WordWolf

Next song. "Get your motor runnin'"

Hercules, no kidding? *checks* No, no kidding. This is interesting. When he was knighted, he wasn't knighted Sir Reginald Dwight, he was knighted Sir Elton H John.

That's close enough to count. The President in this story is Abraham Lincoln. The general is Ulysses S. Grant. Grant wasn't a complete teetotaler, but he drank little most of the time. His reputation as a boozer was partly because he wasn't that big, so it was easier for him to get drunk. (Try getting William Howard Taft drunk- that would take a lot of booze.) Because it was possible, he usually watched his drinking. So, his reputation as a boozer was largely exaggeration. Your turn!

Anyone who cares enough can go among a lot of Christian groups, and find stories among many of them, stories of deliverance, of blessings, of miracles, of healings. What does that tell us about blessings and the Christian groups? Someone desperate to find some label, some group, some brand, might say that ALL of those are endorsed by God. I think most would conclude that the blessings of God in the lives of people are completely unrelated to whatever groups they are in, or are NOT in. twi, and vpw and lcm especially, used to be very vocal with its adherents about how the blessings of God would abandon them if they left twi, and He would not protect them, and so on. They would be "a greasespot by midnight." Well, midnight has come and gone, and we're still moving on with our lives, generally better-off than when twi was a part of our lives.

As stated in pfal, the so-called "Law of believing", when practiced, is a means by which a person, using only the force of their will, causes things to happen, in accord with what that person wills to happen. "Magick is the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with the Will."- Aleister Crowley. So, does that mean the "Law of Believing" as taught in pfal is witchcraft and magic? Yes. It could have come straight out of the writings of Aleister Crowley.

The "literal translations according to usage" were frequently plagiarized as well. "vpw's" "literal translation according to usage" of Philippians 4:13 "I am ready for anything and equal to anything through him who infuses inner strength into me." (It was even in an Acts 29 song which was a title cut, and was part of the chorus.) Here's the Amplified Bible's version of Philippians 4:13. " I can do all things [which He has called me to do] through Him who strengthens and empowers me [to fulfill His purpose—I am self-sufficient in Christ’s sufficiency; I am ready for anything and equal to anything through Him who infuses me with inner strength and confident peace.] " For those wondering, the Amplified Bible's New Testament was completed in 1958, and the bound full Bible was in stores as of 1965, published by ZONDERVAN, the same company that sells a bunch of reference books in the twi bookstore. So, yes, vpw was aware of the thing. Naturally, I'm expecting someone to claim either that vpw got that by revelation and it was an astonishing coincidence they read the same, or that God told vpw to plagiarize that version and verse and make sure to leave out any reference to the Amplified Bible.

Ok, name ANY of the game-shows to take the round. Obscure game-show time again. A) This game-show was inspired by an early 1980s video game by Konami, whose name it shares. Damon Wayans Jr is one of the hosts. It started out on Peacock (NBC streaming) but has appeared elsewhere in syndication. Contestants attempt to cross any of several "screens" (play areas) without "drowning" and "losing a life." Pairs of contestants try each area, with the better of the 2 moving on to the final round, where the best score comes from the most "hostages" (my term) rescued and the best time- but with a timer and with only one "life". The winner of each episode wins a fanny-pack full of money, and returns to try to make it to the series finale, for even more money. No part closely resembles the arcade game, but one "level" does involve crossing a highway. B) John Cena's one of the hosts of this show. It's another show where contestants risk "drowning" and getting knocked from places. It's NOT inspired by any video game or other source AFAIK. This show has already had several seasons, between ABC and TBS. It supposedly has the "world's largest obstacle course." C) Don't fall under in this game-show or you're out, and your team has to manage without you! In this game, you have to traverse any of several "rooms" that are booby-trapped and make it to the end. If you go under, you're "dead" for reasons obvious to people who know this show's title. It's inspired by a children's game. The children's game can be invoked anywhere, but the game is properly played at someone's house, without shoes, and preferably by smaller children that don't weigh as much as adults.

Larry Abbott Eugene Grizzard Dr Doug Ross George Caldwell Avram Belinski Letterman Quackser Fortune Rudy Valentine Rudy Hickman Michael Jordon Teddy Pierce Duffy Bergman

Maybe the line was "Hold me closer, Tiny Dancer." Reginald Dwight was still Reginald Dwight, but also known as Elton John.

Next song. "From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee, Across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea."

Wrong president, your thinking is incorrect.

