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waysider those are wonderful points, and I agree completely. Everything in the way, was done for the agenda of the way, and NOT the Word, not for a personal walk with the Lord, not for how the Lord wanted to direct your life for your own benefit,(and His glory) it was ALL for the way. Which is why it was so frustrating to go back years later to the offshoot, and people were in complete denial about the very things that made the Way fall apart. They were trying to redo the exact same things and covering up all the wrong things that made them fall in the first place. I swear, I think that some of these offshoots are just cursed. I know the Way was/is. But, that's my own opinion and perhaps another thread sometime....:)/>

johniam: That is so cool. It seems like the hand of God was at work in your particular situation. As for the marriage thing, I remember one Greasespotter saying something to the effect of, all some people had in common was "The Way" and when that crumbled they realized they had nothing in common. So I get what you are saying. But hey, sounds like you're doing really well in your chosen field. Coming back to add: I ALSO remember the straight anti-freeze thing! I actually helped a guy during the bitter cold winter, even though I was no longer in the Window washing business. I helped him for 2 days because he was freaking overloaded with windows to wash. And I remember coming home feeling like an icicle. And yeah, in fact, this guy eventually went into his own janitorial business, and made decent money. I remember he got grief for that because he was missing "classes." He told me the only way he was going to make any money was by WORKING, and screw the classes. I think that was the beginning of the end of the Way for him as well.

Oh yeah, the any two believers can make a marriage work if you renew your mind, I believe that was a thread by itself, somewhere in the dustbins of greasespot, lol. Most people find it hard enough to "renew their mind" to be around some people for more than 2 minutes, much less marry somebody they are not compatible with. Almost seems like Weirwille wanted to bring people back to the cultures of the first century church. Crazy. Real Clean Windows.! Yes! That was it. Didn't it have the holy spirit dove on the business cards? I never heard of Steed Oil, when I googled it, it seems like it was some pyramid group like Amway. DogLover, I was still dabbling in the way during 80-81, (and I'm in the Chicago area) I'm wondering if I might have known your corps brothers, I probably must have run into them. I'm wondering who JN is. You are bringing back memories. I remember when I got sick of the Way, and just quit that stupid window washing job, I got some certified letter from some guy saying that I could not go back and "bid" on their precious windows. LOL! Wow. What memories you are bringing back. I remember my mother and me having a good laugh over that. Like I was after this guy's goldmine of a business. My mom thought these people were crackpots, but I was too young to appreciate that at the time. :P Skyrider, I remember one lady in particular dropping out of college to wash windows. In fact, that made the local news when the Suntimes reporter did their news story. Her mom was furious. I recently looked her up online and was happy to see she is a teacher now, so she did go back to school. Hey, I'm still of the belief that God will double your trouble for whatever you lost in life. I know it sounds corny, but, really nothing is in vain with the Lord. Okay, sorry for the religious tangent, lol.

Thanks for the input on group weddings. Like I said I can see how the window washing thing worked for some people, but for a time there it seemed like EVERY body was doing it. I mean, I have to laugh when I think of myself actually doing it for a summer. Good grief. I am not the physical outdoor type. I was hanging with some ex wayfers in the early 2000's for a bit, and they were in their oh, late 40s/50s at the time, and still had the window washing business, and I'm telling you, I thought it was kind of sad. This was hard physical labor in all kinds of nasty weather. Thank goodness they are both out of it now, letting their daughter and others run the business. Anyway,appreciate the input all. :) (still love that moonie link!)

Okay Twinky that certainly makes sense. And what a great link for the moonie mass wedding. HOLY COWABUNGA!!! :wacko: And that was just recent too! I can't believe the moonies have so many followers still!

