WordWolf

Let me clarify that. The context of my sentence was that they REWROTE the origin of Venom for the cartoon, and THAT's the origin I cited and you confirmed (the cartoon origin). The comic(616, Marvel continuity) origin of Venom goes as follows: Spiderman was one of the heroes kidnapped by the Beyonder for the Secret Wars. Spiderman lost the use of his webshooters when Reed Richards needed all the electronics to assemble an device that allowed them to channel more power thru Iron Man's armor so he could blast a tunnel clear of the mountain range the Molecule Man dropped on them. Spidey's costume later took a lot of damage in the fighting. When they were inside one of the bases later, Reed had used one of the alien devices to make new costumes for people. Spidey went in later and tried to figure out which device did it. He ended up with the black costume, which imitated the Spider-Woman they met there (from the kidnapped suburb of Denver). He later discovered the costume had built-in webshooters, and that it would follow his commands-opening a pocket, swiching to short sleeves, appear as normal clothing. He discovered even later that it wasn't a costume, but a symbiotic lifeform that was living off his life-energy. It proved vulnerable to sonic attacks, and Reed Richards got it off Spiderman with a sonic blaster. When it escaped containment, it went after Spiderman again. He got free of it by risking permanent damage to his hearing and jumping inside a church belfry while the bells rang (he'd never make it to Reed in time.) It crawled off, dying, and would have died there, but Eddie Brock was downstairs, praying for absolution or something, and it merged with him. That's the Venom in the comic books. (Don't ask me about Carnage-that was just a stupid idea.) Then again, most of the kids who think they know the X-Men only know them from the cartoon and movies, not the comics, even the hatchet job that hack Austen did on them. So, it's almost a foregone conclusion that the kids will ALL say the cartoon origin is the "correct" one.

Oldies, Please stop isolating Zixar's quote out of its context. The context was the affects of the organization itself on someone who currently rejects their claims of authority, as regards to their actions in a court of law. Isolating it OUT of that context is as honest as using the "I will give thee the heathen for thine inheritance" verse as a missionary verse while ignoring the next verse says "you shall break them with a rod of iron...". You know better than that, and I'd expect better of you than that.

The cartoons rewrote the Venom origin, so I see no reason for the movies not to. I think John Jameson or some other astronaut was connected with its arrival from space. Hey- the X-Men cartoon rewrote the M'kraan crystal saga, which makes sense. That thing can injure small children trying to understand it.

Mike, On an auto-parts message board, would you accuse the posters of being obsessed with their cars and thinking of nothing else, if that's all they posted about? No, that's what the board is FOR. That's them using the board for its intended purpose. If there were many claims that users found the carburetor of the 1952 Ford Snowhopper to be inferior and problematic, would you accuse them of focusing on negatives? (Maybe I shouldn't ask...)

Sounds to me like another case where there were more blessings on the field than at headquarters. Then again, NY in general periodically made rude gestures in the direction of conformity. Not that we weren't tricked plenty of times, just that you had to be subtle-overt pressure to conform gets a knee-jerk reaction in the Big Apple and points nearby. (I can't speak for what went on upstate, but the Spanish fellowships were NYC all the way.)

So, the biology of wolves tells them something people should have already learned.... Leaders ought not to abuse their office.

Semi-derail.... I object to protraying adulterers and abusers of their offices as "wolves". Wolves are organized in one of two ways: loners and packs. Loners are solitary and have no social structure since it's just them. Packs are run by an alpha pair who has authority over the pack. When mating season comes, the alpha pair are the only wolves that breed. The biology of wolves ensures the "lesser" females usually do not go into heat, and those who do are sent on an enforced vacation until season is over. (They can then rejoin, or stay away, or form a new pack or whatever.) The males don't mate out of season, and other than the current alpha, none of them do IN season. So, in plain English, wolves are monogamous, and do NOT have sex with subordinate wolves by virtue of their office. Some corrupt leaders, on the other hand......

Mike, 5/17/04, pg-2. I added asterisks for the various products we're being peddled.

Yes, and some fiction writers make it a point to be as accurate on weapon use as possible, as well.

Good point about the likeness. It's Dr. Otto OCTAVIUS, though. Just so you know. Personally, I think he's one of many characters whose time has passed for most stories, but that's one guy's opinion. It's not like I'm following Spiderman or anything...

_It does not make one whit of difference if the women were willing or unwilling, abused or prostitutes. The point is it was FLAT OUT WRONG for so-called "Men of God" to do these things....

