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I have no idea what CES has to say about dreams, other than what Ive read in the other thread, and that without me getting into prooftexting sounds way out of bounds to me.--- the same for 'personal prophecy' As far as dreams in general go, I can say that there is within some circles of the established christian church ( not the wingnutty fly by night groups but the more established denominations), pockets of individuals that take them seriously and utilize them for personal guidance and growth, in an entirely different vein than categorized in the other thread. Right or wrong, who is to say? I make no claim to have any 'doctrinal' expertise--- but I can see that "God spoke" to people via dreams in the bible, and that many cultures and religions have given heed to dreams in various ways for millenia as a way to communicate with the spirit. Everyone dreams, to dream is natural and part of the universal experience, unfortunately most people dont remeber their dreams or dismiss them as meaningless. Some give heed to them. Personally I think the best work on dreams, if you are interested was done by Carl Jung whose theory was that the dream acted as a mirror to the ego and revealed what was missing within the consciousness of the dreamer. For Jung the dream acted as a teacher and guide on the road to personal wholeness and was a source of wisdom and healing. I have a tendency to agree, but only for personal growth, never as a means to project your own inadequacies on others and call it 'prophecy' as was happening in CES/STFU---Thats all BS

In alot of ways, first that KA would project her own shadow on to Elizabeth, blaming Elizabeth for dreams about her own self, her infantile and childish interpretations of her dreams and secondly that JAL would stand by and fall for such crap laid against his wife. If individuals want to give credence to dreams then fine, many people, religions and cultures throughout history have--but they should learn at least a basic something about them before they use them to play with fire and destroy other peoples lives. Mountains of serious work about dream interpretation is available (Jung etc.) but if you are Mr or Miss KnowIt All I guess you can just bypass that Dreams can be beneficial, but if you were to believe in such things, they are always about yourself, generally using images in your everyday life to give you and you alone symbolic insight into your own subconscious and shadow so that you can see your own areas of need. Its really sick how childish these people are, and how they are willing to follow any new messiah of the hour while doing absolutely no homework on the subject, and sacrifice their own on the altar of their own egos

He may have-I dont know- I havent followed Brooks' career very closely. McCutcheon is a folkie, and wrote this song which repopularized the event that made quite an impact at the time, but (at least to a lot of people) was lost in the mists of time. The story has since been researched and written about quite a bit as one of those times out of the norm when people in the even the most unlikely situations still had the good sense to believe in outmoded ideas like "Peace on Earth and good will toward men" Of course the commanders would have none of it and straightened them out, to eventually slaughter a good portion of Europe by the end of the war, but for a moment -a brief moment -- something about Christmas really lived....and crossed uncrossable divides This is an excerpt from an unknown British soldiers letter describing the day

Hi Folks, I heard this song several years ago. I read the true story. It always moves me this time of year. Here are the words to the song and some accompanying historical notes. I thought you might enjoy seeing them. Peace My name is Francis Tolliver, I come from Liverpool, Two years ago the war was waiting for me after school. To Belgium and to Flanders to Germany to here I fought for King and country I love dear. 'Twas Christmas in the trenches where the frost so bitter hung, The frozen fields of France were still, no Christmas song was sung, Our families back in England were toasting us that day, Their brave and glorious lads so far away. I was lying with my messmate on the cold and rocky ground When across the lines of battle came a most peculiar sound Says I, "Now listen up, me boys!" each soldier strained to hear As one young German voice sang out so clear. "He's singing bloody well, you know!" my partner says to me Soon one by one each German voice joined in in harmony The cannons rested silent, the gas clouds rolled no more As Christmas brought us respite from the war. As soon as they were finished and a reverent pause was spent "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" struck up some lads from Kent The next they sang was "Stille Nacht," "Tis 'Silent Night'," says I And in two tongues one song filled up that sky. "There's someone coming towards us!" the front line sentry cried All sights were fixed on one lone figure coming from their side His truce flag, like a Christmas star, shone on that plain so bright As he bravely strode unarmed into the night. Soon one by one on either side walked into No Man's land With neither gun nor bayonet we met there hand to hand We shared some secret brandy and we wished each other well And in a flare-lit soccer game we gave 'em hell. We traded chocolates, cigarettes, and photographs from home These sons and fathers far away from families of their own Young Sanders played his squeeze box and they had a violin This curious and unlikely band of men. Soon daylight stole upon us and France was France once more With sad farewells we each began to settle back to war But the question haunted every heart that lived that wondrous night "Whose family have I fixed within my sights?" 'Twas Christmas in the trenches, where the frost so bitter hung The frozen fields of France were warmed as songs of peace were sung For the walls they'd kept between us to exact the work of war Had been crumbled and were gone for evermore. My name is Francis Tolliver, in Liverpool I dwell Each Christmas come since World War I I've learned its lessons well That the ones who call the shots won't be among the dead and lame And on each end of the rifle we're the same. ©1984 John McCutcheon/Appalsongs (ASCAP) THE CHRISTMAS TRUCE On Christmas Day, 1914, in the first year of World War I, German, British, and French soldiers disobeyed their superiors and fraternized with "the enemy" along two-thirds of the Western Front. German troops held Christmas trees up out of the trenches with signs, "Merry Christmas." "You no shoot, we no shoot." Thousands of troops streamed across a no-man's land strewn with rotting corpses. They sang Christmas carols, exchanged photographs of loved ones back home, shared rations, played football, even roasted some pigs. Soldiers embraced men they had been trying to kill a few short hours before. They agreed to warn each other if the top brass forced them to fire their weapons, and to aim high. A shudder ran through the high command on either side. Here was disaster in the making: soldiers declaring their brotherhood with each other and refusing to fight. Generals on both sides declared this spontaneous peacemaking to be treasonous and subject to court martial. By March, 1915 the fraternization movement had been eradicated and the war was back in full operation. By the time of the armistice in 1918, fifteen million would be slaughtered. Not many people have heard the story of the Christmas Truce. Military leaders have not gone out of their way to publicize it. On Christmas Day, 1988, a story in the Boston Globe mentioned that a local FM radio host played "Christmas in the Trenches," a ballad about the Christmas Truce, several times and was startled by the effect. The song became the most requested recording during the holidays in Boston on several FM stations. "Even more startling than the number of requests I get is the reaction to the ballad afterward by callers who hadn't heard it before," said the radio host. "They telephone me deeply moved, sometimes in tears, asking, `What the hell did I just hear?'" The Christmas Truce story goes against most of what we have been taught about people. It gives us a glimpse of the world as we wish it could be and says, "This really happened once." It reminds us of those thoughts we keep hidden away, out of range of the TV and newspaper stories that tell us how trivial and mean human life is. It is like hearing that our deepest wishes really are true: The world really could be different. Excerpted from David G. Stratman German and Russian soldiers together on the eastern front-Christmas 1914

