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** crickets chirping** anyone still here? are you bemoaning the evils of inter-league play as much as me?

Im reading behind the scenes sirg, mulling it over and think that you are probably onto something that may fairly well describe what did happen.. If indeed their were peak experiences , spiritual insights or whtever you choose to call them in many ways they were upended by Wierwilles egotism...had he sought some sort of spiritual direction or guidance instaed of being a lone wolf rejecting nearly all of 2000 years of christian learning and deciding to go it alone and HE was the man...he may have been able to reach a cogent and useful plateau with some help...who knows --he may have become a genuine mystic given some disciplined guidance...but without it all he could develop was the slipshod near faithless package deal of explaining what might happen if your lucky enough to trip on it...

Uggg I'm gonna be sick....Thanks Garth! I guess a guy carrying a bloody chainsaw doesn't fit into the profiling from the manual. Is it still required that Government employees get a lobotomy before showing up to work? That could explain it.

Well thats almost 100%, Ok ---the word is over the world

You mean like when baseball had separate leagues for blacks and whites?

We've been ;)-->programmed by religion, schools, society and friends..not to linger in that state...at least our society doesnt place much value on it....gotta Get Up! Get Busy! be a good producer and consumer! Buy Something! ugh --leave me alone... What a day for a day dream Custom made for a daydreamin boy Now I'm lost in a sweet dream dreamin 'bout my bundle of joy

I heard something along the lines of "giving every person the opportunity to say yes or no " which to me meant everyone on the planet getting witnessed to at least once. I was just brainwashed enough to think that although farfetched that nothing with God was impossible, and given the exponential growth while we were all still pretty young that it could actually happen. There was a map at some ROA that had 200,000 twigs in the USA alone, a goal supposedly to be obtained by 1990, The 80's having been designated as the decade of the Word Over The World. Craig at his inauguration said that he would stop at nothing less than the Word Over The World, but by the mid 90's with the ministry failing and dwindling, it was probably easier for him to pretend it was over the world than for his own giant ego to admit to failure, even though .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the world had been reached.

Well said, for all the talk, bible quotin', classes and meetings.. I doubt I have ever met a group of people that had more irrational fears or were so deeply locked in all types of denial than way people... Thank God I possessed enough faith and common sense to get out

not to worry... I work with a few addicts and alcoholics and hardly any of them get it on the first go round. They seem to build up momentum (or something) over time and eventually get it after a few tries. Don't be discouraged--everyone is still pulling for you I'm sure...

Thats probably my favorite moment of the day, when you are straddling the bridge from the dream world to the waking world , the veil is very thin between the two, the consciousness has yet to be bounded by the normal waking restrictions, and the voice of the subconscious, the spirit, or whatever the heck it is seems to be the clearest...

Quaker.org The quakers in my town are very socially conscious and politically active people, pursuing Peace and justice issues, abolishment of the death penalty and things like that. I have only been to one meeting of the Society of Friends and there was no minister or head honcho. There is a time of 'entering into the silence' and then people speak as they are moved. I don't think that they have a uniform set of highly structured beliefs and dogmas like the catholics or TWI but I could be wrong on that. They respected the Bible but didn't use it as an end all, they seemed to be more of the opinion that all were God's Children and had equal access to the spirit and all were given a ministry or gift to bring... something like that and they didn't dress like the guy on the oats box ;)-->

I never heard anything about it...and I dont know if it means anything but FWIW- he sat out WWII, when just about everyone that i have ever met from his generation went and his 'theology' ( *gag*) was to form some sort of 'Master Group' of humans that were far superior to everyone else, sort of like a Master Race. if it came out that its true it wouldn't surprise me

Just another example of how much "truth" they actually fed us.... I work in a lot of churches and almost all of them will have copies of the annual report on a table as you walk in, right next to the sunday bulletins and the other literature which are free for anyone to take. Is that another reason that they hated churches because they believed in being financially accountable?

Amen and amen, perfectly said--those are the days that fanned my love for the game, up until about 5 years ago you could still do it, and there was nothing better than it all happening in the moment. I wouldn't trade the run of last October for anything, but it will be a while before anyone can breeze over to the park on a whim without spending at least a few hundred, which is a loss and takes a great aspect of the game away..

