RottieGrrrl

Yeah Belle and that's exactly what The Way, err......AM-WAY is teaching these people too. "Don't waste your time with DE-Edifiers, Only Edifiers." I kid you not. Geez, did these people share the same dictionary? Rats Right! LOL. Sorry, now I can't get that out of my mind. Reminds me of Scooby Doo.

I am repulsed by people cooties but I don't have a problem letting my rottie take a bite of something then eating the rest of it. (Only MY doggie though, nobody elses dog) I have the most ugly feet in the world. Being around a toddler for more than 5 minutes drives me to the brink of insanity. The only way I can watch most Disney movies is if I'm plastered. So I try not to watch most Disney movies. I have the acquired taste in food of a 5 year old. A gourmet dinner to me is a can of Spaghettios with bite sized franks. That's only the mild stuff I'll let on. Come on everyone. Fess up.

Techno you should be able to hear music when you get this page. Which surprised me too cause you usually have to click a link to get something but this music comes automatically when you visit this page. Too cool!

Johnny, what can I say except.... :D--> :D--> :D--> You absolutely cracked me up with that post. Rats right! Techno, yeah, I'm beginning to think I will...if I hear from her again. Lovely sweet lady she is, but I'm beginning to wonder if she'll even want to bother with me anymore now that I've made it fairly clear that I'm not interested in "the biz" In fact I just found out about some guy (former quixtar bigshot) through the news who has a website and a free downloadable e-book at www.merchantsofdeception.com who is compiling peoples testimonials, telling people to save all the motivational tapes, etc., because he plans on hitting the FTC BIGTIME with Amway/Quixtar violating federal standards set for a pyramid scheme. Should be interesting to see what happens, if anything. But from now on I'm just going to be honest and tell anyone who's into this that "Ya know, there is a LOT of bad publicity out there about Amway/Quixtar, and I mean a LOT." Hey it's only fair if these people hit you with this "wonderful business opportunity" that you hit them back with what's out there about it. And you're right, at least I could say that I warned them.

HOW DID YOU DO THAT? With the music and stuff!!! How cool!! Totally cool! Thank goodness this isn't a leap year. I'm with whoever said why can't they stick the extra day in leap year in June or something.

Go ahead and Steal Away Radar! Although you may want to start your own thread on this subject. This might get lost. A lot of people may have sifted through this thread already and not return. So it might be better if you just start a new topic! I know that the Scientologists own CAN. From what I understand, they were able to sue the original owners out of existence. Scientology has a lot of celebs with a lot of money that they use to their advantage. Many of these cults, IE that crap that Madonna is into now Kabalah or whatever, go after celebs knowing that is a draw for more rich and famous people. Celebs just love trendy stuff like that you know? I know the Eukanuba dog show was on, Saturday was it? Or Sunday. I was taking Rottie Girl to Petsmart and just happened to walk into my living room, RIGHT AFTER they were annoucing the winners for the "working dog group" I thought I heard them announce a Rottweiler as a winner in that catagory but I wasn't sure! Rotts NEVER win dog shows it seems though. So I will catch that on a rerun. Totally cool you know someone who had that rott! I betcha that Lady breeder you mentioned has some expensive pups there. I'd love to know her line of rotts. I'm sorry about that French Mastif! Damn! That must have been scary! I fell in love with that breed ever since I saw Turner and Hooch! How the heck did a French Mastif get ahold of you like that? Thanks for the compliment on my rottie! I used to be afraid of these dogs, and now I'm teaching other people what a joy these dogs can be. George: Thanks for the link. I do have skepdic in my fave places, but I missed that particular page. Interesting stuff aye? CKnapp: I hear you. It's not uncommon from people leaving one kind of religion, to go out and try to find something almost exactly like it. I left the way, then 10 years later, started bouncing around fellowships with a local offshoot, then I got fed up with that, and started checking out CES, and then I thought WHOA! I think I just need to leave this whole thing behind me and clear my head for a bit. I'm becoming dependent on this stuff. This is why I think this lady finds Quixtar so comforting. As for some degree of success. Nada. She's been in it for 4 years and has continously put money into the business, with no profit. here is a short summery off of the page George linked to. "At the turn of the century, the average Amway distributor earned about $700 a year in sales, but spent about $1,000 a year on Amway products. Distributors also have other expenses related to the business, e.g., telephone, gas, motivational meetings, and publicity material" Here is another explanation from another anti-mlm page. "The age-old technique of "con men" is to create "confidence" in some otherwise dumb idea by diversion of thought, bait, or force of personality. The victim gets confidence in a bogus plan, and, in exchange, the con man gets your money. MLMers are very high on confidence. Since the brain inevitably intrudes itself into the delusion that an MLM could ever work, spirits drop and attitudes go sour. But this depressive state can itself be exploited. As doubts grow when the MLM does not do what recruits were first "con"fidenced to expect, then a further profit can be made keeping the confidence going against all common sense. Thus, a parallel or "shadow" pyramid of motivational tapes, seminars, and videos emerges. These are a "must for success," and recruits are strong-armed into attending, buying, buying, and buying all the more. This motivational "shadow pyramid" further exploits the flagging recruits as they spiral inexorably into oversaturation and failure. The more they fail, the more "help" they need from those who are "successful" above them. Well, ENOUGH OF MY RANTING! Sorry folks. I needed to get all this crap off my chest! Off to work now.

