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Maybe once they were around the civil war.. If they want to modernize the team maybe they should be called The Japanese Korean Latino Californian Southern Boys of New York... Are there any actually yankees on the Yankees? Even Steinbrenner is from Florida isn't he?

If it wasn't for the contemplative wing of christianity, I would have totally given it up a long tme ago. The contemplatives and mystics through the ages have left us a great body of work that transcends denominations and religions and in many ways approaches the core of our human experience..

Its how I get ALL my work. I don't really think of it as 'networking' so much as just being out and meeting people in my community, which I enjoy anyway--sooner or later they call on me for something even it wasn't my original intent, or intent at all to push my stuff. I have never advertised, dont have a website or brochure, no yellow page ad, barely a business card, I dont even think that I am that good with people, but somehow it works. If you are a 'people person' in my estimation that is the only way to go--but thats just the way i like to do things--- If this thread goes---I hope you keep us posted how things are progressing...

Years ago, in the mid seventies, before my way days, when I planned nothing and followed the breeze ( and whatever I was smoking) I landed there and stayed for the entire summer. I stayed in the Indian Village for most of it,and made do by carrying tourists packs back up the canyon That summer was filled with monumental sights and experiences that are only available in the Grand Canyon

Oh Yes You Will!

We are still talking about waybrain on this thread, aren't we? Not to pick on your post Catcup which was excellent, but phrases like this still set off sirens and redlights to me. People are free to categorize people however they want to, but this phrase I have never heard anywhere outsde of TWI and have dropped it from from my vocabulary and thought processes a long time ago. Dont get me wrong the post was excellent but the phrase itself is immediately demeaning and imo part of the TWI control process that we learned over other people to cut us off from the outside world by labelling in such a way that they are unworthy of our attention or consideration

Yikes- that sounds like a pretty boring way to live if you ask me--- maybe I have been out for way too long and had forgotten that. I am single but pretty deeply involved, we are very different in our beliefs but i wouldn't have it any other way. She respects me and I respect her, our differences show us each great learning about life and each other, they are not a reason to clash and there is no need to fight for control. The last thing I would want to do is thwart her giftedness by making her walk the straight and narrow of my PI, and although she is very strong she has shown me that she thinks the same about me. It is one of the things that keeps my relationship very interesting and healthy--the freedom to be ourselves. just the thought of that deep control stuff or making my other a clone gives me the willies

Me too and just as an aside the Red Sox wore red socks for the first time (that i recall anyway) last year--it worked...

i think it is along the lines of what rascal said--We *thought* we had the big inner secrets to just about anything, that fed the ego and gave us a false sense of superiority which was confused with 'spirituality'. same crap with 4 crucified or any number of Way (off the mark) doctrines and insights of stupidity. The only superiority exhibited was that we could swallow more horse**** than most people

Good for you for standing up--It was rough for me to gain 'my voice' and say "hey this is all bull****', whn I first got out, because I had swallowed so much of it- it was difficult to discern which way was up and down at first, and then my response had been so controlled for so long that I didn't know how to really effectively (or smoothly) confront BS without setting myself in disarray....for me it was a stumbling and falling and walking and dealing process that took quite a while..There was no GSC in those days to help and I too didn't know who or what to trust --if anything--and didn't for along time... The BS meter slowly got calibrated, I think alot of it had to do with building healthy and genuine relationships with real people who had real ups and downs, real moods, real life and dealing with them over time and seasons that trust and understanding started to evolve. I am still not the most trusting person in the world (I always keep one eye open after my TWI experience) , but my distrust of people is less and less and mostly at things that I really shouldn't trust anyway with as opposed to the misplaced trust and distrust of past years , if that makes any sense. My bs meter is pretty good, after all I sat at the feet of one of the bs masters of the 20th century, and most people aren't nearly as complicated. Its a process, learning how to have healthy relationships helped me a lot--that and about 10 years of therapy ;)-->

some do, in fact I would bet most do ---i have seen some great things in the upper reaches of cathedrals and churches left by the stonecarvers and craftsman that no one will ever see except another craftsman generations later, the gargoyle carvers and sculptors are almost always an eccentric, quirky and humorous lot, which tickles me, to see their personality shine through even though they may have been dead for hundreds of years. Some of it is humorous, some of it is serious, some things are combinations of both but almost all the stuff I deal with is rich and heavy in symbolism and a reflection of the people and culture of the times that they were built...that can be very rich once you learn to 'read' it. For good or bad art and craft, true art and craft, has an honesty and a genuineness to it that allows you to peer a little bit into the soul of the makers and share a slice of your humanity with them. It all has treasures in it

I gotta ask--What would possess you to ever want to tour that hellhole again??

wack you must have read Masuru Emoto, the man who writes about the messages of water... He spent a number of years photographing water crystals that had been exposed to different emotional and/or spiritual stimuli, and photographed the physical changes that water goes through when it is exposed to them...whether it can "grab a stick' I don't know, but it can make subtle fluctuations in the energies and patterns that it radiates, and is also receptive to the environment around itself. Whether he is right or wrong that water the base of life has consciousness in and of itself -I don't know-- but it is an interesting concept. I think that they ancients and indigenous or as Ron said 'the old timers" who all by necessity lived closer to the earth, knew a great deal more than we generally give them credit for just by generations of observation. There is a great deal that is yet undiscovered and taken for granted about how this whole universe works