Thank you WW. The marriage thing sounds a bit less weird now. When I hear of mass weddings, I automatically think of the Moonies and the stunt they pulled. I think it was the moonies. I'm too lazy to google right now. As far as the window washing too, the cheap start up costs makes a lot of sense, and how it might be an ideal job for people going to ministry, it makes a lot of sense. But yeah, this was going strong back in 79/80. It was like, the thing to DO. Everybody gloated about how much money they were making, and I think that perhaps some people it worked out well, for many others it was just a big fish story. But it must have been somebodies brainchild somewhere. I don't know. Like I said. I just recently found out what "meme" meant. I still don't know how to pronounce it. But it was like in the Way, once somebody got ahold of a book, or movie they saw, it was like THE THING to read or do. And it was that way with the window washing back in 79/80. It's was like "quit your job and become a window washer!" I kid you not. And it just didn't work well for everybody. I didn't know they were like that with house painting too. Good grief, I'm glad I didn't try that. I have no eye for painting at all!

I know it's an odd mix for a topic. First, I've read about "mass marriages" on these boards before, at least a couple times, and quite frankly, I couldn't believe it. Now I was more involved with an offshoot, than I was with The Way itself, but did this really happen? It reminds me of something the moonies would do. I DO recall back in 79/80 when I was involved with the original wayfers, that people were just hooking up with anybody. It was freaking ridiculous. I'm sure most of those marriages have ended in divorce. Secondly, how did all the window washing stuff start? I even got roped into doing that myself for a summer. It was no where near as good money as everybody was making it out to be, and I really didn't like the hard physical work OUTDOORS and using my own car tooling around everywhere, so I didn't last long. But some people still do it to this day, and hey, if they can make a go of it, That's fantastic. But I'm curious how that all got started. One thing with the wayfers and the offshoots, I guess nowadays you would call it like a meme. Whatever somebody gets into, a book, a movie, whatever, spreads all around like it's the ONE THING, that everybody is into at the same time. I saw it a lot at the offshoot I went to. Anyway, I'm getting off topic. So back to recap, did the Way really have mass marriages and how the heck did the window washing start? :)

I'll Amen you on that exie. :)

Yeah, well, I'll tell you Mr. WW. I'm still going through your stuff, and LIKE I TOLD YOU, I hate it because you are making my brain work, lol. But your words are not in vain, it's just taking awhile, just so you know. :)

Waysider I've read plenty of your posts..I still lurk here from time to time even when I'm not posting...and You don't have a callous bone in your body. Sometimes we need to just get out what we are thinking you know? And I agree with your post anyway. You are NOT callous!!! You are a caring person. I don't want to get mushy with you so I'll leave it at that, lol.

Steve, all I can contribute right now is a big AMEN! to your post. That sums it up nicely.

Oh gosh! I remember going to my mother's Catholic church...the one that I Was raised in, sigh... and demanding to know about speaking in tongues, I KNEW they had small catholic groups that did that. Mind you, this was back in 1979/80... and the deacon or whatever title he held, told me YES, they do have these small groups that do that. I was trying to prove to my mother, that this was real. Well...in my zeal to prove this, I ran across a lady who was part of the "info team" at that church. I remember to this day. She said, I just try to walk in LOVE. I don't worry about that stuff. I thought she was a simpleton and walked away disgusted. Geez.

My heart goes out to him. Thank you Groucho for the link.

Well I actually have to hand it to them for being open minded. Seriously. And I bet they were nobody's fool either. The thing that actually attracted people was the REAL Word they heard. You know?

Broken Arrow your killing me. :jump:/> This could be a thread in and of itself. Seriously. The things we did when we were waybrained and how foolish and unspiritual our parents/others(natural men) were who were so carnal minded. Oh my gosh. I know I spoke in tongues in front of people. Yeah, that really impressed them. :rolleyes:/> lol! And now I really need to get back to work, well...it's Good Friday, I guess I can take off early.

Broken Arrow, that was a great story, lol. I'm sure most of us have our own version of something like that in our past too. I know I do, lol. I think it was a certain beloved greasespotter here who once posted that for Christmas she gave her entire Catholic family copies of JC is Not God. :biglaugh: That still tickles me to this day when I think of that.

I saw the news report too, and while I did laugh at the same things you did, Groucho (Wiere-WHILE and the CULTure of adultery) I found it rather annoying that the news reporters rather dismissed the adultery in "The Way" as between "consenting" adults. That was their words, wasn't it?