I hope so, it would be nice to actually go to a game without having to take out a mortgage. Its actually almost as cheap for me to fly to Toronto, get a hotel for the weekend and see a whole series than to get into a single game at Fenway these days. PS-thanks for getting that NHL Hockey off the top Ive been thinking the same thing

I HIGHLY recommend not missing them since you are going to be right there... If you are going to be there for the autumnal equinox, the pyramid at Chichen Itza, which is a nearly perfect timepiece, does some interesting things... even if its not the equinox its worth going of course I am partial to the Temple of the mstar- - - um...I mean Morningstar in Tulum which all lines up on the solstices.

Well, hey its your thread...this seems to be the track that it has found...it only seems natural (to me) that if we start out talking about hearing the voice of God, that psychosis and mental illness will enter the conversation somewhere great link...thanks for that....I wasn't aware that there was a condition with an actual name attached to it, but from my own experience, and other excultees I have run into, it certainly makes sense that there is one. I'm not surprised at all, especially after the crap that was fed to us, that the mind and psyche go into fits and spasms for awhile. I am glad that someone has actually taken the time to study it and enumerate the symptoms that people do go through, hopefully it may make someones readjustment to the real world a little easier...

Well that was strange, most of the choices didn't match too closely to what I actually think, but I gave it my best (if quick) shot.. 1. Neo-Pagan (100%) 2. Mahayana Buddhism (96%) 3. Unitarian Universalism (88%) 4. Liberal Quakers (85%) 5. Sikhism (77%) 6. Hinduism (75%) 7. Reform Judaism (74%) 8. Theravada Buddhism (69%) 9. Jainism (69%) 10. Bahá'í Faith (67%) .... 25. Jehovah's Witness (21%) 26. Eastern Orthodox (19%) 27. Roman Catholic (19%) No matter what it says--I'm not in danger of joining or associating myself with any group anytime soon

Interesting question Abi, very interesting I too had a lot of 'adjustments' to make when I got out that took me a few years to grasp. i would think that being in any unwholesome and unreal environment would have its deliterious effects--especially when for some of us it was nearly all-encompassing at times. There have been a number of people here that have come forward and spoken about their mental health issues after they left. It might be interesting to do a poll someday to see how many expereinced panic attacks/depression/high anxiety/psychosis/ symptoms of bipolarity or schizophrenia or needed some sort of psychiatric care or psychological counselling after leaving the way. Betcha a few bucks the percentages are pretty high

I dont know much of anything about Manson, other than that he/she is some sort of caricatured cartoon character talentless rock doper who goes out of his way (apparently)to push buttons and to tick people off. He's more like an 2nd rate oldfashioned side show act than a purported purveyor of divine truth which the Bapts. claim to be. To me on both counts it is more like annoying stupidity for self promotion equal on both sides than something I would bother getting up in arms about.

Yea its reserved for people who have reached a certain detachment from reality...it took TWI 3 classes and a year or more to get people to the place where they could believe this stuff, by then TWI had them in a snare and some bought into it...mostly out of fear, innocence, naivete, and/or lack of real world experience. The only possessed people you ever met are those who are possessed by their own sense of self importance and think that they know some sort of 'secret ' that you don't.

No not really, Linda Z said what i was trying to say but better than me. Look at it this way, people get po'd at Marilyn Manson all the time, why shouldn't they be allowed to get po'd at the this church? That would be a double standard. Nobody is banning them from the 'moral guidance hall of fame' but they aren't in any danger of being admitted on their own merits anytime soon either

gees Louise ....er Sharon give it a little time, granted this place can be clicky but some people actually have jobs and lives and things outside of here and don't have time to read every thread, or respond to every thread. I know I don't. Sometimes threads are fine and just don't beg for a response, it doesn't mean people haven't read it or considered it. I read your thread the other day in the early morning, later that day i found something that could have gone in there , but by then the thread was deleted. Have a little patience...

Sure they can , but don't expect many people to look to them for moral guidance if they start acting like Marilyn Manson.