The following story is made up, which is a shame. One US President received notices about one of his generals. Some people didn't like that general, and attempted to portray him as a drunkard. The President replied to those notices. He asked them to find out what it was he was drinking. The President said he was interested in sending a few barrels of that to EACH of his generals, to see if he could get the same winning results from all of them. The criticisms stopped. The truth of the matter is that one general DID have a REPUTATION as a drinker. He could get drunk easily, and a few years before, he'd lost his wife and child, so he had drunk a bit then. At the present time, he was sober and NOT drinking. However, reputations can be hard to shake, even if they were unwarranted the entire time. Anyway, which US President is this about, and which general?

"Yes we have, and I bring up the rarely considered views." You bring up something. Whether it's rarely-considered or worthy of discussion is another thing entirely. "Here's another: VPW was the kind of mover and shaker that moved the Word around the world, and even to this old hippie (young then), for which I am extremly thankful." vpw moved almost nothing. His group was tiny and incredibly obscure. We would never have heard of him if he hadn't hijacked the hippies. See, there was a bunch of quality Christians, young ones who walked the walk and weren't focused on studying a new Greek word. They were getting attention. vpw heard of them and rushed over. He put on his full act. They were convinced he was some great one. Some of them avoided him, but some others joined twi. Those people became the entire advertising arm of twi, its entire outreach program, its missionary program, etc. One might say, by derailing the work they HAD been doing, that vpw had DISRUPTED the GENUINE work of God in the lives of local people there, people who were making enough of a difference nationally that people all over the US had heard of them- until they joined twi and faded from most of the public, and became part of the twi machine. So, those hippies and ex-hippies- and the people they taught- "moved the Word around the world" to the degree it happened. However, despite them doing all the work, you never give them the credit. "There is no way I could have gotten what I cherish now from any of VPW's sources, ESPECIALLY in the state I was in back in 1971. I would not have been able to listen long enough to Billy Graham to get born again, and I'd have NEVER learned to SIT from any of the teachers the past 50 years." Sure would have been nice to have heard directly from your peers during a genuine movement among God's people.... which would have happened if they hadn't been drawn out of that movement and into twi. "I can't take what Western Churchianity offers seriously. I love blending in with them to see if I can serve any where, gently and without controversy." There are so many genuine things happening among God's people all over, regardless of denomination, that it's a terrible shame you're reduced to tossing insults like "churchianity" at them. If that's your attitude, you're neither going to be loving- they can sense that- nor will you find what you actually need. You'll no more find them than a thief will find a policeman. "I have visited many churches with neighbors and customers and even the musicians I hob-nob with. EVERY time I am in another church I have a great sense of thankfulness for what I was taught, and for what I had in common with that particular church. I think we got the best quality product on the market." Are you going around calling them "churchianity"? If your focus is more on what you have, and not what you can gain from interaction with them, you're going to miss it every time.

I thought I'd get ahead of one of our talking-points. A lot of people here read "Babylon-Mystery Religion." Yes, the author wrote a sequel-"The Babylon Connection?' that largely repudiated the book. But that's not my point. A lot of us read "Babylon- Mystery Religion". We had no trouble reading it- it was a book that was particularly easy to read. There's a reason for that. The author read "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, and found it ponderous and hard-to-read. So, he largely rewrote "The Two Babylons"- taking the main points and stating them much more clearly. The book was specifically designed to be easy-to-read. According to one school of thought, vpw didn't follow legal and moral imperatives and cite his sources because he cared about us so much, and properly citing sources would have made the books unreadable. That is demonstratably bushwah. "Babylon-Mystery Religion" cites its sources ALL THE TIME. The end-notes for each chapter were extensive. Were they a distraction? Hardly. Most people not looking for them didn't notice they were there. Most people reading the book didn't notice they were there. As soon as I looked for them, I was amazed at how well-documented everything was, since all of it was UNOBTRUSIVE. Worse, since this book was carried in the twi bookstore, vpw had an example on-hand of a book with extensive documentation that was NOT a distraction from the book. So, had he actually wanted to give proper credit (as is legally-mandated and morally proper), he had an example to use that would have been unobtrusive. So, that argument is without merit. And was about to be repeated, so I thought I'd save everyone some time this time around.

With public domain, the public owns it. So, citing sources is still legally necessary. You can use it as much as you want- so long as sources are cited.

