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I have everything lined and marked that was already mentioned plus more that I cant really remember. (Every use of ALSO was one of them :wacko: , odd poems, the WOW card i signed.... strange meaningless oneliners, things are crossed out..etc). The cover has fallen off three or four times and I kept making new ones. I carved the new leather cover with a wow pin like symbol at some point. I still have it, as it was a big part of my life for about ten years, but I couldnt even look at it for about 10 years after that I still have a hard time reading it, there is just too much extraneous crap echoing out of its pages to get a clear read on anything. If I get a hankering to read the bible I have plenty of crisp,clean, never written in bibles that are better. I am not a big bible reader anymore but while we are on the subject I'd like to ask, did anyone else have trouble just reading the bible after wayworld? I couldnt touch it and stay focussed for a good long time. Simple verses triggered entire way teachings before I would have chance to get to the next verse. Reading one verse would bring in a flood of old teachings and TWI style A.D.D. causing my mind to jump to 70 other verses before proceeding on. Maybe it was me, but the programming was hard to break, as I said it took me a good 10 years just to be able to read it again with feeling that influence. The joy of just reading it which I once had has never been recovered.

Nah, ---God, couldnt have anyone actually getting inspired or uplifted in anyway. They gotta show that dude who's in charge

The Allman Brothers "Live at Fillmore East" was recorded 40 years ago this weekend---time does pass like a vapor---but it is still one of my favorite albums. Whipping Post Part 1 <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/FXA35JnaeKA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Part 2 <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/QUEQctGkYJY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Part 3 <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/GjFIzkMoQWw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Now thats a jam

I can understand the concept of a mentor guiding and being a spiritual friend and helper to someone and that person perhaps being affectionately referred to as a 'father' of some sort. Maybe that was Martindale's point in that, for good or for bad, he did have a close personal relationship with VPW. But I never knew him at all, I may have shaken his hand once but he never even spoke to me or I to him...Even if he was without all his known offenses and shortcoming and was an upstanding minister on all fronts, there is still no way that he could be called my mentor or father because I never met him or knew him in the slightest. Unless he was playing the role of absentee, unknowing, uncaring and abusive father then it would fit ...(like a hand in a glove )

It would be interesting to find out how funds are dispersed when a nonprofit shuts down. Creditors obviously, then everyone who left could all file lawsuits demanding our money back I suppose.Maybe we should do it anyway Ive never seen the bylaws but I would hazard a guess that they were probably setup to protect Wierwille when he was the Pres, and probably vests way too much power to the President to be touchable.

Just as a sidelight, I happened upon this Letter yesterday, to a higher up in the Episcopal Church from the House of Bishops. Bear in mind that this Leader is NOT accused of sexual abuse, but knowing about ONE case and not doing anything about it(sweeping one case under the rug). I thought that the stark juxtapostion between TWI and the genuine concern and care of a christian organization was very striking and and moving to see how it can be handled

I have to admit that I never heard Wierwille use the term but he never stopped it from being used either. I heard mostly it from Martindale and other Wierwille genuflectors and buttkissers..The terms for VP seemed to get progressively more outrageous as TWI grew I'll give him "Reverend' since he apparently earned that title. Then the fake "Doctor" was added which is very squirrelly and underhanded. By the time I was in it was "THE Man of God", "The Teacher" and " Our Father in the Word". Looking back its sort of like a sideshow or joke to attempt to add some sort of legitimacy to something that was completely average at its very best. Every church in the world has bible study classes. Woopdedoo. It takes alot of audacity to pretend to be someone that you're not--and alot of arrogance I know quite a few people in christian circles with titles that they have earned by virtue of their education or position and are required to formally carry by church canon. For the most part they joke about them and think that they aren't worth the bother. I don't either.

Usually dies out?? Where does it do that? If anything their capability to serve their community and the world would grow, if like any healthy church it had real inclinations to servein some capacity Size really has nothing to do with what an organization can and cannot do,it is a matter of their biblical priorities. Entities that cling to TWI type teachings will never ever have real service oriented ministries and will always have a priority of building their own organization instead of service because the fada in the verd and the example was an egomaniac

A way offshoot actually doing something? I'd like to hear otherwise,that theyre out building hospitals, schools or curing aids or something but its not very likely from any group that still reveres Wierwille. Self centeredness and way theology go hand in hand

Im on the road again this morning, heading south... <iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Si759fiEx3c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> ..this road really does go on forever... :B) :)

Take your songbooks and turn to that great old :) Good Strategy TBone, as strange is it sounds now one of the last songs that I lead in a twig was the theme to the Flintstones. Everything in wayworld needs a theme. I suggest some thematic exit songs, I had "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" near the top of the list.

wow -something Vic and I agree on. I never did and never will understand the locked and loaded wing of christianity.

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...and I had a car named Furthur (back in the days when I named my cars), named after The Merry Pranksters Bus. I spent the summer of 74 galavanting around the hemisphere in a 66 Valiant-- from the east coast to Alaska to the Grand Canyon reading that book. I know for at least that year I was "on the bus"

When I got here, I took a right....

You stayed up pretty late! I remember a kids show on in Boston in the late 50's. Everyday at 12 O'clock "Big Brother Bob" had all the kids in the audience toast a glass of milk to the President while they played Hail to the Chief. I remember that just about every day when I was 3 and 4, I'd say Here's to you President Eisenhower!,and drink my milk standing at attention in front of the TV, It was a good and very wholesome show for kids. What a horrorshow it would be if anyone tried to do that today, they'd be a civil war

What the hell?--were they hammered on the margaritas, followed with several shots of tequila when they came up with that one? I cant see any sober person ever thinking that was worth anything.... Warning: stay away from the bar in the mexican restaurant when making up phrases for bill boards, its not so good in the morning

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Many a man has come to this crossroad.

1.) Its the greatest mystery in the world today :) 2.) absolutely not. I do NOT go to church, but I work in churches of many different denominations and types all over the country. We might disagree on alot of things but almost without fail we get along great. I actually like people that dont have the "this is the way it is period and you better believe it because I am right" mindset. 3.) Tapped into the root the same way a root sucks nutrients and life from the soil. Its a money generator. In the 80's, the last time I had a tape subscription it was $5 a week for a tape that probably cost 20 or 30 cents to produce. With postage, they made about $4.00 profit off of each tape. Multiply that by 1000 or 5000 or 10000 (mandatory subscriptions you know) and they were making a pretty hefty sum EACH WEEK for mindlessly duping tapes and making labels.(Pay some drone 50 cents an hour to do it too) Multiply that times 52, then add in all the series, special tapes, tapes of the month, University of Life that you just have to listen to and pretty soon you can buy an airplane and a college campus or two. Nobody is tapped into any root, the root is tapped into them, matrix style, getting its $$ and increasing its control

The name of my company is Morningstar Stained Glass-- I had been mstar1 on the internet for about 5 or 6 years already when waydale and then greasespot showed up, so I kept it.

Id really like to hear what a committed innie has to say, if only for the selfish reason of wanting to know what i probably sounded like 30 years ago.... OTOH He may tell me I didnt rightly divide his post, he said that he'd 'take' questions, not that he'd answer them

Not to get too far off topic but since we are there, Johnny Jumpup is an old Irish term for very potent home distilled 'cider' akin to american moonshine Lyrics More importnatly--Good Work Wolf

your words not mine... There are pages upon pages of questions we've been waiting a year and a half to hear the answers to. At the very least we know the S.O.W.E.R.S. position on being a Man of your word.... staying true their TWI forbearers, personal responsibility is not in the gameplan

I was wondering the same thing... It is such a bizarre phrase