If I was going to follow a nutcase, it would be probably be THIS GUY, I have no idea why folks have chosen a controlling looney tune like KAG or what her allure is... not for me thanks.... Always choose your nuts wisely

I just rolled in, Ive been on the road down south for a few weeks --doin my thang, (everyione wants all their new church windows before christmas)-so Ive been working my tail off-- travelin, drivin-stoppin, installin then rolling on to the next place-doin what I do other than on the baseball front--Its been good-but Ive been severely disengaged-away from internet newspapers and TV for a few weeks ----- I did catch some news the other day in Atlanta that Matsuzaka signed--but havent processed it yet as Ive been in another zone... Other than that Im woefully behind on all the other things happening-- Gimme a few weeks==its my busy season....

Y'know I went to the Hall this past spring, it had been awhile since I was there and i was "blessed" to see Shoeless Joe's Shirt, Glove and Bat in a display case. ( I dont recall if there was anything there of Rose's or not..). So although (I guess) officially banned from having his name and likeness on a bronze plaque, the HOF does seem to at least fairly reflect and recognize history warts and all---That was good news for me to see that at least. They have amazing archives and libraries there, that I would love to dig into--so in a manner of speaking they do keep all the warts (which is a good thing) just not out as front as the enshrinees Maris's bat, photos of Don Larsens perfect game--and other nonHall players with very memorable events were there.. damn thinking about it makes me want to go again......

Lookin good Geo! ----- That sounds like an worthy guy Mark----Interesting that he became serious in his faith by observing Muslims is there a name for crossfaith 'witnessing' ? Not as dramatic as Brother Charles but Im a little partial to this guy... I dont know that much about him other than ".....Spent most of the next 50 years working in stained glass and painting images on the windows of churches..." Im intrigued-I have to go find some of his windows..... whats this thread about? o yea wayworld The longer I am away --the more it seems like waxing nostalgic for elementary school, or Jr. High School--- To me its just not all that relevant anymore

Its good to see Geo. in his old form again anyway while you all reminisce sbout the wonders of the past which may or may not have happened This is for Geo, if he wants to get back to his old self Click My Controls Then Edit Avatar settings then copy and paste http://www.tnm.go.jp/gallery/search/images/300/C0008374.jpg into the space provided that might work. Carry on.... Since Im on the subject of how great the old avatars were where's Maximilian Kobe gone to Mr. OMalley?

well said Simon.... I think that may have to astericked somewhere in our minds---but it is so close that it has yet to play itself out---it will be interesting how it is handled by the writers and the hall when the time comes.... maybe instead of the bronze plaques that are at the hall they should make the roids boys out of some fake composite material---fake records gets a fake plaques. It is a shame that the great power records toppled and will remain in question...... so since we are on controversial aspects of the HOF Pete Rose Yea or Nay? or for that matter Shoeless Joe Jackson

I dont know exactly what you are doing Cowgirl (good to see you back btw) Another good tool is the Fein Multimaster, which can be used for fine sanding as well as a bunch of other things. Its a bit steeper in price, but its a good tool

Lots of people here are-in just about every denomination and group, lots of people have gotten involved in other things (or nothing) as well. Stick around ( and welcome!) this is a pretty friendly group

Interesting point. when we were talking about Blyleven a few days ago, I looked him up and he had 287 wins-right in the same ballpark as Tommy John and Jim Kaat, none of who are in the Hall. Some of these guys may look at 300 as their ticket to immortality--of course with what they pay these days I may want to hang on as long as I could hold a baseball

Then there is also the other side of the coin: Richards was enraged and out of control-- HERE is a video of a man on CSPAN who calmly, methodically and seriously calls for the extermination of ALL white people---on national TV--- as far as I know this happened within a few days of the Richards incident. Why wasnt this a story?

