Jim

Your're welcome.

I can give you a couple of specifics. The EOB conference room at HQ was bugged. Meeting were taped. VPW wore a mic under his tie and a recorder in his pocket when it suited him. I know because I'm ashamed to say that I changed the batteries in the mics.

Personally, it was with the announcement that Loy would be VP's successor. I knew I would no longer have my heart in TWI and my financial support would be very limited at best. As someone else pointed out in an earlier thread, Loy signed the TWI financial death warrant by killing ROA and the WOW program and making Corps full-time.

I think I'm going to be sick...

Who is Barnard? As to perfection, we've had about 20 years of non-stop documentation of pretty much how imperfect TWI leadership has been. It would appear that virtually all of the TWI "followers" at least tried to live a more Christian life than the high level leadership. God will ultimately be the judge. Personally, I am acutely aware of how imperfect I am on many levels. Convincing yourself you are perfect when you are not is a lie. Realizing your imperfections gives you the opportunity to correct your errors.

That's a bit harsh. Some countries were taught beermaking by the Germans and then stayed the course. I often wonder what pre-prohibition beer tasted like. It would have been brewed by first and second generation German-American brewmasters. I bet it would have been a lot different from the BudMicCoors that we have now.

Totally agree. What a clown to pick as a best friend and confidant. I might also add that the rank and file believers were ripe for a change by the mid 80's. In the 70's, twigs and branches were run by non-corps in a loving and relatively loose way. By the early 80's, an abundance of corps grads needing work were given those jobs. That took a lot of the local heart out of the branches and twigs and caused no small amount of unhappiness.

This is a sad thread in more ways than one. John Townsend was a great human being and a great leader. I worked with him when he was California limb leader and when he was in charge of staff at TWI. I also have no doubt he went over to the dark side, having heard it from a good friend who flew to HQ to talk to him after the passing of a patriarch letter. So that makes me sad. I'd rather remember the old John Townsend. I'm also sad that this thread had to erupt in such bitterness over bringing this stuff up. I guess it can't be helped.

Oh yeah. Required reading and pretty much required twig teaching at least a couple times a year. I agree that the fat pig, moneywise was abundant sharing. OTOH, I'm hard pressed to think of any TWI product that wasn't profitable given their overhead and production costs. Look at SNS tapes. They were produced on equipment that belonged in the trash, with unpaid overtime labor and the cheapest materials that could be found. They had to make a dollar or two on every one shipped. Same with classes, ROA, advances, etc...

And thank you for the Langewiesche article. The guy is a modern-day Steinbeck. Have you read Stick and Rudder by his father?

This month's AOPA magazine had a detailed account of the accident... Safety Pilot Landmark Accidents: The day the music died

See my post above. It's double bock (English) or doppelbock (German). Bock means "bottom" and it's where the yeast live during fermentation. Double means twice as strong. BTW, I just picked up a bottle of Fullsail Doppelbock and found it to be quite good.

Paul Simon Vladimir Putin Clint Eastwood Marvin Minsky Burt Rutan William Langewiesche

The mark "The Word over The World" along with the globe, tree and open bible was trademarked in 1981 and canceled in 2004. You can do your own trademark search here. Click on Trademarks in the box on the left.

Yeah, seems like Ernst and Young was in some big scandal. Thought it was Enron, but that was Arthur Anderson.

Socks knows whereof he speaks...

Never went in the corps, never had lice. OTOH, the thread brings back some incredibly painful memories of the two times my daughter brought home a head full of lice while in grade school. A huge screamfest/cryfest of stripping and laundering all the bedding, vacuuming all the rooms, twice, The Girl quarantened in the bathroom with stinky lice shampoo on her head and me combing and picking out the lice and nits. Truly, truly awful.

Just playing with Vista 7 for a little while and it seems good. But I'm totally satisfied with XP pro and won't switch until I can't get programs and drivers that will work with it. -------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, time for an Intel joke in rebuttal. Two Intel Pentium engineers walk into a bar and order beers. The bartender says "that will be two-fifty each". One of the engineers slaps a five on the bar and says "keep the change".

What's next, colon cleanse and enemas? When will the horrors ever stop!!!!!

Pretty much all of them. I wanted to be a scientist, but didn't stay in school long enough. My daughter has fulfilled that dream for me, she is going to graduate this spring with a BS in botany and go on to grad school. I've managed to become a pretty good engineer/inventor and built a small company around my products. I dreamed of creating things and getting them patented, and I have 2 patents. They are way overrated, btw. I dreamed of flying and having an airplane and I have that. I dreamed of having my own machine shop where I could build anything I want and I have that. The things of more value that I have and didn't dream for are a good wife, a good child and a couple of good dogs, in that order.

Sparkling rice water. It should not even be allowed to be called beer. For me, the Alpha and Omega of beer are the German doublebocks, with Optimator my personal favorite.

Jim Dopp Steve Heefner B. G. Leonard Deprogrammers "Unbelievers" on TWI property No facts to back it up, just my idle speculation...

Is anyone currently living in the Wierwille farmhouse?

If the work was by Bud Morgan, it would have been film, not video. He worked exclusively with 16mm. OTOH, it would be hard to know the difference at the twig level.

You may find both The Stanford Prison Experiment and The Milgram Experiment of interest. Both deal with unexpected consequences of coercing people. Stanley Milgram wrote an interesting book based on his experiment titled Obedience to Authority.