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In just a few seconds I saw a complete parody of "The Blues Brothers". Joe Coulter drives VPW's old Olds Electra 88 to Toledo to get LCM. LCM says "Where's the motorcoach?", Joe replies "I traded it for a television camera". The two of them make a wild trip around the country trying to get Vince, Bo and Walter to "join the band". Ted plays the part of Cab Calaway. Donna plays Twiggy and keeps trying to kill LCM, Rosie plays the Nazis trying to kill both of them. They make up posters anouncing ROA 08, etc, etc, etc. You get the picture. I have to go do my laundry.

Subaru.

I am Spartacus.

Spiritually and financially free beyond my wildest dreams.

I know there's quite a few military vets here and I thought this might be of interest. #### WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag. Current law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen not in uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying whether they can or should salute the flag. "The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one's military service," Senator Inhofe said. "Veterans and service members continue representing the military services even when not in uniform. "Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves confusion as to whether veterans and service members out of uniform can or should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify this regulation, allowing veterans and servicemen alike to salute the flag, whether they are in uniform or not. "I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at baseball games, parades and formal events. I believe this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role models to others citizens. Those who are currently serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an inspiration to others."

No job is too difficult for the man who doesn't have to do it.

Skyrider, I started reading this thread with a giant yawn. It didn't take long to see your brilliant insight into another aspect of Wierwilleian deception. Thanks.

Wow, that's all helpful. I'm glad you're happy in France. I sure wouldn't be. If you ask me why, I'll be happy to tell you. You don't think we'd want to go into outer space sober do you? Not even our astronauts do that. You really don't have a clue as to the infrastruture of my neighborhood though, do you. If you did, you'd know that the biggest problem is the city and county spending too much on it. But then I know that because I live here, I read the budgets and see the maintanence and I''m an engineer. And I also spend 5 years as an elected director on the board of a wastewater district. I paid my dues looking at sewers, treatment plants and settling ponds. They were kept in compliance with the strictest pollution laws in the *world*. It's all just a passing money grab. The internet will eventually even it all out. Right now the pigopolists are taking their last final shot for the cash before their sandcastles wash away. No worse than 10 years after Vietnam. You being French, you must remember Vietnam, right? Battle of diem bien phu and all. How about Algiers, remember that? I like my Hispanic friends better than any French I've met. I'll keep them.

You live in France, or is it Africa so why do you even care?

Before I start, I just want to let you know I'm in an unusually churlish mood today... Um, agreed, because as far as I can tell, we are. Now you've lost me, particularly the part about huge scale. One bridge collapsed. A bridge, BTW that was remarkable in the length of it's unsupported span, it's lack of any structural redundancy, and it's first use of a permanently installed deicer. One bridge. Did someone fsk up? Yup. In fact, several people probably fsked up to lead to the bridge falling down. Is this a huge scale? No, it's one bridge. One big bridge, I'll give you that, but not a big scale. And BTW, the reason will be known, just not today. As my wife and I discussed it last night, there will be tests, reports, blame placed, blame spread around and asses covered. But ultimately, we'll hear about cracks, corrosion and metal failure. Falling apart at the seams? I think not. Try visiting Mexico for a week then get back to me. An illusion? The television you watch is the illusion. And as far as I'm concerned, the less Washington does, the better. And help me out here, was the bridge maintained by the state or the federal government? That's a different question. One bridge collapsing is hardly a justification of abandoning a war. OTOH, it's a stupid war and it's a war that seems to line the pockets of far too many rich Texans. If you want to talk about getting out of Iraq, that's fine. But yah can't justify doing it because a bridge fell over. Nor can you make any sort of statistical conclusion that the US's infrastructure is on the verge of collapse because one bridge collapsed. You remind me of the doomsayers that bought generators and stored away food to ride out Y2K.

Ok, I'm running a little slow today, I'll admit. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what your point is from that statement. Please try to explain it again. I don't want to talk about wakeup calls, but I would like to understand what you're talking about.

I don't know. On average, 110 people die *every day* in car accidents in the US. As tragic as the bridge collapse is, it's loss of life barely rises above the noise of auto accidents in general. European television is no better than ours. Which is to say that they run the stories with the most emotional impact to get the greatest market share. Europe has had their share of infrastructure failures over the years as well. High speed train accidents and tunnel fires come to mind right away. Keep in mind also that most of the bridges in europe were destroyed and rebuilt after WWII. We have many more, older bridges here.

They're sheep, they don't need any explaination.

Accuracy, at least in the context that I've come to know it, has no relevance to religion. A thing is accurate only to the degree that it's accuracy is specified. And the accuracy can be checked and verified to higher standards which are ultimately checked against primary standards that are either based on physical principles or agreed upon specifications. I can't for the world of me see how this could apply to the Bible, the Koran, or any other holy book. As to the paycheck example, it's kinda non-sequitur. Your wages, taxes and deductions are all rounded off to the nearest cent. *That* is the limit of accuracy and we all accept it. Nobody objects to loosing 1/3 of a cent, yet your paycheck is *not* accurate. And as for the distance between the earth and the sun, who knows what would have happened if the earth was closer or further? What kind of life would have evolved? If you maintain that it *could* have been closer or further, you're either meddling in the affairs of the God that created both *or* you're denying the possiblity that a different life and environment might have evolved that would have compensated for the distance.

I don't know anything about dentistry, but that number of cavities and sensitivity just seems wrong. I admire you for taking a job to pay for this. Nonetheless, you should try to get a commitment from your daughter inlaw to at least match your contribution. I get the feeling that there are habits that need to change, such as diet and brushing, and they're not going to change unless she feels some of the pain of fixing the problem. Remember that the child still has 14 years until he's an adult and that's plenty of time for another couple $2000 dental bills if things don't change. And BTW, I'm glad you went ahead and posted this.

I don't mean to discourage you, but the terms "working at home" and "high demand" might be mutually exclusive.

1. Can't find a Data Processing geek to set up his router. 2. Can't find an A/V tech to plug in his speakers. 3. Still looking for the "Any" key. 4. Broke his CDROM drive by using it as a coffee cup holder. 5. Like his sex life, his operating system is stuck in single user mode. 6. Threats and bullying won't get rid of the error messages. 7. Thinks NumLock is some kind of wrestling move. 8. Thinks SDRAM is some kind of goat. 9. Thinks USB Port is some kind of wine. 10. Thinks Safe Mode involves a condom and a motorcoach.

Well said, Potato. Isn't it just incredible that the organization that we loved so much and felt so strongly was *right* could end up so corrupt?

LOL.

You forgot Dr. Demento... Or maybe not...

Excuse me while I go stick my finger down my throat and vomit. I don't have anything to say. I can't put my frustration and rage into words after reading this. Thank God we're out of it.

Shouldn't this be in "Keep your Eye on the Ball" or something...

I just went over the coop to buy a gallon jug of Euclayptus Soap. We dilute it 50/50 with purified water and store it in a 2 gallon tapper container. From there we refill squeeze bottles that are in the bathrooms, showers, kitchen and garage. A diluted one gallon jug lasts us about a year and a half. My wife and I were using Dr. Bronner's individually before we met, about 24 years ago, and are still using it.

Only if I could sit in the back with excathedra, crack jokes and make fun of them.

Grade school and Jr high - paper route, shoveling snow, mowing lawns, raking leaves. High school - Boxboy, bucking bails, pumping gas, running movie theater projectors, library assistant, photographer.