierwille as it hadn't been taught since the First Century if he would only teach others, why was he ready to "chuck it all" in 1951 (?) when he went down to Tulsa and learned to speak in tongues? 7. If Chris Geer and those who followed him out the door are so devilish, and the Passing of the Patriarch is so "off the Word", why did all three Trustees sign it and write remarks in the margins that they agreed with it? 8. An hour with a Young's concordance will show that none of the Hebrew words that Martindale "defines" in his teaching on The Original Sin of Mankind" in WayAP carry a sexual connotation, why then is this nonsense still being taught? 9. Show me a text that has "God" as the first word. Not a translation or a paraphrase. A text. After you fail to find one; why is it taught that it is? 10. Why does a ministry that promotes research, and supposedly teaches the skills to "work the Word" make statements like "we haven't found a text, but it has to be that way?

Your god was kinda slow for a lot of folks

Well, they do mean different things

I apologize

I voted, but I doubt what I believe now could be called a system

We're not trying to "overun" it. But thanks anyway.

The power we had...if we only KNEW IT!

I haven't "joined" anything, but on an individual level, anything that is an absolute gets my attention. Any system of thought or belief that discourages questioning sets off the alarms. Any deriding or disparaging of those who aren't in the know raises my hackles.

Maybe you were taught WRONG Hmmm...maybe she believes suicide is wrong/sinful I think that the statistics would not back up that belief. Part of the hard-to-prove "law of believing"

I wonder if they realize how many of us 90's wayfers stayed in because Mrs. Wierwille stood with them? When I came back to TWI in 1990 after being away for a few years, I was confused by conflicting stories from the Martindale loyalists and those who left after P.O.P. - I figured that if Wierwille's widow was standing up there with Martindale, then that was a good indicator of where I should stand. Yeah, thanks loads Mrs. W

and type slower

use smaller words rascal

Doncha think "mistress" sounds sexier and more mysterious?

yeah Frank...being "outside the household" made me, by definition, wrong...unsound mind and all that. My wife at the time was still "in" when I was kicked out. It made resolving disagreements between us very easy for her: she was right, I was wrong, since she was "in the household" and I wasn't.

Rascal: You ARE the mistress of darkness, aren't you?

and another thing ; - ) If the only way your god can get his "word" out is through a lying, abusive, egomaniac, then perhaps you need a new god.

If one believes that what was taught in TWI was NOT "The Word of God", then how is criticizing their doctrine blaspheming God?

I really wonder how many people were good, loving people before they got involved in twi in the first place,whether they changed and after leaving 'reverted back' to their good, loving nature ??!!

It was obvious that Wierwille got some of his material from Bullinger, but it was not generally lifted word-for-word. Possibly because Bullinger's 19th century writing style was hard for many people to read. I assumed that the "not taught since the First Century" stuff was "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today" and other books and classes. When I started hearing that Wierwille came up with his doctrine independently of Bullinger, I found it hard to believe, and assumed that those who said it did not know what they were talking about.

and THAT, my friend, is the "natural" source of the oxygen!

jwbm: Different song, but not a bad one!

"Weakness Brings Down Strength" is another example of Martindale or Wierwille making some statement as if there was no other possible way it could be, and declaring it to be TRUTH. Does "weakness" ASWAYS bring down, or corrupt "strength"? They would give examples like rot in a fruit taking over the whole fruit, which would be true IN THAT CASE, but why assume that SOME examples of weakness bringing down strength would mean that ALL weakness would bring down ALL strength? I think it depends. They used this statement to keep us isolated from non-Way people, claiming that they're weakness would corrupt our strength. If this was true, then how could witnessing ever work? How could whole cities in the Book of Acts turn away from their old beliefs (weakness by the TWI definition) to following Paul (strength)?

Martindale was one of the idiots who was saying that the Louie, Louie lyrics were evil, or dirty or both. I'd hear Way Corps people parrot it, and then ask them what the words actually were. They never knew. The way I heard it, the classic Kingsman version is hard to understand for two reasons: it was recorded in one take, so some of the words were kind of mumbled over, and everything was recorded by one boom microphone, the singer having to shout UPWARDS to be heard.

Good point about the studying: when did he do it? Another point: how many times was Wierwille "ready to chuck the whole thing"? Right before the supposed "snow on the gas pumps" incident he was ready to throw in the towel until God talked to him. That was 1942, after he had been a minister for only one year. What year was it when he went to Tulsa and spoke in tongues for the first time? 1951? After nine years of "God teaching him the Word like it hadn't been taught since the First Century" he was ready to quit again, because he wasn't seeing results. And where did the lady who told him to teach about the abundant life (Rosalind Rinker?), rather tha negatives, come in?