The longer I am out the further it gets away, it has taken some time, and like Catcup, learning to separate out the triggers and the responses, recognizing what they are and then redeveloping and readapting again from the inside...has been a big help.. dancing in the rain sounds like a good idea, as well as exposing yourself to many different forms of stimuli and people-and then watching how you respond-the pavlovian reactions sort of wash away over time as you let it go and gain awareness.. just the fact that you recognized when you dipped into it I think is the big step and the most important part of the process

I haven't read most of this thread, nor will I probably ever do so. One thing that continues to amaze me though, is for the hundreds of thousands or millions of teachers, pastors, prophets, mystics, seers, visionaries and workers that has graced the 2000 year history of christianity, is how this miniscule, minute, tiny insignificant blip on the radar screen, Victor Paul Wierwille, is the subject of such unending attention and idolatry. God, read somebody else once in awhile.

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I always suspected you were the one true Shaman around here! Gonna have to get you a feather headdress and some rattles now... ...Maybe the magic/mystic part is that Wack's friend gets paid by people to travel all over the world for doing what comes naturally. I'd take that

There has got to be away to parlay that into a business somehow. Who knows? There are boatloads of people who have no one to talk to and are dying of loneliness---Some people go to therapists that are highly trained (at $100/Hour), others really just need someone to hang with and to learn some social skills , like the ones you apparently have..can't you see it ? Vickles-professional friend ;)-->, you could visit nursing homes, shut-ins, old people, coordinate social events, advertise to recluses, the single and newly divorced... Heck I don't know, but don't be afraid -bizarre sounding ideas are the way alot of interesting things get born, don't be afraid to explore the unlikely possibilities that come to you that are out of the ordinary---something along the line may eventually stick, if you can do the legwork to put it together.. Nothin wrong with that, the hard part sometime is pulling them out of the sky and doin the work to incorporate them into your life---but it is well worth the effort.

Glad you found it entertaining--- There a lot of things that I would like to see cancelled, maybe I will make stamps out of them all...

I don't know --there seems to be leap or a progression that took some time for the above people I know to conceptualize their ideas, believe in themselves enough, and then lay the groundwork where it actually works. There was a transition period from being a worker into being a business ownwer. None of them happened overnight, and although the examples I gave are obvious now that that is what they should be doing, it wasn't obvious to them at all when they were still in the work world. Most of the transition was mental-getting to the place where they thought that they actually could do it, then jumping erratically off the diving board and doing it. Sometimes, like with my sister, the transition took years. Some people seem to have an intutive sense about business,and can drop into it naturally-- for others, especially those of us who have spent alot of our lives working for someone else its more of a struggle to learn how and involves changing perceptions about a lot of things-mostly ourselves--At least thats the way its working for me, there is a world more things to think about when you aren't a cog anymore but the whole machine... For me it took alot of stumbling and bumbling along for awhile (well i still am in many ways)because I have the natural business sense of a turnip. :D--> I am not good at the business end, am terrible at sales and getting work but it all still works, mostly because I know what I can do, have stretched it out a little and have had a lot of things fall in my lap because I have a good reputation. I don't know if any of this makes sense, is coherent or is of any help..(its 3am!) and it certainly isn't very specific...I wish I could give you the answer of what is right for you--but dont know you well enough and it probably wouldn't be right anyway... It seems to me thats its a constant mystery to ferret ot what is really going on inside, finding, discovering and believing in your own talents or gifts and bringing them out. Thats the first job you've been given to do ;)--> I do think that if you can work with people and know how to bring in the work--you have a huge part of the puzzle put together. What would you like to do? What do you think you'd like to do?

What do you like to do? I have always been a believer in doing something that you, if not love, at least like to do. Ive known quite a few people in the last few years who have taken what is in front of them, stuff that they do anyway--and make it into a viable business. My sister, who has always loved poetry and graphic arts, has started a greeting card company. A friend who loves animals, has a mobile pet grooming business (not my thing but she loves it..) A woman down the street who loves to work with her hands and walk in the woods, quit her job a few years ago and makes really nice rustic furniture out of limbs and twigs... My girlfriend who loves to cook and read is flirting with the idea of a restaurant or bookstore... Everbody is different but everybody has something... None of these are billion dollar ideas-granted- but they all live comfortably and have the added benefit of doing what they like to do on their own terms...

They spent many many years reviewing this, having every conceivable 'expert witness' testifying, and appeals upon appeals in courts ... it wasn't like it was a snap judgment. It wasn't until the last few weeks when all the people who paid no attention all along -all of a sudden became the absolute experts for political maneuveuring purposes--they knew very well what they were doing

this could have gone on the Pink Floyd thread but it works better here

Well get of your GD computer, quit yakkin', come over and give us all an f'in hand will ya? I'll buy that when I actually see one of the PFAL bimbos actually lift a finger to do something for someone else or actually help someone else in real need--until then spare us the weepy drama--The only real hurt you feel is for yourself and your own loss and has little or nothing to do with any of us

Agreed