I agree. Deprogrammers and the Cult Awareness Network, (out of Chicago) really overstepped the bounds of respecting peoples religious freedom. People have the right to worship anything they want, how they want, and CAN was out of line with the way the were attacking the Way, for that matter. I do remember that. The Way deserved to be taken to task for many things, but slamming into the non-trinitarian views (and other things like that) and labeling that as a cult really pi$$ed me off and still does to this day

OH YEAH! I do kind of remember stories about that guy. Wonder what he's up to now? That WOULD be good for MLM'ers! :)-->

HI Belle! Yeah I've looked through a lot of those sites too. It seems there are literally HUNDREDS of sites out there warning people about these MLM's/Pyramids . You can't even up with them they keep popping up under a dozen different variations. But the fundamentals are the same it seems. Nothing new under the sun, ya know? I also notice it seems the most popular ones deal specifically with Amway/Quixtar. The cult book isn't a bad idea. That way it doesn't attack the MLM directly. I truly wonder though if I'm going to hear from her again since it was pretty clear I wasn't interested in the damn thing. HOWEVER, she may try again, you know? dmiller. I'm afraid I have to show my ignorance for the millionth time on this board. I DON'T KNOW WHO TED PATRICK IS!!!

HI TOMMIE! Yeah it's nice to be back at GS. I tell you, the mind manipulation in these groups is bad enough, but this has also been educational for me as far as learing about illegal pyramids/ponzi schemes. It seems that the FTC's guidelines of what to watch for with bad MLM's, (illegal pyramids) Quixtar has red flags for almost everything I've seen and heard. Unbelievable that they are in business. I guess the old adage rings true, "Consumer Beware!" The law/government can't protect you against everything. Education and awareness are still your best recourse.

Most of these people AREN'T salespeople. ME included. And yeah the excitement, dress for success code is definitely a big part of their persona. Interesting about the meetings. For these companies to emphasize families and then tear them away with meetings is pure hypocrisy. I believe with MaryKay the emphasis is more on the product selling than recruiting. Although I still find it annoying to be pestered by co/workers and the like to come to lingerie parties or a makeup facial/bath presentation, to be honest with you. Many of these products they sell are superfluous. (Did I spell that right?) It's stuff you don't need. You would never buy it before someone hits you from this organization. You go to one of their "parties" and you end up buying something stupid because you feel obligated. And the people from Amway/Quixtar end up buying a lot of this stuff themselves so they can earn "Points Values" The normal consumer doesn't want to buy this stuff, it's not a good enough value for the money. So they end up with cartons of product in their garage they don't need. Plus the "God" thing bugs me. WE put the emphasis on GOD first, then FAMILY...etc. etc. Like that's supposed to give them such integrity. With some of these groups like AMWAY though, they would have you think that the 12 apostles were the original distributors, and GOD is their upline. Well off to work for now.

HA ha ha! :)--> Now that had to be interesting. Ambots and Wayfers. Someone could make a good cartoon out of that.