Maris is a tough one-he played 12 years and had a lifetime .260 average, 275 HRs and 851 RBI, not remarkable numbers over the course of a career--BUT you are right in that he had the back to back MVP years and reached the unreachable number of 61. ?????? Dont know-----there is no doubt that he carried around a real banner of fame for his 1961 season, the same way that Bill Mazeroski did for his 1960 7th game HR. Mazeroski got voted in (imo) primarily for that one at bat--should Maris go in on the strength of one amazing year? Thats a good question.....I spose it would be the right thing for me I think it is unconscionable that Ron Santo who was in many ways the third baseman of his time, all the while battling diabetes isnt in.....Im hoping the veterans committee votes him in as well this year

Holy @#$%@ !!!! Exhibit A: Why you NEVER leave any game early! cool find GT

Yea well but Mark doesnt want to talk about the past now does he? I will give some credit --that summer with he and Sosa racing toward the unreachable 60 was very exciting and did a lot to rekindle interest and excitement in baseball after the strike, -----but then again once upon a time moving the word over the world seemed exciting too but ultimately was probably more detrimental than good... Sorry Mark--you did help baseball at the time----but you also left a lasting stain---a long lasting stain and also left behind a huge question mark over an entire era--Cooperstown is not going to happen The Hall belongs to guys like Ripken and Gwynn (and if I had my way Jim Rice and Ron Santo)

Yea but will you be able to field 9 guys? :blink: Seems like everyone is s p r i n t i n g away from Tejas Sox are making noise about JD Drew but after Hiways assessment Im not all that thrilled with the idea, last thing i want is someone overpriced whose primarily good for padding his own stats. Last year the Sox lost JD Johnny Damon, who loved Boston and was an elite lead off hitter by offering him only 4/40million, now it looks like they may have to sign JD Drew at 4/56mil... what a screw up

I spewed my coffee on that one too much of an image!! Thanks Dan-Now Im gonna have Kramer doing Al Jolson in my head all day

Happy Thanksgiving to you too! Yea i could definitely see myself traveling from ballpark to ballpark, game to game, having great seats and getting paid to watch and write everyday....perhaps in the next lifetime, if my karma is good. You are right of course about perceptions of writers--its no telling who sees what, or thinks what over the course of a season. I wouldve probably picked Joe Mauer over Morneau even though his numbers are less because he caught the Twins staff, atough position that takes the numbers down but he was obviously'valuable to his team in other ways besides pure offense--but admittedly that is an observation from afar People see different things-a Boston writer had Damon 5th(!). huh? Both Oakland writers had Thomas second. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning-News is the one guy who put Santana first. Joe Cowley's whole ballot deserves to be reproduced: Joe Cowley, Chicago Sun Times 1. Morneau 2. Dye 3. Santana 4. Thomas 5. Ortiz 6. Jeter 7. Guerrero 8. A. Rodriguez 9. Hafner 10. Pierzynski Yikes. Pierzynski ahead of Mauer?? My vote personally would have been: 1) Jeter 2) Mauer 3) Santana 4) Ortiz 5) Hafner and then Morneau somewhere further down. But thats all why this game is fun..

Congratulations to Justin Morneau This was an interesting MVP vote. It seems the writers can't make up their minds as to what the criteria for MVP is. ARod wins it for a last place team to cries of "it's not his fault his team is terrible, he's the best player", last year Ortiz didn't win it cause he was a DH even though he helped his team more than anything. This year, its Morneau because he helped his team the most, Ortiz doesn't qualify for one 1st place vote cause the Sox fell out of the race and Jeter didn't get enough votes cause the Sox collapsed. Odd. HERE'S the voting by writer. Some of it seems crazy to me

I dont know if anyone is 'discovering' it. A lot of denominations and groups do it, although they call it many things depending on the group I did my genealogy a few years back and found my greatgrandparents had a housechurch/homefellowship (dont know exactly what they called it) In their home as a wing of their far away church from just after the Civil War until the early 1930's--so its not exactly a new idea or something that TWI invented..

Of course I am glad no one got hurt, but my initial reaction was the same as Geo's Isn't the third aid doctrine still in place? My days in The Way the "correct ' approach would have been to go to God, then call 911. maybe things have changed-maybe it wasnt reported right--they did sneak in the snippet about the cat I was actually involved in a fire during my TWI days that started while veryone was busy praying for safety instead of paying attention to what was actually going on.

Hokey smokes (again!) Thats the 51.1million dollar arm Daisuke Matsuzaka on the left who got plowed into by Kirk Hinrich of the Bulls last night at the Staples Center in LA. You'd think Boras would get him signed first before he allows him to get mowed down! Hopefully no injuries

Darnit I missed all the fireworks I just cant resist linking to THIS Please no one take offense