RottieGrrrl

That's not a bad idea, but I think that people should at least have 100 posts before they can do that! Make sure they are regular contributors and not fly by nights. I Worked hard for my "Brat" title!!!!!

Feeding tubes are removed all the time. If this is inhumane then where has all the outrage been all along? Why all the attention on this woman when this happens thousands of times in America every day? And I absolutley agree with Linda. A feeding tube is a relatively new invention. God did not make us with feeding tubes coming out of our naval. I can't see how this is murder. Her brain has atrophied throughout the years. What I saw last night was nothing more than an outline. If this woman does have some state of consciousness like the "new" neurologist is claiming, then that would be the real state of a living hell. BTW I've yet to hear anyone discuss the "Futile Care" law that George Bush passed (as governor) back in 1999. The bill Bush signed clearly states that hospitals have the right to let indigent vegetants die over the objections of the family. Sun Hudson, an indigent black baby, died just a couple of weeks ago under this bill. Baby removed from life support over mother's objections

Did anyone see Greta Van Susteren's show last night? They showed a picture of a normal brain vs Terri's brain. 80 percent of Terri's brain is gone. 80 percent! It was replaced with water, hence the term "water on the brain." The neurologist said she was functioning off the brain stem. Which controls breathing, allows her to sleep and wake up, and produce facial expressions. After seeing that I can't help but wondering if these people trying to help her live, aren't sentencing this woman to a living hell, like she must have been in the last 15 years.

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Oh my new email is RottyGrrrl@aol.com

awww that's sweet! I'm here. I'm nursing my rottie Grrr. Nico had leg surgery (3000 dollars!!! What an f-ing racket!) and I literally have to hand feed her chicken and get her outside in a big ole clunky cast and shove these pills down her throat. It's about 12 weeks of recovery (at least) and for the next 3 weeks I'm pretty much her nursemaid. She was playing at the dog park and tore a ligament. Her wild days are over. I can't afford another surgery like this, I"m afraid, it broke me. But at least her hips are healthy! I was talking to a lady at the animal hospital who was going to have double hip replacement for her shepherd mix, 6000 dollars, at least. Man, you really do need health insurance for these dogs.

Okay Cindy! You know I can't get into my damn PT's. I have a DLL error. Whatever that is. And yeah cool!

Hey it's NOT Easter it's Rezzerection Sunday you heathen! :P--> I love chocolate bunnies. I used to get the hollow ones and chomp their heads off then fill it with milk and drink and eat my way down.

Okay, here is the portion of the USA today article. "Florida courts have ruled that Schiavo is in a persistent vegetative state, a condition caused by extensive damage to the cortex and other parts of the brain that are responsible for consciousness, higher thinking, memory or even sensations such as pain, hunger and thirst. "She's not experiencing hunger — she's not experiencing anything," Albin says. Patients in such a state don't get better because the body is unable to repair such a massive injury to the brain, says James Bernat, a neurologist at the Dartmouth Medical School in Hanover, N.H. "If you're in a state like this for three months or more, your chance of recovery is zero," Albin says. That point is disputed by Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, who are battling Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, to get Terri's feeding tube reinserted. The condition is confusing because patients in a persistent vegetative state still have the use of a primitive part of the brain, the stem. The brain stem allows them to go through sleep-wake cycles, keeps them breathing and produces facial expressions that can make it look as though they are aware of their surroundings, Albin says. But those movements are merely reflexes, says Bruce Sigsbee, a neurologist in Rockport, Maine." mj: The argument would be that your case is much different because you were in recovery. Not a permanent vegetative state. I agree this has turned into a freak show. That hospice she is at has other people DYING there and these nuts are out there with megaphones screaming all over the place. I cannot believe the hospice is putting up with that. I absolutely agree that you can get some medical expert to testify about anything if you pay them. Just watch the Michael Jackson trial. He's even got doctors talking to the judge making excuses for him every time he pulls one of his stunts. And I also believe quality of life matters. It's scary what medical technology can do to keep a person alive at any cost. As I said on another thread, and I don't mean disrespect to this situation, but I'm glad they haven't found a way to keep a brain alive in a jar and call that "life."