Rascal, you're looking for the last post on page 3, and the entirety of page 6 of this thread. Page 6 is where he tries to minimize culpability to a degree by misdirection and adding "Amazing familiarity" to an account in the gospels. That's also where he attacked Raf for calling him on that last point. (Nothing like a good personal attack to distract from the main body of a discussion.) Mind you, I don't know if, strictly speaking, he can be said to have "defended" the evildoers who abused their offices. I think he served that purpose by distracting from the main discussion, which may FUNCTIONALLY serve the same purpose while FACTUALLY doing something else.

If she doesn't, she lacks internet access. Everybody comes here.....

I suspect one of the reasons Bullinger's Greek Lexicon might be out of print is there are so many computer programs and websites that provide the same service....

It's usually a surprise to outies to find out just how good the quality of a lot of the commercially-available Christian stuff is. I already had some idea, since my original thinking was to supplement twi stuff with the best I could find OUTSIDE twi, and thus benefit from both. However, I underestimated how good the best stuff is. For example: want a concordance? A Bible Atlas? Interlinear? Lexicon? Manners and Customs of the Bible? Wilson's Old Testament Word Studies? All of those are easily purchased thru any Christian bookstore, or any good secular bookstore. They'll order it for you if it's not in stock. Bullinger's books, too-the Companion Bible, How to Enjoy the Bible, Number in Scripture, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, the Wonderful Cloud of Witnesses, and others are all in the same places-and some are viewable ONLINE, no order needed. Saw Lamsa's Bible on sale at Barnes & Noble. Kenyon's books in a Christian bookstore. I've also found books as good and better than similar efforts would have been on different subjects of interest-no relying on the skills and weaknesses of ONE team of writers or photocopiers. How about Stiles and Leonard? Where do we find their books, folks?

In terms of COMMITTING sin, that hardly forms a barrier between him and sin. The first Adam lacked this "sin nature", was theoretically-and practically- capable of sin, but it was not in his "nature" to sin. However, when tempted, he DID sin. So, freewill allows the POSSIBILITY of sinning. Angels fell for sinning as well, you know... The first Adam had a choice, sinned, and failed. The second Adam had a choice, obeyed, and succeeded.

Yeah-reality sure hit like a brick wall THERE, didn't it?

Glad2B -- last time I was on their site, they had _NOTHING_ to offer for sale. This, of course, is a change from the old days. Back then, there was little to really offer people, but there WAS plenty for sale. I don't know why they're so adamant on closing themselves off from this potentially-lucrative market when the money's been such a motivator in the past. Maybe they're just going thru the motions at this point....or maybe their biggest fear is of their goods being compared to those of other Christians right now, and looking like yesterday's news.

Imbus, pg-10, 5/14/04, 11:29pm. Well, the quick way is to quote the original post like you did, leave the html tags in (the things at the beginning and end that say 'quote'), and erase-carefully- whatever you're not referring to. I like to cite the person's name and the date/time of the post before the first html tag, just so people can go back and review the original themselves. I like Tom's idea of reviewing someone's posts yourself and making up your own mind.

Welcome to the cafe. I'd give you a few tips, but it seems you can find your bearings pretty well without me. :)-->

...which raises the question: "why have you done that?" are there vampires in your neighborhood? thinking of a carreer change? :D--> If I actually expected to USE that information, I'd know a lot more than just "a little". I know about some of that because, as an RPGer, I've read various game sourcebooks and descriptions both of legends and weapons of various types. Also, I've read some fiction involving vampire hunters here and there. None are required to conform to each others' stories or legends, BTW. Besides, EVERY monster is vulnerable to FIRE. Napalm smells like victory when fighting them.... :)-->

Isn't Shockwave the program with the dataminers? Why didn't they go with a Javascript program? JRE is free and does not use spyware....

The one that bothered me least was "gaught" as in "what to do with it after you've gaught it." The one that bothered me most was "hexegeckomai", which I thought involved a 6-sided lizard or something.

Side-note on the crossbow, from someone who's read a bit on vampire-hunting... Different weapons have different effects. A crossbow or a bow is a superior traditional method for hunting vampires, since they can be used to stake a vampire from a distance. Both of them have an advantage over even a "stake-thrower" shotgun, in that the arrow/bolt will enter the chest but not exit the chest (to stake a vampire, the stake has to stay in his chest). So, unless your vampire is vulnerable to other weapons and you have them handy, both are good. A crossbow offers several advantages over a bow, which is why it's used more often. Sounds like the movie addressed the crossbow's one drawback-the cocking of the crossbow for the next shot. Light crossbows could be levered back, but heavy crossbows used a cranequin and were cranked back into place.