So, in other words, as instructed by vpw, twi, etc, to "operate the Law of Believing", is to engage in white magic, witchcraft? (The answer is yes. Shocking, isn't it?)

vpw didn't give them "FREE ADVERTISING." vpw plagiarized their efforts and didn't say so. Every once in a while he'd quote something- that lulled people who trusted him into thinking he really cited his sources (he did it a LITTLE, but most of the time, he did NOT.) twi tapes have twi information and twi labels on them. It's easy to see where they are from. Most, IIRC, have a MAILING ADDRESS on them. You can get a catalog or order some. Plagiarizing is the OPPOSITE of that. Kenyon wasn't mentioned much, and Stiles wasn't mentioned AT ALL. In fact, vpw referred to him ANONYMOUSLY in one place, and later erased the mention of anyone else (the White Book.) So, that's the opposite of advertising. All of this is known. "Has anyone done any research on this?" Are you kidding? You don't know by now? http://empirenet.com/~messiah7/tw_founder.htm We've discussed this a lot.

I thought he meant the movies based on how he started the clue. How would you call that one, George?

I don't know if there was such a show, but that's not the name of any show I'm talking about.

vpw wasn't savvy enough to copyright the tapes. vpw slapped a copyright on every single book, starting with the first ones that he plagiarized all down the line. See, Mike, you can't have it both ways. Either it's wrong to plagiarize everybody- so don't plagiarize vpw but he was wrong to do it first, or it's perfectly fine to plagiarize everybody so it's ok to plagiarize vpw all you want. You've claimed vpw was ok to plagiarize, but if we do it to vpw's books, it's wrong.

According to Mike, it was ok for vpw alone to do it because God told vpw to do it- He told vpw what to plagiarize, where to find it, etc. But if YOU do it with vpw's books, it's wrong.

"No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. " If one is going to find a word and fixate on it, there's more reason to focus on "BUT". Even vpw said that put what was said before and what's said after in direct contradiction. So, "the Scriptures- they are God-breathed" was contrasted directly with "all that Wierwille writes". But really, basing one's entire theology on something like this isn't healthy.

" The Bible was written so that you as a believer need not be blown about by every wind of doctrine or theory or ideology. This Word of God does not change. Men change, ideologies change, opinions change; but this Word of God lives and abides forever. It endures, it stands. Let's see this from John 5:39. "Search the scriptures...." It does not say search Shakespeare or Kant or Plato or Aristotle or V.P. Wierwille's writings or the writings of a denomination. No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed." ========================================= Ok, so we saw that the sensible, obvious understanding of the passage was to contrast The Bible/ Word of God/ Scripture with the writings of any man/Shakespeare/Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/Calvin/Luther/Wesley/Graham/Roberts/a denomination, since the Scriptures/The Bible/Word of God is God-breathed. That's not difficult. So, an entire secret message was constructed on the word "necessarily". For the slow people in the audience, the question still remains- what would it mean for SOMETHING of the writings of Wierwille/Calvin/Luther/Wesley/Graham/Roberts to be God-breathed? John 3:16. " For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life." I just quoted a verse of Scripture/the Word of God/The Bible. By vpw's own definition, that verse is God-breathed. I wrote the verse down. Not everything that WordWolf posts will necessarily be God-breathed, but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. It can be argued that quoting Scripture and teaching it correctly (the devil can quote Scripture and teach it deceptively) means that what one writes will be God-breathed. If one is 100% accurate 100% of the time, than it would appear that almost everything one writes would be God-breathed- but that would still be no GUARANTEE. There's no guarantee of any of us being 100% sure. That's in contrast with the more sure words of Scripture. ============================== A separate question is whether or not vpw was separate from the other authors he mentioned. In the passage, he was not. Perhaps in his imagination, he was- he certainly wanted us all to think he was superior to all the Christians he plagiarized while claiming their words were his own, and he may have thought himself superior to all of them, and other times, he did lie like a rug. But in this passage, he's not really separated from the others, although the phrasing is interesting for those who wish to track vpw's narcissism. So, did vpw write any level of Scripture? Not unless you count also Calvin, Luther, Wesley, etc. Did vpw claim here to write any level of Scripture? No, he did not- although he left something vague. As I see it, this is part of his pattern of lying by INSINUATION. " I didn't actually SAY I was on my college's varsity team- I said I played all through college." "I didn't actually SAY I played for the Sheboygan Redskins, I said I was involved with them." "I didn't actually SAY I was getting revelation at that moment- I paused at the podium, made a gesture, mumbled an acknowledgement at nobody in particular, and then said something I heard on the John Birch Society hotline this afternoon." So, for those still gullible, there's wiggle-room to TRY to believe that SOME of vpw's writings will "necessarily" be God-breathed. For the rest of us, there's reality. So, there you have it. vpw didn't write any Scripture, and didn't say he did, but he left a bit of wiggle-room so that if someone really wanted to believe he did, they couid do so. That's grossly irresponsible for a minister, but vpw was FAR more concerned with his image and self-image than he was for his congregation.