Welomce Xena and Horse! JT: ROTFL! I can just picture that devil spirit circling around your head and your angel clubbing him. :P--> Boy is THAT the understatement! Everything was a devil spirit, thank GOD I got over that. Several years ago I was having lunch with the same aforementioned lady and she told me she couldn't find a reciept she needed because a devil spirit hid it. I almost spit out my food and started laughing, but I looked at her face and she was dead serious. All I could think of was I hope she didn't volenteer this information with too many other people, because the on switch would be turned off real quick.

Okay, here is the thing. If removing feeding tubes is so cruel, how come I have never heard this come up before Terry's case? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. I really want to know Removing feeding tubes didn't start with Terry Schaivo. This has been a means of ending life support for years. So it's just why now, is this being brought up as such a cruel way to die? This is what I don't get. If this is the reason then NO feeding tubes should ever be removed again ever, from anybody. And as I stated before, I personally think suffocating (taking someone off a breathing machine) would be a horrid way to die. But I don't know all the medical insights that doctors do. I know Karen Quinlan's Mom said her daughter was in pain being on the breathing respirator, so they fought to have that removed and simply had the nasal tube helping her breath, and she lived for another 10 years, before dying of pneumonia.

Or how about the "slaying in the spirit" Where people fall backwards? Those people were possessed, remember? I tried explaining to an offshootie lady (who was educating me while we were watching some religious show where they were doing this) that much of this had to do with "group think" they think they have to do this, they see others do it and they feel they have to do it too etc....etc..etc.. But NOPE. She told me the people who fell backwards were possessed. That the minister was actually ministering a devil spirit to the people when he touched them on their heads. And the people who didn't fall over weren't possessed. OOOOOOkay.

PS. Yeah Patricia Heaton plays his henpecking wife. lol.

Oh someone was quoting an article or something from a Patricia Heaton, (look at the first page) and I think I did see her on TV talking about this case. I remember cause I was like..??? HUH? What does she have to do with this?

(((RASCAL)))) I'm sorry too! I shouldn't have said that. I'm going back to erase. OKay, back to the subject at hand. Feeding tubes have been removed thousands of times. This is not the first time this has happened. These decisions are made thousands of times every day, according to news reports. I don't like the idea of taking people off life support either! Especially breathing. Interesting how suffocation is thought of as a "soft death" Excuse me? Not being able to breath? Personally I'd rather be shot in the head than to die of suffocation. Anyway, I'm simply pointing out what the courts are ruling on Constitutionally. I don't know what Terri's wishes would be, as she had nothing legal drawn up. Here is a link to a USA today article. Schiavo unlikely to experience pain, neurologists say I have no idea what this poor woman will be experiencing, nobody really does. But it is something to consider I suppose. Of course, I may find articles supporting the exact opposite view, I have no doubt.

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I've seen countless parents on the news that HAVE pulled the plug on their kids. I don't think anyone wants that lady dead, good lord,

Well I was never much of a fan but what a terrible way to go! Poor guy! Although it gave you a great thread title satori! ;)-->

Agreed, and btw I'm just repeating what the courts have found I think we have to take a huge step back and remember that this is not something that has just happened within the last couple of weeks, the Florida courts have been going over this for years. And they have to go by what the law and constitution says, even though it emotionally charged. And one thing I'd like to ask the marchers and the people with the signs, and the tape over their mouths (god that looks so weird) is would THEY be willing to pay for this poor ladies expenses for the rest of her life?

PS. Patricia Heaton? Everybody loves Raymond Patricia Heaton?

