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okey dokey, thanks. My daughter had to teach me this stuff!

Thanks, Belle You bring so much to this site. Out There, thanks for ready My Stow-ry. Yes, we may have ridden around on a tractor or two together. and dmiller, thanks for the prayers, we can use them.

JA, I remember going to Clarksdale, and I loved visiting you guys. One year you gave me a birthday party, bacause I mentioned it before I came over, and you all threw it all together. It was the sweetest thing! You guys were great. I remember the two females but not the other two very well. (sorry). It was 1982! I was so impressed the way you guys did the whole town door to door. It inspired me to try it though I didn't get as far. Thanks for reading my sto-wry.

Like I would have said that. If I had been more assertive, I wouldn't have ended up in TWI and putting up with all that Bull.

Hmmmm, mint jelly, now that's something I haven't had in awhile.

oh, wow, thanks, Coolwaters!

I tried.

My sympathies to you, Cindy, at this time of great sorrow

Pawtucket, Can you reduce my signature? Is it still really big? I tried to reduce it on the host site, and sometimes it's a delayed reaction but if it's still too big, can you reduce it? Thank you,

Let me share a personal experience I had regarding how spiritual music really is. I was in the middle of a manic episode and I was up late at night listening to all kinds of music on different radio stations with headphones on. "Bohemian Raphsody" came on and I got really into it. There is a part where it gets really intense, and they're calling on Beezlebub. I'd have to listen to it again (not that I'd particualarly want to at this point) to recognize which part it was. This big spirit entered me at that point and I had to remove the headphones and refuse to house it. I could feel the damn thing go in. It happened. I may have been a little unhinged at the time, but I know it happened. Like I said before, music is spirtual, very spiritual. Saul had David play music and evil spirits departed from him. It goes both ways, that's why we are to exercise discernment. We are responsible to discern, and it's not a matter of Christian vs secular. (or as it was, TWI vs Everybody Else) It's a matter of devilish or not and we can tell the difference through our pneuma hagion. Just because people in TWI wrote and performed music didn't make it that great. In fact, some of it was boring, because the leaders were controlling the creativity of those who could write music. At one time, I wanted to perform at a function and I was required to write down the lyrics of all my songs. It was so tedious, without word processing or a type writer, that I just shelved it. They would mess around with song writer's lyrics and change them and mess up the rhythm and meaning and it just really put the lid on people. It was like God never inpired anybody who wrote music without the sanction of the Great Leaders Who Knew All. It's like that "Band of Gold" the 8th Corps heard over and over. Dr W changed one of the words so it didn't rhyme and it always bugged me. A Limb Leader made me change a verse from "Father I'm beginning to understand how much he did for ME" to "to US." I guess it seemed less egotistical or something. But when I wrote the song it was during a realization I had that Christ died for ME. That's what it meant to me.

Great!

If the "fear in the heart and life of that mother" really killed that little boy, how did the rest of the kids in this world survive? I waited every day for my daughter to get off the school bus, even though it stopped right in front of our apartment complex. I just had to physically see her get off that bus.

I've never quite understood how anti-Semitsm has anything to do with believing the Bible, even while in TWI I had these lingering questions in the back of my mind (underneath my Way Brain). To me, it's the opposite. Understanding who the Jews are according to the Old Testament gives one a greater appreciation of who they are, including those who are their descendants. There was also the book, "The Myth of the Six Million," that TWI promoted, that propounded the theory that the Jews of today are really descendants of the Kazars who took on the Jewish religion in order not to side with either of their neighboring countries. I bought it, but today I find it more plausable that the Jews of today are very likely descendants of Israel and Judah. I don't get why we were taught otherwise in TWI, other than just sheer prejudice. It's like how those white separatist groups think.

Happy Birthday, excie!!!

I remember how the Corps in those school buses going to the Texas Farm would all get blamed if that stupid bus broke down.

I came to the conclusion that music is spiritual, but we have discernment to tell the difference, and it's not just because it's "Christian" or "secular."

It still really blew my mind the other night to run across that "Satan's Alley" play in "Stayin Alive." It is SO much like Athletes of the Spirit. TWI hardly changed a thing when they used it for their own.

LCM came through San Diego one time around 1984-85. He used a scripture about learning things from "a little bird." In other words, the devil could transmit info via devil spirits. Thus, the original Athletes from ROA was given to the people who made "Stayin Alive." Therefore, TWI could take what they did in the movie and use it because it originally came from TWI. Uh huh... of course it all made sense to me at the time because LCM said it. He also was on his Seed of the Serpent trip. His big example was Steven Spielberg.

Funny, I also chanced upon that movie last night while surfing around.... I came in on that play they were in, that looks SO MUCH like Athletes of the Spirit. Same structures on the stage, same writhing "devil spirits", the devil lady in red....and LCM said they stole it from US????? As I recall, LCM was really into this book about how Silvester Stallone got Travolta in shape for his role in Stayin Alive, and Craig was following that same regimen to be in shape for Athletes. Man oh man, what a chump I was to not even think there was anything weird about all that......

Growth???? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Dream On.

It must be devastating to lose a child, and then to be taught that you are responsible is straight from the pit of he11. It's like the Pharisees that Jesus said "laid burdens too heavy to be born" on people. TWI has become a bunch of Pharisees.

Thank you, Tom Strange. I wanted to reply but I also wanted to sink a bit and let others go to the top. But I am adding this Update -- Happy ending not all that happy. Hubby and I are headed for counseling as soon as possible. That's all I want to share about that. Meanwhile, I have acquired two new therapists - a very astute female Ph.D. and a seasoned, wise psychiatrist who specializes in mood disorders (bi-polar falling into that category. These days it's not uncommon to have the talk therapy (i.e. the non M.D. counselors) and a psychiatrist for analysis of and monitoring of one's condition and to prescribe meds. The psychiatrist told me at first session: no more drinking and it's meds for life. (Derr, that's makes sense!) I said ok, "I've had enough." Why didn't I do that sooner? A combination of the therapists I have had and me, plus the deceptive nature of my bi-polar thing that has long "normal" periods in-between the episodes. As for drinking, it adds "fuel to the fire." Fine with me to throw out the fuel. I guess God just brings us where we need to be when we reach out to Him.

It seems pretty obvious to me that TWI doesn't want people on GS is because they'll get info that can't get in TWI about TWI and then they'll leave. It's just one more way to control people. "Don't go to Grease Spot." It reminds me of that song by Tom Somebody. "Don't go to Twig." I would think that would whet innies' interests. But the fact that it's such a big friggin deal whether they post or not just shows where they're at. If TWI had nothing to hide, they wouldn't care what people do. It reminds me of a Communist country. Grease Spot is like that radio broadcast that would go "behind the iron curtain."

I had an experience I remember from a Way Family Camp in 1974. I had a pain in my abdomen and got ministered to for it. I still had the pain so I got ministered to again. I still didn't believe it so I got ministered to a third time. The third person said, "The cause has been removed and what are left are symptoms." In other words, "You're already healed, dummy, so stop getting ministered to." In the early 70's we used to minister healing a lot and it would go on for several minutes and more often than not it was right on the money. We didn't tell people what the problem was, they just spoke it by word of knowledge or whatever it was. This happened to me several times. That was before things all got shot to hell. I was in a manic/psychotic episode at Corps Week 1982 and no one ministered to me and it never occured to me to ask for it. Then they kicked me out and made me go home.

Excellent post, Belle! I remember the same paranoia. Where are the innies this question is addressed to?