All right, let's go over what it actually says. "The Bible was written so that you as a believer need not be blown about by every wind of doctrine or theory or ideology. This Word of God does not change. Men change, ideologies change, opinions change; but this Word of God lives and abides forever. It endures, it stands. Let's see this from John 5:39. "Search the scriptures...." It should surprise nobody that pfal uses certain terms almost interchangeably. Here we see an example- "The Bible" and "This Word of God" and "The Scriptures" were mentioned, in effect, interchangeably. it's obvious that all refer to the exact same thing- that "The Scriptures" is the "Word of God" that was mentioned- "THIS" to refer specifically, and that's the same as "The Bible" in the preceding sentence. That's just reading what's there, and not reading secret, occult messages into what's there. ""Search the scriptures...." It does not say search Shakespeare or Kant or Plato or Aristotle or V.P. Wierwille's writings or the writings of a denomination. No, it says "Search the scriptures..." " Here we see "the scriptures" contrasted. On one side we have "the scriptures." On the other side, we have the writings of different people- the writings of "Shakespeare" "Kant" "Plato" "Aristotle" "V.P. Wierwille" "a denomination." So, "the scriptures" are not any of those- not the writings of Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/a denomination. That's just reading what's there, and not reading secret, occult messages into what's there. "No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. " Again, the Scriptures- in contrast to the writings of Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/a denomination- is God-breathed, and that's ALL Scripture." Again, just reading what's there. "No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. " We already knew that all Scripture was God-breathed, and was CONTRASTED with the writings of Kant/Plato/Aristotle/Wierwille/a denomination. Here we see the contrast AGAIN. "Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed." Mike would have us believe that this sentence means vpw claimed that his own writings were at least PARTLY "God-breathed." He says this not because vpw actually says "Some of my writings are God-breathed, and here's how you know...." No. Here, instead, we got another example of what we were already seeing- contrast between God-breathed Scripture, and writings of Wierwille and a number of other sources. The Scriptures are God-breathed. That's contrasting with the writings of Wierwille, Calvin, Luther, Wesley, Graham and Roberts. The meaning is very easy to understand. For people not straining for hidden. occult messages, this is all easy to follow. However, since there are one or two people wondering how that works, I will explain further...

It amazes me that it's actually necessary to say some things that should be really obvious in a "the water was wet!" fashion. So, we had victor paul wierwille, a plagiarist, a drunkard, a narcissist, a rapist, a simonist, a man who took on the job of "preacher" because it was easier than the other jobs he considered at the time, a man who, by his own admission, kept considering giving it up in his first year as preacher, a man who managed a lot of preaching by plagiarizing the works of other Christians, who "wrote" books composed of their writings and said "I wrote this", a man who found out there were young, impressionable, sincere Christians getting things done in the sexually-permissive Haight-Ashbury area of San Francisco, and went to recruit them while he tried to find out about orgies and possibly attend one, a man who put his name on the works of others in twi, and eventually claimed to have heard from God in 1942 with a Promise that kept changing and was STILL proven a lie even with the changing details. When he ripped off BG Leonard's class and JE Stiles' book, vpw taught the class and had others transcribe what he taught. It's been claimed that pfal itself was God-breathed- which was easy to disprove by pfal's standards because pfal gave a standard for whether or not something was God-breathed or not- and applied that to the Bible, known as "The Scriptures" in certain passages. Now, then, there was a separate claim as to whether or not vpw wrote The Scriptures. Well, according to vpw's works, The Scriptures are God-breathed, and vpw's own works fall short of that. So, that shouldn't even be an issue more than 2 decades after that was shown. A separate claim was whether or not vpw claimed he actually wrote The Scriptures. Supposedly, this was based on what was written in the Orange Book on page 83. Now, we all know that vpw's writings were NOT God-breathed- or we should know by now. But did vpw actually CLAIM they were? Let's see what page 83 actually said. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Bible was written so that you as a believer need not be blown about by every wind of doctrine or theory or ideology. This Word of God does not change. Men change, ideologies change, opinions change; but this Word of God lives and abides forever. It endures, it stands. Let's see this from John 5:39. "Search the scriptures...." It does not say search Shakespeare or Kant or Plato or Aristotle or V.P. Wierwille's writings or the writings of a denomination. No, it says "Search the scriptures..." because all Scripture is God-breathed. Not all that Wierwille writes will necessarily be God-breathed; not all that Calvin said, nor Luther, nor Wesley, nor Graham, nor Roberts; but the Scriptures- they are God-breathed. ==============================