That scripture or quote, where ever and when ever I see, it, HE IS RISEN..STILL gives me goose bumps! Thank you Lord Jesus! :dance:/>

Interesting link Rocky Fox 9 reporter Tom Lyden. I see The Way and Wierwille's fine legacy live on. Sheesh. Thank goodness I'm no longer associated with any offshoot of this group. I'd be ashamed of it's history. And yeah, this guy sounds like a cross between David Koresh and Warren Jeffs.

Oh my word wolf. I love you and I find you annoying because you actually get my brain a thinking. I need to think about this, I agree with your points, well taken my friend. But still...well, like I said, I'll respond to this a bit later lol. Okay, I think some guys are just LAZY. They are taken off guard and think they are like "the answer man" of the moment. So they have to come up with something...So without taking a breather, and saying, let me look at this scripture..they just come up off the cuff with some answer. I think that's part of it too.. Like I said, I need to digest some of this and think. Intelligence doesn't come naturally to me. lolololololol.

Back in 2000, I knew a guy that "took" Momentus, and ended up in the hospital. It really broke him psychologically. When I was dabbling in my very brief...well...dabble, in CES at that time, JL recommended Momentus to me. I couldn't believe he was doing that, when he KNEW this guy was hospitalized, and when I mentioned it to this guy, he just shook his head and remarked, "So he's still pushing Momentus, sheesh." I just tried looking up Momentus therapy, and the only link to it is dead. There are websites that talk about it, (all negative) but I can't find a live link where anyone is actually still in business selling or practicing this.

Oh gosh WW: Thank you for clearing both things up. I can understand the Simon thing a lot better. That one verse that is so terribly confusing about Jesus saying that not everybody who call's me Lord,etc...Well in context that sure makes a lot more sense. The thing is WHY don't the mainstream preachers get this? This is a verse that terribly frightens a lot of Christians, and whenever I hear this question being brought up via TV or radio, you hear a lot of mumbling and hmming and hawing from these "experts" but they pretty much just reinforce the belief that it's meant towards Christians. I don't know why I did not see this clearer just by reading it in context, I feel kind of stupid, but then again, I have to point to the "experts" who obviously can't answer a simple question either without confusing people.

Oh yeah exie take your time, it's not that long, the entire thing is less than half an hour, but you have to be in the right frame of mind to see it. It's quite brutal, I think, and painful to watch. I believe she may be healed, but I'm sure she still carries scars. PS. I love it when you say you can't read the whole post but you acknowledge it. lol. That tickles me, lol. Cause I know what you mean. I get lazy brain when things get wordy. I always had trouble reading Stephen King novels. Mr. Diarrhea of the word processor. :yawn1:/> WW: Interesting scripture you brought up. I had forgotten about Simon the sorcerer. I am assuming he was born again because he believed, but yet I'm confused as to why the people were not saved yet after being baptized in the name of Jesus, I guess that's different than believing he is the Savior? I guess that's more of doctrine question though. Since you brought that scripture up though, it made me think of another one in Acts. Where some Jewish exorcist wanted the power of casting out demons, like he saw the apostles doing, and got the crap beat out of him. In fact, that scripture in Mathew that says "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!" That scripture scares a lot of people, like salvation isn't a sure thing. But I think maybe it's talking about unbelievers using his name. I've seen these ghost chaser shows where they are having seances and actually use the name of Jesus or the "white light" to protect them before they call up the dead. So I'm kind of hoping Jesus is talking about stuff like that. And not like idiot believers like me. Anyway, people like the power, as you pointed out, it's right in scripture. Damn. I just want to get through this life with a peaceful exit, like I'm sure MOST of us do.

Oh my gosh. I couldn't listen to Joyce for close to two years, because a woman I knew (ex wayfer too) became such a fanatic with her. I guess because Joyce has such a huge following she attracts all kinds in various stages. But, whenever you want to give it a peek, Here is part one Joyce Meyer Testimony Part 1 and here is part two Joyce Meyer Testimony Part 2 I don't know. I do believe that people can be healed, absolutely, but I find it hard to fathom that people can go through any kind of abuse unscathed. There is always some scar people will carry with them, deep in their soul. Perhaps that's not a bad thing though. Coming back to edit: Perhaps it's not a bad thing if what they are hurting from can help other people. Only the hurting can truly understand another hurting.