Vickles and ex I hear ya both. What this does to good people is shamefull. If they need money that badly, I'd rather they just ask me for help rather than take money from me under false pretenses, conning me and trying to profit at my expense. Vickles on a date? Geez. What a butthole. MStar the list of similarities are ENDLESS Idoltory of leaders recruit and sponser (and motivate) to find more to recruite and sponser endless tapes, meetings, seminars which all cost money money money having big name speakers and ministers attend functions (for a large fee) having their own house bands disassociation from family and friends who won't join the business discouraging watching tv.. only listen to their motivational tapes and read their books only having friends and associates who are "in the business" On and On and On and I won't bore you anymore

THIS DAMN THING REMINDED ME OF A WAY MEETING!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! I bet Weirwille was trained by Amway. Or visa versa.

paw that's pretty damn incredible. No wonder the pyramid falls apart. I guess it's profitable if you get in at the beginning and are a good enough con artist. But the ones on the bottom always lose out. HI CINDY! Yeah I'm back from the dead. Sort of. I know what you mean cause I KNOW if I say anything to this lady (who is a real SWEETheart btw) it will be taken not well at all. I'd be a negative thinker trying to ruin their dream. I usually have to learn things the hard way but DAMN. This stuff is nuts. These people can be in this stuff for years and make NO profit but spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year investing in this crap, but they hang on because SOMEDAY their going to be rich. And Goey you hit it right on the head. The overpriced crapola (okay, maybe it's decent stuff) they sell is still not comprable to what one could buy at your local K-Mart or Target, or dollar store. I read that the laws they have for MLM's are always broken. Since Amway got in trouble the FTC set for rules that at least 70 percent of the income has to be made by the product's outside sales and not by recruitment commisions. Well they break that law all the time. Most of the product sales are purchased by the people who are signed up as agents. They are supposed to buy all there stuff from whatever group their in. Mr. P I've heard about okay MLM's too. If what they are focusing on is product sales to a consumer, than that's one thing, but when the main purpose is to go around recruiting people to recruit people to recruit people, and simply using the products as a reason to make it legal, what good is that for anyone? What I truly dislike about MLM's is the manipulation explotation and deciet. Claiming to use "bibical principals" when the true god is money and material things. They look at friends and family as being dollar signs. Everyone they meet is a potential "contact." The waitress who serves you, the clerk at the 7-11. I've even heard a couple of horror stories about trying to establish a contact at FUNERALS. You can't tell me ones ethics and morals are not compromised by this. It's like they become so programmed this is all they think about. I just couldn't do this. And this meeting! I thought I was at a church revival. What a bunch of overhyped BS. Bunch of oily conmen in suits telling you how much money they make and you can too. I believe that like I believe I saw the Heavens gate cult was tooting behind Hail Bop one night and I waved to them. Actually I think I was plastered that night and did. Anyway, thanks for letting me rant. I'm glad I found GS I tell you. I'd still be a cult hopper to this day I bet if it wasn't for forums like this.

HI Chatty! And Mstar! OKAY, I think I rememeber seeing what must have been Mortons toe in that movie Shallow Hal. I was so thick I had to have someone else explain it to me. but I didn't know it had a name.

Galen, that's very sweet...AND diplomatic! ((((((((EXIE!)))))))))) HCW I was going to high five a fellow boobless sister until I saw in your profile that you're a guy. What the heck is Mortons TOE? (morton might be missing it, that's very funny.)

Well this is kind of an interesting thread. Lets see. I have an absolute revulsion when it comes to sipping another persons drink, or like when they offer you a bite of their food. YICK! I don't want anyone elses cooties and I gross out at that. I think I've actually offended some people. I HAVE to rinse out a glass before I fill it with ANYTHING. At another persons house or my own the glass must be rinsed. Dust and stuff fly around the air you know? I have a Big ugly mole on my butt that I HATE. It's GROSS. I have no boobies. I got propositioned by a 23 year old kid a couple months ago and I almost did it with him because I was so flattered. But I thought the better of it and kind of chickened out. I love eggs. I can't stand Nancy Grace on Court TV. She makes me want to vomit up my innards.