I don't know. I hear a lot of stuff coming out of their camp which I personally wouldn't buy right off as 100 percent credible. There are a lot of emotions running high there. I heard an interview with Terri's brother which said that the condition that she was in was caused by her husband's abuse. That too me sounded like a HUGE denial of the eating disorder that doctors have speculated contributed to her state. Yesterday when I was at the animal hospital (picking up Nico from surgery) I was watching Karen Ann Quinlans Mom on the tube. She was giving an interview on CNN I believe. That lady is incredible. Anyone remember her? That was back in the mid 70s. That was a huge watershed on the right to die issue. Of course, Karen's Mom said that they were not asking for death. They were simply refusing treatment and letting nature run it's course. She was quite an interesting, and incredible lady. I forgot all about that story till this story resurfaced.

Her husband claims that Terri had verbalized that she didn't want to live like this (though nothing is in writing) and the courts have upheld that "Terri" has the right to withhold treatment. From what I understand from the neurologists the part of her brain that feels pain is destroyed, and she will not suffer. That is what THEY are saying. I have no other knowledge other than that. However I do know that this goes on privately in America all the time. Feeding tubes are removed per living wills, or a loved ones intervention that they do not want to see their loved one remian in a vegatative state. I read that Terri lives at a not-for-profit Woodside Hospice. She is permitted to stay for free because she is considered indigent. Patients who can afford it pay roughly $80,000 a year. Her medical costs, have been paid for the past couple of years by the state's Medicaid program for needy people. I found a recent story that is from the Houston Chronical that caught my eye. It started out lke this. "Jannette Nikolouzos is angry with the Texas law that allows St. Luke's Hospital to unhook her husband from life support tomorrow. "I'm so ashamed of my state that it executes civilians without criminal history," she told reporter Todd Ackerman. She may be surprised to learn that National Right to Life, the organization that is helping to lead the fight to keep a Florida hospital from removing life support for Terri Schiavo, helped write the Texas law." According the the newspapers, "In 1999, then-Gov. Bush signed the Advance Directives Act, which lets a patient's surrogate make life-ending decisions on his or her behalf. The measure also allows Texas hospitals to disconnect patients from life-sustaining systems if a physician, in consultation with a hospital bioethics committee, concludes that the patient's condition is hopeless. " Just last week another baby born with dwarf lungs was discontinued from a breathing machine. (not being able to breath sounds pretty awful to me, btw) Despite the mothers objections. Mama did NOT want baby off life support. Now here is what I don't understand. When confronted by an apparant hypocrosy, the Bush camp said the law in Texas is different because it does not deal with families that are on different sides?? I just don't understand how that could possibly matter. If mama doesn't want baby OFF of life support and the state pulls the plug, then why should it matter if a family member was on a different side? Did anyone else read this? Am I getting this right?

OH btw I find it very insulting you would refer to Camilla as having a "horse face." As if that's an insult. Shame on you Steve! I find Mr. Ed very attractive. Amber Frey did her makeover based on his profile you know.

Steve! No I never check my PT's. I wish I could get a little flag when I have a PT but I never do. I've got some computer sickness now, and I can't even get IN TO my damned PTs. I have a DLL error. Whatever the hell that is. I can't get IE I lose my windows, it takes me 3 restarts to load AOHell, so something is wrong here. I'm waiting for my computer guy, Homer, to call and help me out. Anyway, My NEW email addy, is RottyGrrrl@aol.com I changed it after some psycho who thought I was after her old gray husband (NOT) was stalking me. Nico just had leg surgery btw and I stole one of her painkillers cause I have cramps. so if I seem a little rambling and incoherent, (like I need an excuse) that's why

Holy Crap can you imagine what Camilla's and Charles KIDS would have looked like? Ugh. Diana saved the bloodline with her looks. You know, I almost was going to name my rottie Camilla, cause Diana used to call Camilla "The Rottweiler" but Nico (my rottie) has such a pretty face, and I didn't want to name her after Diana's arch enemy. I find it interesting that when a man ascends to King, his wife automatically becomes Queen, but when a woman ascends to the throne (like Elizabeth) her husband does not become King. Of course, I don't think I can ever get that conversation out of my head where Charles told Camilla he would like to be her tampon. Ewwwwww. I remember reading after that store clerks in England were referring to sanitary napkins as a box of Charlies.