HI WHITE DOVE!! yeah I've been doing a hell of a lot of reading on Quixtar. All you have to do is google Quixtar and CULT, and a LOAD of info pops up. NONE of it good. You know what creeped me out was some of the phrases she was using, like they were from the Bible, and then when I read other AMBOTS or ex-quixies, they said they used those phrases all the time. Just like Way-Speak. I wonder if the Way took lessons from them.

HI Pam! My AOL browser seems okay now but for awhile there these forums were disappearing than reappearing. It was driving me nutso. BTW I love your link. My rottie was tilting her head just like the one in the picture. I am googling for stuff like that. There must be a hundred and one sites that warn people about this stuff. I cannot believe that intelligent people (especially ones that have been in the Way!) are so damn GULLIBLE! I want to yell at these companies but damn, I'd like to shake these people and wake them up too. The problem with this thing is that these people don't think of themselves as suckers or brainwashed, they really believe in this company. So they can only recover once they realize they have a problem. I would like to find a way to make them start realizing what it is they are into.

HI VICKLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the welcome too. I'm hoping that nobody on this forum is involved in an MLM and chews my butt out. But people need to be warned of this stuff. The 2 people I know are very intelligent people who are caught up in this. Interesting that the one lady is a former wayfer. See how easy it is to fall back into the same patterns that we are familiar with? I really would like to wake these people up, but I know if I confront them they'll be very angry. They really believe in this stuff and they are out to recruit the world.

well I googled the name of the song and added guitar tabuuu...uh, that word you used, and I got a load of sites, but I checked on out and it looks like you have to pay. 15 bucks for that and some other of her songs for a song book with guitar chords and piano notes.

It was when I was 15 years old (just several years ago, shuddup) and I was in the Lilac Parade for the local community theater. I drank a load of pop and was STUCK on that damn float for 3 hours. I really hated the guys cause they could take a leak anywhere. On the flip side. A few years ago I went to see a friend of mine and we were going to watch the fireworks on the 4th. I had a salad with a load of bacon grease over it before I left. Now this is interesting. He couldn't go cause he had a real bad case of constipation. So I left. On the way home that bacon grease kicked in and Holy crapola. I never had to go like that ever, ever before and I hope that never happens again. I made it home but I think I had my pants down before the key was in the door. MAN that was close, and quite a painful ride home.

This site is too funny, LOL!

HI WAYFER. Thanks for the welcome!!! Yeah that crazy woman is still out there hating my guts. She posted in her husbands AOL profile my full name and town and stuff and said I was into kinky sex and bondage and for a good time to call me. Man. That woman is insane. Anyway I went to the dog park and started screaming at her hubby that if she didn't remove that crap pronto I was going to call the police and a lawyer and slap him with a lawsuit. So she did. Now she has some other stupid crap in her hubby's profile but it doesn't mention me by name. So she can do what she wants I don't care. A MLM is referred to as "multi level marketing" It's a legal form of a pyramid. A get rich quick scheme. Amway was one and this one I'm referring to is called "Quixtar" which is Amway reinvented. The idea is that they sell some products, but the real agenda is not to get you to buy the products but to sign you up for 200 dollars so you can become an IBO. Independent Business Owner. uh huh. sure. Then you go to meetings at least once a week and start spending bucks on their "motivational tapes and books" you go to conferences that cost a lot of mula and you are told not to read negative things, they brainwash you. A lady I know (formerly from the Way) is involved in it and she invited me to go with her last week. Unbelievable how much this reminded me of the original Way. These guys up there telling everyone how much money their making in "THE Buisness." and how we could do it too, blah blah blah. These people all try to recruit everyone they know. friends, family, hell they try to get a name from the clerk at the 7-11. The only way you don't lose your shirt in this business is if you get 100 suckers below you to do the same thing. And the only way they won't lose their shirt is if they can get people below them, and on and on and on until there are no more suckers left to go around. Get the idea? They definately use "cult techniques." You walk in that room and they're a bunch of smiling robots noddding and smiling and hugging each other. Blech. But that's what this is about. 2 people I know are into this thing now. Of course they know each other through Quixtar because this thing becomes they're damned life. All their social activities and friends are through this thing. It's hard to leave because your so damned brainwashed and you'll be thought of as a "loser" if you drop out. People have had relationships and finances ruined by these damn things. Dateline did an expose on Quixtar last May. Anyway, that's about it in a nutshell!